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With that logic, the App Store "feature" of the iPhone/iPod touch back in 2008 was a gimmick too early to release because it didn't have enough apps in the first few weeks. You guys simply amaze me.

I never said it was too early to release. I said it was too early to review. I understand the reviewers want to get out their articles as soon as possible, but it doesn't make sense to review this until more apps support it.
 
The touch bar is absolutely useless, without a doubt. If you are saying it isn't, it's likely because you have purchased one of these ridiculous machines and have begun telling yourself lies in order to reduce cognitive dissonance you would otherwise face.

Nope, I don't have a touchbar mac, but I would definitely consider it. I never use the function keys other than brightness and volume. Nothing else is useful and now they're using the space for something better.
 
Nope, I don't have a touchbar mac, but I would definitely consider it. I never use the function keys other than brightness and volume. Nothing else is useful and now they're using the space for something better.

Well, if one needs to touch the bar to activate it, this makes no sense. The same result can be achieved using regular menus/buttons/sliders etc. on the main screen.
 
Previously that area of the keyboard was occupied by F keys that nobody ever uses.
Now it's occupied by a more capable Touch Bar which everyone will use.

Ergo it's useful. :cool:
 
The reviews don't lie. Apple released a brick!
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Oh really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

"A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps or gives credibility to a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization."
Congrats you proved yourself wrong. You don't know if that person has a close relationship with people at Apple or with Apple.
 
The reviews don't lie. Apple released a brick!
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Congrats you proved yourself wrong. You don't know if that person has a close relationship with people at Apple or with Apple.
Did I now? And how did I do that exactly? Tech blogs consistently receive items in advance, often conveniently release information from insiders, and have open communication channels with Apple. Even if I wasn't hyperbolic, shill is pretty damn close.
 
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No, they hated it because its a solution looking for a problem and by solving it created new problems that didn't exist before.
You mean like all the comments here? Customers (or future customers who won't admit it) looking for a problem?
 
This has been available for a really long time now. Who told you you couldn't load linux?
I can't help but believe you've misunderstood what I wrote. I know you can install Linux on a Mac, but is it true that Apple supplies official drivers for Linux installs? The article strongly implies that they do, but this is news to me.
 
i didn't see anything wrong with the F-keys. Plus no escape key is a pretty big negative. And after I played around with one in the store today, I can say that using the keyboard still beats the touchpad by a long shot. Plus it's faster.
 
It's a "gimmick" until the rest of the industry copies it next year.

It's been done on keyboards before, and with legends that don't fade away.

For that matter, decades ago the bottom line of your main display screen used to contain the current legends for the Fn keys on the keyboard just below the screen, so you could see what they changed to for the app/mode you were in.
 
"Everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler" -Albert Einstein

If it came with sensible IO, a modern CPU with 32gb ram expansion, and no price hike. Nobody would be complaining about the touch bar. But at this point in time its faults are WAY overshadowing its innovations. Little column A, lots and lots of columb B, the bad column.
 
i didn't see anything wrong with the F-keys. Plus no escape key is a pretty big negative. And after I played around with one in the store today, I can say that using the keyboard still beats the touchpad by a long shot. Plus it's faster.
The thing that should be everyone's genuine concern is, the more a button is abstracted from its purpose (in this case, a mechanical button has been made vastly more complex through the need to interface through various new layers) the more fragile it becomes - there are more things in-between that can go wrong. So what do you do if the OLED bar crashes, or doesn't light up when it should etc.? EDIT: TheFluffyDuck's Einstein quote beat me to the punch! :)

Other than that, the lack of tactile feedback may grate a little, but I'm willing to withhold judgment on that score.

Let's just wait and see.
 
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I'd like to see all these whiners and complainers on here actually go and USE the machine before talking about how terrible it is. I started out not liking it, then I went to the Apple Store and played with it for about 15 minutes. Now, I think it's a quite good laptop, with excellent battery life, great display, industry leading keyboard and trackpad, and good performance that would definitely be one of my top choices if I were going to get a computer right now.
 
Just look at the GPU.Why did they opt for AMD power guzzlers over the clearly superior NVIDIA Pascal.Also the GPUs are too weak for the asking price especially when laptops like Razer Blade with gaming GPUs in a average chassis exist
The Ars Technica review explains it actually. The Nvidia cards only support 4 displays while the AMD cards support 6. With 5K displays requiring MST right now, each 5K is essentially 2 displays. So a MBP with Nvidia would only run one 5K plus the internal display. Apple wanted to run 2 5K displays so AMD was the only option.
 
The touch bar may eventually be useful, but no escape key when editing in enacts is a real pain. Shall we get all VNC apps to create a virtual ESC for us?

Maybe in 3 years USB-c peripherals will be widely available but right now the utility of USB ports, an SD card reader, and MagSafe far outweighs the performance improvements in the new models.

It is a shame that Apple constantly feels the need to dictate instead of listening to customers.
 
All the reviews I have read/watched consider this an over priced entry level computer. They list its lack of ports, dongle-centred slow performance, sealed impossible to repair/clean internels, stupid price and Apple's spiteful must-do-it-our-way attitude to its customers. Apple now needs a touch screen, 6 core, 2 gpu, 17" all SSD, multi-ported laptop to professionally replace any desktop. And it must forget about thinness and think about proper cooling and cleaning and greed free pricing. Then Apple can call its products Professional. It's not going to happen and we can kiss goodby to all we used to admire at Apple.

Lolololol wow. You are a special one indeed.
 
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