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2H'21 means the analysts don't know if it's Q3 or Q4. If July/August had any real possibility of happening, analysts would have converged on mid-2021 or Q3.

We had people doing mental gymnastics saying, "If Kuo and Nikkei and Digitimes said 2H, it could mean July shipping and it would be launched at WWDC, right? Right??" Again, this made zero sense given analysts said 2H. They said 2H because they didn't think it was going to be early Q3. In addition, none of those WWDC theories could explain why Apple would voluntarily Osborne their existing MacBooks, which would negatively impact revenue.

Nikkei reported M2 wafer starts began in April. Digitimes said Epistar was trailing mini LED for MacBook in May. Nothing in the supply chain ever suggested WWDC.
I think we can agree to disagree on this one.

It seems that WWDC would have been the perfect time to announce new models to get them shipping by the end of July and into people’s hands by the start of the school/work year. This wouldn’t have Osborned MacBooks for more than a month, exactly what they usually do. A month from pre-orders to shipment.

Ideally, Apple would have gotten them shipping by September. But my guess is there were hardware delays due to mini-LED and the chip shortage.

I don’t ever think they were set to release so late in the year.
 
Some people REALLY bought the rumors that Apple would introduce their next CPU just 7-8 months after releasing the first one, lmao

October/November event it is.
You do realize that they need to update their entire product line in a very short timeline. They need to bring out 2-3 performance levels of chips and that process will cross 2 generations of processors. The time between each release will be more compressed than in a normal refresh cycle.
 
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I'm using a 2012 15.4" Macbook Pro. While I appreciate it, it takes about ten minutes to turn on every morning. I've been hoping for a new M-chip 16" for the last six months.


I have a late 2011 13" MBP 2.8 with 4tb SSD and 16 RAM it stays on 24/7 no problems. Seriously thinking of upgrading
to new 16" when they hit. My wallet will cry if its a lemon.
 


While leaker Jon Prosser claimed that a new MacBook Pro was coming at WWDC, Apple's keynote did not include any new hardware announcements. Instead, it is looking increasingly likely that redesigned 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models powered by a faster iteration of the M1 chip will be released in the third or fourth quarter of the year.

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A paywalled preview of a DigiTimes report today claims that Apple suppliers will begin shipments for new MacBook Pro models in the third quarter, which starts in July and runs through September. It's unclear if these shipments are referring to new MacBook Pro models as a whole or individual components for the notebooks.

"Apple is expected to roll out two new MacBook Pro models later in 2021, with shipments slated to kick off in the third quarter, according to industry sources," the paywalled blurb reads. The full report should be published by tomorrow.

It's worth noting that while there were hopes that Apple would announce new MacBook Pro models at WWDC, supply chain reports from outlets like Nikkei Asia and DigiTimes have repeatedly suggested that mass production of new MacBook Pro models would not begin until at least the third quarter of the year. This timeframe should provide Apple with an opportunity to announce the new MacBook Pro models before the end of the year.

The new MacBook Pro models are each expected to feature a brighter mini-LED display, an improved iteration of the M1 chip, and a new design with a flatter top and bottom. The notebooks are also expected to regain some ports that Apple removed from the MacBook Pro in 2016, including an HDMI port, SD card slot, and a magnetic charging port. Rumors also suggest the Touch Bar will be retired in favor of physical Fn keys.

Article Link: New MacBook Pro Shipments Forecasted to Begin in Third Quarter


This event was a nail biter for many of us who were considering or awaiting the MBP M1(x) release.

Honestly, I can't help but think that Apple was going to release at least one of the models but with delays in
manufacturing and delivery, it was probably best to wait until Sept/Oct.
That's what I'm leaning towards and someone mentioned in the forum about the iPhone 13 being potentially released
at the same time. Which will create a buying frenzy for iPhone AND MBP users. Apple will make another killing if these
products are released simultaneously.

Ideally, I was going to wait for the next line of MBP M1's but my archaic 2011 15" MBP was on its last legs and I had to trade it in. I opted for the MBP M1 16GB RAM / 512GB drive and it has been holding strong with multiple apps. I bought a 27" 4K monitor for screen estate and for a total of under $2K I have a pretty solid machine!
It would be nice to have the 32GB RAM but that will come later. Just working with the tools that I have. 👍
 
I think we can agree to disagree on this one.

It seems that WWDC would have been the perfect time to announce new models to get them shipping by the end of July and into people’s hands by the start of the school/work year. This wouldn’t have Osborned MacBooks for more than a month, exactly what they usually do. A month from pre-orders to shipment.

Ideally, Apple would have gotten them shipping by September. But my guess is there were hardware delays due to mini-LED and the chip shortage.

I don’t ever think they were set to release so late in the year.

How many students buy 14- and 16-inch Pro models? Most students are likely buying the less expensive 13-inch MacBook Air and Pro which already have Apple Silicon.

What is a "work year"? Why would it begin at the end of July? If you've worked in a large organization, you'll realize they operate based on a fiscal calendar. Purchases are timed based on that calendar. Every company uses a different calendar. Apple's fiscal calendar begins in October. Walmart's fiscal calendar begins in February. So the idea of a timed start for a "work year" makes no sense.
 
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Unfortunately, I think you are right, that it will be M1-based, M1X, or whatever Apple decides to call it. It's just that if it's delayed for one to three more months, it will be odd that their professional machines will have the same single-threaded performance as the entry-level ones released 7-10 months prior.
There's a lot of talk going around about a family of Apple Silicon chips under the codename "Jade C", slated to cover the upcoming MacBook Pros, as well as (in further variants), the higher-end machines, including the Mac Pro. Quoting from iMore (which quoted Bloomberg):

For the new MacBook Pros, Apple is planning two different chips, codenamed Jade C-Chop and Jade C-Die: both include eight high-performance cores and two energy-efficient cores for a total of 10, but will be offered in either 16 or 32 graphics core variations. The chips also include up to 64 gigabytes of memory versus a maximum of 16 on the M1. They'll have an improved Neural Engine, which processes machine-learning tasks, and enable the addition of more Thunderbolt ports, which let users sync data and connect to external devices, than the two on the current M1 MacBook Pro.​
According to the report Apple also has a new Mac mini in the works that will feature the same chip, a revamped MacBook Air, a new "low-end" MacBook Pro, and a larger iMac. All of these will reportedly feature Apple silicon "that will greatly outpace the performance and capabilities" of M1.​
Apple is also planning a new Mac Pro set to debut next year with either 20 or 40 cores:​
Codenamed Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die, a redesigned Mac Pro is planned to come in 20 or 40 computing core variations, made up of 16 high-performance or 32 high-performance cores and four or eight high-efficiency cores. The chips would also include either 64 core or 128 core options for graphics. The computing core counts top the 28 core maximum offered by today's Intel Mac Pro chips, while the higher-end graphics chips would replace parts now made by Advanced Micro Devices Inc.​

I've heard this explained in ways that sound credible (most recently by John Siracusa on the Accidental Tech Podcast), that they've made one new scalable family design, where they can use a doubled or quadrupled chip on the largest systems, and sort of half a chip (the "-Chop" version, missing some GPU cores) on the smallest systems, so I expect this is likely what we'll be seeing come September / October.
 
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I really need a new Mac Book Pro, chugging along on my mid-2015 and it's showing its age. i have an m1 mini which I love but i need portability and a higher-res monitor!
 
There's a lot of talk going around about a family of Apple Silicon chips under the codename "Jade C", slated to cover the upcoming MacBook Pros, as well as (in further variants), the higher-end machines, including the Mac Pro. Quoting from iMore (which quoted Bloomberg):

For the new MacBook Pros, Apple is planning two different chips, codenamed Jade C-Chop and Jade C-Die: both include eight high-performance cores and two energy-efficient cores for a total of 10, but will be offered in either 16 or 32 graphics core variations. The chips also include up to 64 gigabytes of memory versus a maximum of 16 on the M1. They'll have an improved Neural Engine, which processes machine-learning tasks, and enable the addition of more Thunderbolt ports, which let users sync data and connect to external devices, than the two on the current M1 MacBook Pro.​
According to the report Apple also has a new Mac mini in the works that will feature the same chip, a revamped MacBook Air, a new "low-end" MacBook Pro, and a larger iMac. All of these will reportedly feature Apple silicon "that will greatly outpace the performance and capabilities" of M1.​
Apple is also planning a new Mac Pro set to debut next year with either 20 or 40 cores:​
Codenamed Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die, a redesigned Mac Pro is planned to come in 20 or 40 computing core variations, made up of 16 high-performance or 32 high-performance cores and four or eight high-efficiency cores. The chips would also include either 64 core or 128 core options for graphics. The computing core counts top the 28 core maximum offered by today's Intel Mac Pro chips, while the higher-end graphics chips would replace parts now made by Advanced Micro Devices Inc.​

I've heard this explained in ways that sound credible (most recently by John Siracusa on the Accidental Tech Podcast), that they've made one new scalable family design, where they can use a doubled or quadrupled chip on the largest systems, and sort of half a chip (the "-Chop" version, missing some GPU cores) on the smallest systems, so I expect this is likely what we'll be seeing come September / October.

Bloomberg's description describes an M2 level design. I'm not sure how some people think this would be an M1X. What's being described by Bloomberg is a chiplet design which uses completely new packaging. It's also different in terms of the big.LITTLE ratio.
 
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If it didn’t happen at the WWDC keynote, it’ll be September/October, as usual. Why expect Apple to rush things out, off their normal schedule, at a time when part shortages are a thing? It satisfies fan boy desires but that’s about it. And don’t get me wrong I am eagerly awaiting a 16" M2-powered MBP too.

If anything, I’m a bit relieved they didn’t release the new larger MBP this week, because that makes it more likely that the one at the end of summer / beginning of fall will be “M2-based” vs a lesser “M1X-based” model now.
They have a history of announcing MBPs in July + students would be able to get them before going back to school. Sadly I don’t think the chips are going to be based on A15 architecture even if they are released in October.
 
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How many students buy 14- and 16-inch Pro models? Most students are likely buying the less expensive 13-inch MacBook Air and Pro which already have Apple Silicon.

What is a "work year"? Why would it begin at the end of July? If you've worked in a large organization, you'll realize they operate based on a fiscal calendar. Purchases are timed based on that calendar. Every company uses a different calendar. Apple's fiscal calendar begins in October. Walmart's fiscal calendar begins in February. So the idea of a timed start for a "work year" makes no sense.
Tons of students who are graphic designers, multimedia, or video/audio professionals buy these machines. Likewise, professionals who use Mac notebooks have perhaps their busiest season ramp up beginning in September after the summer vacation season. This year is going to be busier than most because of pent-up demand after the pandemic.

Oh, and I do work in a VERY large multinational in the video profession, so I understand the pent-up demand for these machines and the ebb and flow of the work therein.
 
Too late. Was very disappointed by the WWDC rumors. Just gave in and bought an M1 MBP. I’m fine with a dock from Anker and it’s not like I really need additional performance cores as a web developer.

EDIT: Hate all you want, MR members. I’m going to be happier than a kid on Christmas
Same boat. I think the new MBPs will not be the huge jump from the M1 that the M1 was from intel. Prediction - they'll be 30-80% faster than the M1 in single core. But the big deal will be more cores and the ability to address more RAM. I don't care about either. If people do, cool.
 
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There are way too many apps that do the monthly and even WEEKLY subscription crap. $5, $10, $25, all for “background images” or maybe even animated versions. Ooooo. :|
I swear, I'm going to decimate the subscription model. They'll probably kick me out of the app store and try to burn down my house.
I was really wanting these new MacBook Pros to finally be unveiled but I'm also really, really enjoying watching Prosser's massive ego get bruised up in such a spectacular way. There's always a silver lining, I suppose. 💅
So how are you able to "watch" this? Do you have his house under surveillance?
In retrospect, maybe it’s not a surprise they didn’t announce it yesterday. It would’ve been strange to release new iMacs with an M1 chip and then two weeks later announce the M1X chip.
That right there is some amazing mental gymnastics; well done!

Too late. Was very disappointed by the WWDC rumors. Just gave in and bought an M1 MBP. I’m fine with a dock from Anker and it’s not like I really need additional performance cores as a web developer.
This sounds like a great plan!
EDIT: Hate all you want, MR members. I’m going to be happier than a kid on Christmas
It's not hate. They're just like the little kids who got a lump of coal on Christmas, so they're a little bit down on Santa Claus these days.
Makes me wonder if waiting another month for a computer that doesn't even exist is going to be worth it. I have a 2011 MBP with upgraded storage and Ram. The problem is that I can't watch anything on youtube without the fan kicking on and the resolution dropping to 360p. I would get an iPad but I also need a dedicated machine to start with video editing and word processing. The 14 inch is going to be great with the proposed mini LED screen and extra ports but at the same time is a little extra screen going to be worth waiting an extra month?
Just go for the current M1 and then sell or gift it when the heavy hitters arrive.
Anyone can forecast that a product release will be later. I boldly predict the release of new MacBook Pros for April of this year!
Oh my God, there they are!
Mmmmm a whole 0.00% interest. 🤣
And so if you're in the 28% tax bracket, that is this much for your taxes:

1. One arm
2. One leg
3. Two of your firstborn's baby teeth
4. One Sam's Club sized box of diapers (for the politicians)
5. $28,000, because 28% of 0% interest is $28,000. Government math, you know. Next month, it wll be $35,000, so pay up now or India will send the IRS to arrest you at your home. Because that's a thing now.
 
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I just got my 16" MBP i7 last year. Thinking of waiting for reviews instead of jumping on release like I did with the IPP M1. Lots of productivity apps I use still not M1 native yet.
 
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SEPTEMBER

iPhones / Apple Watch

OCTOBER

M1X
iMac Pro
MacBook Pro (High End)
Mac Mini (High End)

MARCH

M2
MacBook Air Refresh
MacBook Pro

MID-END 2022

M2X
Mac Pro

- Transition complete
 
Digitimes is like Prosser, just guesses
Its clear Apple want an event just for the mac in fall close to the new macOS release
Apple will bring in one event 14" and 16" MBP, mac mini and probably the bigger imac
And for the September event, iphone,apple watch and airpods
It was easy for ‘a source’ to make that claim AFTER nothing was revealed at WWDC.
 
I didn't think they would come at WWDC, I hope they arrive soon. I'm eagerly awaiting a specced out 14" MacBook Pro and iPhone 13 Pro plus 3rd gen AirPods.

Currently rocking an iPhone 6S, 2016 MacBook, and gen 1 AirPods. All working well but it's time for a big upgrade.
 
In retrospect, maybe it’s not a surprise they didn’t announce it yesterday. It would’ve been strange to release new iMacs with an M1 chip and then two weeks later announce the M1X chip.
I disagree, for the tasks a substantial number of people use their iMacs for (especially the smaller one), the M1 is more than powerful enough.

Just as a new A-series chip doesn't replace the one that came before, the M1 won't be replaced by the next Apple Silicon chip. Apple has shown that they prefer to use previous versions of chips for new more affordable devices than create "worse" versions of new ones.
 
In my opinion, this is just conjecture for the M2 chip generation, so there is not much hope for the M2 chip to appear later this year.
 
I'm glad I sold my 16" heat monster and got a fully specc'ed M1 Air last year. Same speed, quiet, double the battery runtime. No idiot touchbar. Perfect. This constant wait for a new 13-14" MBP is silly
 
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