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New MacBook Pro i5 Leaked

CoolHotCold said:
Thats right. While it is possible for Apple to ask Intel to remove the Intel HD graphics from the chip, its more hassle then its worth.

Especially as the GPU die also contains the memory controller, its just easier to let it go and offer a discrete graphics as a option.
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You can't remove the IGP from the processor's package. Arrandale doesn't have the PCIe and memory controller on die with the processor. They sit on the IGP's die. You would have to redesign the entire processor package and dies in order to do so. Intel isn't going to do that. There's still a minimal amount of power going to the IGP even when using discrete graphics to power the controllers.
 
wirelessmacuser said:
Sony plays it close to the vest, I have a stand alone Blu-ray player myself and it's great.

But overall the sales are sagging and I would be shocked to see Apple buy into this fading technology.
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I don't want to start a blu ray debate, so I'm just going to correct you with facts, no opinions here, so there is nothing to argue about. Blu-ray marketshare is currently at 8%, at this point in the life cycle of DVD's, they were at 4%, and back then the market was in a dire need of a new format. Blu Ray sales are up 91% since last year, and DVD sales are down 16%. Digital downloads are only 10-20% of the market.
Rogzilla said:
I dunno, they were pretty specific. They didn't just say that it was an Apple laptop or a Mac laptop or even a MacBook. They said MacBook Pro. I don't see why marketing would have made such a specific leap if that wasn't what it was.

Even if it WAS a slip up, I suspect that it was because there is a new MBP coming with those chips and thus the confusion arose.

I think this is Intel trying to cover thier mistake.
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But the picture looked more like an envy or an old MBP than the current MBP. It probably was a slip up, they meant it for the HP.
 
What about that story that the future MBPs being referenced in the OS that had them with the ATI 4500? From what I've heard it's not powerful powerful enough to be in the 15" &17". Could it be for the 13"?
 
I'm really hoping for an ATI 5xxx 1 GiB GPU option. There's already Mac support for the desktop 5970 (it has mini DisplayPort!) so this may be a good sign.

atrhd5970-3-4-hires-540x540.jpg
 
The issue is, its not just one single image in use across the regional divides.
Theres at least two different adverts I've seen,.
 
cleverman said:
I'm actually in a big need of a new laptop, I meant to get one since a few months but I wanted to wait for this update. Unfortunately, I'm leaving to Budapest to study there for the next months on monday. I just called Apple to ask if it was possible to get a Canadian keyword within Hungary and they told me it was impossible.

Do you guys see a solution to this?
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I'm currently living in Hungary and I strongly recommend to MB in US/Canada. For example normal price (Brutto (25% VAT incl.)) for MacBook Pro 15" 2.8GHz is 631 400 Ft = 3.431 USD (with today exchange rate - 184 Ft/USD).

http://store.apcom.hu/macbook-pro-15-2-8ghz-1.html

http://www.mnb.hu/engine.aspx?page=napiarfolyamok

If I could, I would have bought it in US, but to fly there only after MB is insane :D
 
I doubt this goes without saying but the Intel HD graphics support DisplayPort / mini DisplayPort.

And yeah, i belive the offering will be a ATI solution instead of a Nvidia
 
There are OS X drivers available for the 5970.

I've never seen mDP on a PC, or on any PC peripherals. :confused: When I see mDP, the first thing that comes to mind is "Mac," open standard though it is.
 
skye12 said:
The current MBP values are gonna drop like a rock when these babies hit.
A leap to a new performance plateau.
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So I have to get a brand new MBP to replace my current 17" MBP because of the better processers. :( Either I'll sell my current MBP for a new MBP or keep my MBP and buy a Tablet.
 
AidenShaw said:
No. Not true.

Apple can use discrete graphics from anyone. They don't have to use the Intel GPU that is in the CPU package.

Arrandale does not have a Northbridge - where integrated graphics usually sit.

The current 9400m systems are three chip systems: CPU+9400mNorthbridge+Southbridge two chip systems: CPU + (9400m+north and southbridge). An Arrandale with discrete graphics is also a three chip system: CPU+GPU+Southbridge.
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Do you really need a southbridge?
I mean as a descrete chip that is?
Can the i5 be booted without an intel southbridge on the DMI bus?

Thinking build a two package system as (CPU+NorthBridge+IGP) + (Descrete GPU + Southbridge).

If nVidia released and update to the 9400m that replaced the front side bus with more PCIe lanes then they could still do a two chip solution, well as you don't mind giving up the bandwidth in the DMI. Then again as the 9400m may keep its own memory controller then that would reduce demand between the two chips as well. This way apple would get a HD capable GPU, hopefully OpenCL support that the IGP intel is offering on it own can't match.

I understand nVidia have an update to the ion that does just that to work with the new atom.

Add system Improvements like Asus has done with live switching between GPU's to conserve battery life and you have a two chip solution at similar cost to current for the macbook.
 
JeromeOD said:
You're simply wrong. Many of us in the "creative" professions use huge amounts of processor power all the time. For myself, the change from C2D to core i5 will cross a crucial gap where it might be possible for me to run very large Pro Tools sessions natively in a laptop instead of buying another tower. Every time a proc speed bump happens, I can have more plugins & busses in my sessions. It makes a huge difference to me.
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Ditto.
 
MattInOz said:
Do you really need a southbridge?
I mean as a descrete chip that is?
Can the i5 be booted without an intel southbridge on the DMI bus?

Thinking build a two package system as (CPU+NorthBridge+IGP) + (Descrete GPU + Southbridge).

If nVidia released and update to the 9400m that replaced the front side bus with more PCIe lanes then they could still do a two chip solution, well as you don't mind giving up the bandwidth in the DMI. Then again as the 9400m may keep its own memory controller then that would reduce demand between the two chips as well. This way apple would get a HD capable GPU, hopefully OpenCL support that the IGP intel is offering on it own can't match.
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Two problems:
1) The memory controller on Core i5 is in the CPU package, and DDR3 packages are not designed to be connected to two controllers. Without having direct access to the RAM, the 9400m is likely to suffer a performance hit.
2) By including the 9400m (or similar) in a Core i5 package, you now have two relatively comparable graphics chipsets in the same computer. Sure, the 9400m is better than the intel integrated graphics, but the performance gap is far less than the gap between the 9400m and a dedicated chipset. I just don't see Apple putting two integrated graphics chipsets in the same computer.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "HD capable." I'm currently using my first generation MacBook that has an Intel GMA 945 chipset to drive a 1920x1200 monitor. Aside from Flash video and games, there's nothing it can't handle. I can even play full HD H.264 video most of the time. Sure, I'd like better graphics, and I'll be upgrading to a new MacBook Pro when they're released, but I think people tend to underestimate just how powerful modern graphics chipsets are. My main reason for upgrading isn't even the graphics. It's the RAM followed by the CPU.
 
I have 2 questions for you Mac pros :

- How long does it usually takes for a computer like the new MBP to be available to buy once they release it officially?

- In terms of price, when Apple will add the new processor, do you think it'll be the same or it'll only be available for higher end products?
 
cleverman said:
I have 2 questions for you Mac pros :

- How long does it usually takes for a computer like the new MBP to be available to buy once they release it officially?

- In terms of price, when Apple will add the new processor, do you think it'll be the same or it'll only be available for higher end products?
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1) Steve Jobs keynote at the end of the month should be able to tell you when it'll be available. If it is not part of the keynote, most likely it'll be a silent update next tuesday and available right away.

2) i5 is probably the default choice with i7 high end option for either 15" and 17". It is likely that 13" might get i3 or i5 but not i7.
 
kaminokage said:
I'm currently living in Hungary and I strongly recommend to MB in US/Canada.
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(sorry, somewhat long post with many variables!) i'm in a similar but opposite situation. canadian living in berlin will be buying 13" 2.53 GHz (more expensive in germany than in canada), moving up from early mac mini (1.42).

am going to be in mexico city for 7wks starting 27jan and really need to get the new machine for at least the end of a 4wk contract i'm starting tomorrow, but would prefer to get it sooner.

the work i do is text and music notation (finale software), no heavy graphics, no gaming and only periodic graphic design (photoshop, illustrator, indesign). i have a 24" screen i expect to do most work on but need portability sometimes (screen size isn't so critical in those cases).

i'm getting the impression that the particular model i will get is preferable to buy BEFORE the upgrade? i can afford to wait 2wks to buy but not really more.

or should i wait and buy in mexico (cheaper than germany), where it seems i can only get a spanish keyboard... i will continue to use a full-size keyboard when working at home so the spanish keyboard is not sooooo much of a hassle presently, but i don't want it long-term.

i was considering using the 14-day return option but i'm not sure i could buy in germany and return in mexico. how long after the release is the 14-day return policy valid?
 
i am sure apple will have an option to use i7-620m. that is the best mobile cpu at decent tdp. plus it supports switchable graphics. so macbook pro will have dedicated gpu as well.

its macbook which is a big question mark. but since there is only one, apple might just keep that with core 2 duo for a while(may be until sandy bridge releases or go with new amd cpu's releasing later this year).
 
-groovatious- said:
Just noticed something interesting. In this pic:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2010/01/500x_retail_edge_intel_macbook_pro_2.jpg

The keyboard seems to be from the original MBPs but the screen is from the new ones?
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I wonder if Apple has finally gone back to the silver keyboard??? I cannot tell how it is laid out from the photo, but the keyboard looks silver. I WOULD LOVE A SILVER KEYBOARD WITH ALUMINUM CAPPED KEYS! I hate hate hate the black keyboard.
 
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