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For me the leaked MacBook i5 Intel was giving away can't be a HP.
Here I've taken screenys

Original that was provided to Gizmodo
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Doesn't look like a HP to me

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i'm just glad i got my 13'' MacBook Pro at xmas, i didn't want to run the risk of being stuck with horrid intel graphics again like the x3100 in my old white MacBook. I mean I upt the ram from 4GB to 8GB it runs brilliant, better than brilliant even. I think to me graphics are more important and as far as i'm aware intel graphics cant support hardly any of the new gpu technologies found in snow leopard. I also read a few weeks back that intel's fastest graphics cards were still 2-3 times slower than the Nvidia 9400M, so that would be a bad move considering the Nvidia 9400M is a good card but it is from 2008.

To be honest though, I think the i5 will only be on the high end 15'' & 17'' as an option. I think it will still stay core 2 duo on every other line of MBP
 
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "HD capable." I'm currently using my first generation MacBook that has an Intel GMA 945 chipset to drive a 1920x1200 monitor. Aside from Flash video and games, there's nothing it can't handle. I can even play full HD H.264 video most of the time. Sure, I'd like better graphics, and I'll be upgrading to a new MacBook Pro when they're released, but I think people tend to underestimate just how powerful modern graphics chipsets are. My main reason for upgrading isn't even the graphics. It's the RAM followed by the CPU.

+1 same here, I have a Rev. C MB and the graphics are the least of my problems.
 
Either they were on the money and got a lovely notice by Apple to remove it. Or they were lazy and assumed they had the latest processors...

I'm guessing the latter. From my understanding, the parts of Intel that deal directly with Apple are *VERY* separated from the rest (and just as secretive as Apple.) The CPU guys don't directly work with OEMs, they work with OEM engineers, a few of which would work with Apple. So even the CPU designers don't know if they're product is going to be in an Apple until Apple releases it. (Obviously, in cases like the MacBook Air, they probably did.) (Many years ago, I was such an "OEM middle man" in the server division. I talked to the OEMs, then I talked to the engineers. Although even then, the "engineers" I talked to weren't the low-level hardware designers, even the ones I talked to were 'filters' for the actual hardware designers. So from OEM to actual hardware designer was at least two layers removed. Only in extremely rare circumstances was an OEM allowed to deal directly with the designer.)

If they use intel's Chips then they definitely have to use Intel's HD graphics.

As was mentioned, if they go with Arrandale, then they have to include the HD graphics, because it's a fully integrated part of Arrandale. But that doesn't mean they have to use it.

Arrandale's integrated graphics support GPU switching, just as the previous-generation GM45 did. (Which Apple did not use, favoring the nVidia 9400M.) On Windows, it all depends on the notebook OEM writing good drivers. Some can do it 'on the fly' (you do have to do a video mode change, but that happens automatically when you, say, launch a game,) others make you log out/in just like Apple, or even reboot. Hopefully Apple could get it down to being only a mode change.

Do you really need a southbridge?
I mean as a descrete chip that is?
Can the i5 be booted without an intel southbridge on the DMI bus?

Thinking build a two package system as (CPU+NorthBridge+IGP) + (Descrete GPU + Southbridge).

So the trick here is that Arrandale (which will be marketed as i7, i5, and i3, depending on the configuration,) has four 'external' connections. One is the 16 lanes of PCIe, one are the memory channels, one is the "FDI" (Flexible Display Interface, the video signal carrier,) the final is the "DMI" connection to the PCH (Platform Controller Hub, aka "Southbridge" in old-fashioned speak.) The DMI connection and FDI are not open standards. nVidia (nor AMD) can't create a chip that uses either one. Now, if you are going to go solely with external graphics, and not use the internal at all, it may be possible to just stick essentially a memory-controller-less 9400M on the PCIe connection, and force that chip to act as "Southbridge" over the PCIe connection. But then you have to share the sixteen lanes of PCIe that were meant solely for graphics with all your other peripherals like USB, SATA, and network.

You could probably get away with splitting the x16 in half, with x8 to graphics (it's still the same speed as PCIe 1.0 x16,) and x8 to the 'normal Southbridge' functions. For comparison, the previous generation of DMI (I don't know if anything has changed for Arrandale,) was the same basic speed as PCIe 1.0 x4. So if nVidia got really creative, they could just strip x2 off the x16 for 'normal Southbridge' functions (PCIe 2.0 x2 is the same speed as PCIe 1.0 x4,) and keep x14 for graphics. That wouldn't be too bad a hit.

But, I have no idea how Intel has it all configured. It would take some serious engineering, because the BIOS (or EFI) normally hangs off the Southbridge on Intel chipsets, which means the DMI connection to the processor on Arrandale. The CPU might *ONLY* look at DMI for its BIOS.

Finally, if you want to use the integrated graphics at all, you have to use the FDI connection. The idea of FDI is that the PCH can swap the display to either the CPU's internal GPU, or (via the PCIe in the CPU,) the external GPU. (At least, that's my understanding of it.)

(Extra disclaimer: I have zero inside knowledge about the inner workings of Arrandale, other than what I have read at sites like Anandtech; and I have no idea whatsoever about the 'allowed'ness of what I speak as it relates to Intel licensing. Intel legal might shoot down a DMI-less, PCIe-only 9400M just as quickly as they're trying to shoot down nVidia using DMI.)
 
i don't think the keyboard is the issue

you can just buy online for the US formatted keyboard a lot cheaper than a plane ticket :D

since the Euro and Pound are stronger than the dollar. it's probably much cheaper to buy over her. In addition, no VAT. :D
 
since the Euro and Pound are stronger than the dollar. it's probably much cheaper to buy over her. In addition, no VAT. :D
store.apple.com, entry 15" MBP is $1,699.00
store.apple.com/uk, same 15" MBP is £1,328.00
store.apple.com/fr (or de, or whatever), same 15" MBP, 1.599,00 €

VAT is ~20% in most of europe, 17.5% in the UK, prices in europe are all tax-included, as far as I know US prices tend to be tax excluded.

So if we include a 20% VAT (because I'm lazy and it's easier to add 20% than remove… whatever I'm supposed to remove) we get $2038, £1328 and 1599€

Today's stocks are £1 = $1.6282; 1€ = $1.4506

Which gives us final, VAT-included prices of:

store.apple.com $2038 (with a 20% VAT)
store.apple.com/uk $2160 (with a 17.5% VAT)
store.apple.com/fr $2316 (with a 20% VAT).

So yeah, the difference hardly covers the plane ticket if you include the VAT, if you exclude it it probably does.
 
Never. Aside from Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo has been the best mobile processor from Intel until now. Like the Core i5/i7 Quad, the Core 2 Quad generates too much heat for anyone to have expected Apple to use it in their notebooks. Obviously the Core 2 Duo has been updated many times, but it wasn't superseded until this past January 7, and Apple has been fairly on top of updates anyway.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the info! :cool:
 
I wonder if Apple has finally gone back to the silver keyboard??? I cannot tell how it is laid out from the photo, but the keyboard looks silver. I WOULD LOVE A SILVER KEYBOARD WITH ALUMINUM CAPPED KEYS! I hate hate hate the black keyboard.

The photo also appears to a show a button on the trackpad so I'm pretty sure this is not a picture of the new MBP.
 
I'm guessing the latter. From my understanding, the parts of Intel that deal directly with Apple are *VERY* separated from the rest (and just as secretive as Apple.) The CPU guys don't directly work with OEMs, they work with OEM engineers, a few of which would work with Apple. So even the CPU designers don't know if they're product is going to be in an Apple until Apple releases it. (Obviously, in cases like the MacBook Air, they probably did.) (Many years ago, I was such an "OEM middle man" in the server division. I talked to the OEMs, then I talked to the engineers. Although even then, the "engineers" I talked to weren't the low-level hardware designers, even the ones I talked to were 'filters' for the actual hardware designers. So from OEM to actual hardware designer was at least two layers removed. Only in extremely rare circumstances was an OEM allowed to deal directly with the designer.)

But the rub is that the PCIe in Arrandale isn't working properly, so it is in fact only running at PCIe1.0 x16 in the first place.



As was mentioned, if they go with Arrandale, then they have to include the HD graphics, because it's a fully integrated part of Arrandale. But that doesn't mean they have to use it.

Arrandale's integrated graphics support GPU switching, just as the previous-generation GM45 did. (Which Apple did not use, favoring the nVidia 9400M.) On Windows, it all depends on the notebook OEM writing good drivers. Some can do it 'on the fly' (you do have to do a video mode change, but that happens automatically when you, say, launch a game,) others make you log out/in just like Apple, or even reboot. Hopefully Apple could get it down to being only a mode change.



So the trick here is that Arrandale (which will be marketed as i7, i5, and i3, depending on the configuration,) has four 'external' connections. One is the 16 lanes of PCIe, one are the memory channels, one is the "FDI" (Flexible Display Interface, the video signal carrier,) the final is the "DMI" connection to the PCH (Platform Controller Hub, aka "Southbridge" in old-fashioned speak.) The DMI connection and FDI are not open standards. nVidia (nor AMD) can't create a chip that uses either one. Now, if you are going to go solely with external graphics, and not use the internal at all, it may be possible to just stick essentially a memory-controller-less 9400M on the PCIe connection, and force that chip to act as "Southbridge" over the PCIe connection. But then you have to share the sixteen lanes of PCIe that were meant solely for graphics with all your other peripherals like USB, SATA, and network.

You could probably get away with splitting the x16 in half, with x8 to graphics (it's still the same speed as PCIe 1.0 x16,) and x8 to the 'normal Southbridge' functions. For comparison, the previous generation of DMI (I don't know if anything has changed for Arrandale,) was the same basic speed as PCIe 1.0 x4. So if nVidia got really creative, they could just strip x2 off the x16 for 'normal Southbridge' functions (PCIe 2.0 x2 is the same speed as PCIe 1.0 x4,) and keep x14 for graphics. That wouldn't be too bad a hit.

But, I have no idea how Intel has it all configured. It would take some serious engineering, because the BIOS (or EFI) normally hangs off the Southbridge on Intel chipsets, which means the DMI connection to the processor on Arrandale. The CPU might *ONLY* look at DMI for its BIOS.

Finally, if you want to use the integrated graphics at all, you have to use the FDI connection. The idea of FDI is that the PCH can swap the display to either the CPU's internal GPU, or (via the PCIe in the CPU,) the external GPU. (At least, that's my understanding of it.)

(Extra disclaimer: I have zero inside knowledge about the inner workings of Arrandale, other than what I have read at sites like Anandtech; and I have no idea whatsoever about the 'allowed'ness of what I speak as it relates to Intel licensing. Intel legal might shoot down a DMI-less, PCIe-only 9400M just as quickly as they're trying to shoot down nVidia using DMI.)

On Arrandale the PCIe is split in half to begin with, so you end up with PCIe2.0 4x if you do that.
 
While theres been a lot of speculation about the MacBook Pro's and their specifications, I believe there might be a tiny bump in the road to the 27th.

Mac Mini Anybody?

If you can squeeze a i7 into that, then a quad i5 would be no problem. Except messing with apples business model.

Interesting to say, but speculation for the moment.
 
While theres been a lot of speculation about the MacBook Pro's and their specifications, I believe there might be a tiny bump in the road to the 27th.

Mac Mini Anybody?

If you can squeeze a i7 into that, then a quad i5 would be no problem. Except messing with apples business model.

Interesting to say, but speculation for the moment.

i7 Mac Mini would be perfect for me;

would be surprised is anything new on the Mini's surfaced before April / June unfortunately.
 
This was actually my first thought when I read this. What if all this hype over the tablet announcement was for nothing but the MBP refresh? With all the tablet info "leaked" so far (albeit mostly contradictory), it'd be kind of funny to watch people go ape**** if there was no tablet info at this media event.

That would be very funny... but I doubt so. Unless switching from core 2 duo to i3, i5, i7's is worth an announcement, apple has something new to present..

I agree that this upgrade might be big, but it's still nothing more than specs upgrade and apple seems to aim their big announcement toward more gizmos oriented innovations... like making the whole audience cheers like they won the lottery just because steve jobs said the human fingers are good tools.
 
In this day and age, rumors can sink a company.

Apple however are the masters of Spin and Marketing.
And yea, your right, Apple tends to do spec bumps in the middle of the night (but redoing the entire insides really isn't a spec bump) and the pull out the big Job's when announcing a new product or massive redesign.

So yea, Apple probably have either a new product to announce OR/AND a total redesign of the macbook Pro / Mac Pro models.

Either way, the end of January should hold something interesting.
Be it a Apple Tablet, iPhone or OS 4.
*Shrugs* entertaining though to discus rumors and problems that apple engineers have been discussing months ago:)
 
According to the Buyers Guide, I think we will see some new Mac Pros as well. Refreshed MBP, Mac Pro, Macbook Air and Mac Mini are enough of a reason to hold an event IMO.

Throw in some filler crap like iWork 2010 or an update to MobileMe or a useless new iTunes feature or something and you can fill 2 hours. Of course, there is also the possibility of the tablet...
 
Why? My C2D is fine for me and has been fine for all the other video pros in the world - it's not gonna change!
In 2000, the Pentium 4 was also 'just fine' for people at that time. Technology moves along and gets better, and we should take advantage of that. If you were in charge of the entire computer industry with your attitude we'd still be using the 68K or the 4004
 
it have to be one of this ones for the entire MBP line. maybe a 45W i7 for the hi end 17" BMP.

I would guess the i5 for high end 13" MBP and low end 15" MBP then a high clocked C2D for the low end 13" BMP and a 2.53 GHz C2D for the BM.

Intel® Core™
i7-620M 4MB 2.66 GHz 3.33 GHz 35W 1066/800 MHz
or
Intel® Core™ i5-540M 3MB 2.53 GHz 3.06 GHz 35W 1066/800 MHz

if not there is not going to be any point for me to buy the new one.

and of course it would need to come with a dedicated decent GPU not some Intel integrated junk. add 8GB RAM and a SSD and i am sold.


guess what it will be this specs. i am sure.. :p:p:p:p:p or not :eek:
 
What do I do???

I have bought a MBP 15" 2.53ghz and it arrived on the 12th jan. since joining this site I realise I may have made a boo boo. My refund option runs out on the 26th which I read somewhere is when the new ones should be announced.

I need to know if its going to be worth me getting a refund and then getting the new one. And to make that decision I would also need to know when they will be on sale cos I dont want to wait too long without a laptop.

Any info you guys may have would be greatly appreciated in order for me to make this decision. unfortunately im not too technical so please try and keep it relatively understandable lol

thankyou muchly in advance :D
 
i'm just glad i got my 13'' MacBook Pro at xmas, i didn't want to run the risk of being stuck with horrid intel graphics again like the x3100 in my old white MacBook. I mean I upt the ram from 4GB to 8GB it runs brilliant, better than brilliant even. I think to me graphics are more important and as far as i'm aware intel graphics cant support hardly any of the new gpu technologies found in snow leopard. I also read a few weeks back that intel's fastest graphics cards were still 2-3 times slower than the Nvidia 9400M, so that would be a bad move considering the Nvidia 9400M is a good card but it is from 2008.

To be honest though, I think the i5 will only be on the high end 15'' & 17'' as an option. I think it will still stay core 2 duo on every other line of MBP

I agree. I really doubt Apple is going to give the low end MacBook's an i5 processor when the iMac's are still using Core 2 Duo's.
 
I have bought a MBP 15" 2.53ghz and it arrived on the 12th jan. since joining this site I realise I may have made a boo boo. My refund option runs out on the 26th which I read somewhere is when the new ones should be announced.

I need to know if its going to be worth me getting a refund and then getting the new one. And to make that decision I would also need to know when they will be on sale cos I dont want to wait too long without a laptop.

Any info you guys may have would be greatly appreciated in order for me to make this decision. unfortunately im not too technical so please try and keep it relatively understandable lol

thankyou muchly in advance :D
I highly suggest you return it. If you didn't open it yet - don't. You could get a full refund. If you opened it, you are going to have to pay a restocking fee (I believe it is 15%).
 
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