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The day you buy your first Mac.
I'm hoping the same thing. At the most if they make it the same shape but thinner that's fine. I just don't like the thin, asymmetrical design of the MBA. If they do make it exactly like the MBA then I will either try to find a current 15" for $1200 NIB since it will be old stock or I will look elsewhere for a laptop.
Agreed, this tells me there will not be a redesign this time and it will be very unlikely we will see an update to iWork
Not as much case as it has been. Steve has obviously been training people to actually speak at keynotes and Back to the Mac event showcased this fact nicely.
Hear hear...my only gripe is that the MBP refresh hasnt had any good rumors...no leaked spec sheets, etc. I would have loved to hear something more substantial about its design/guts....guess well just have to wait
With all the talk about complete redesign and event, just for pleasure of discussion, please kindly enlighten me.
Why is there a need for complete redesign if the design has been so good? Completely redesigning something means the previous design simply no longer acceptable, which I believe not the case for the MBP. The notion of classical beauty is something that can be enjoyed for long years without easily being bored. Not necessarily phenomenal, but classical.
Why is there a need for event if there is a complete hardware redesign (only)?
Looking back, all events from Apple so far are linked with Developers, and providers, (not end customers in particular). iPhone announcements are basically World Wide Developers Conference (i.e. iOS updates); iPad announcement is basically introducing a new platform for new apps to be developed for iPad. MBA announcement is basically Back to Mac, introducing Mac App Store.
I think the next announcement, other than iOS and MacOS related update, would be when they get a green light from publishers about the subscriptions thingy. But this seems to take awhile.
Why is there a need for complete redesign if the design has been so good? Completely redesigning something means the previous design simply no longer acceptable, which I believe not the case for the MBP. The notion of classical beauty is something that can be enjoyed for long years without easily being bored. Not necessarily phenomenal, but classical.
Why is there a need for event if there is a complete hardware redesign (only)?
Looking back, all events from Apple so far are linked with Developers, and providers, (not end customers in particular). iPhone announcements are basically World Wide Developers Conference (i.e. iOS updates); iPad announcement is basically introducing a new platform for new apps to be developed for iPad. MBA announcement is basically Back to Mac, introducing Mac App Store.
I think the next announcement, other than iOS and MacOS related update, would be when they get a green light from publishers about the subscriptions thingy. But this seems to take awhile.
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Because with time, technology moves forward, costs come down. Unibody aluminum is great, but why not innovate? Aluminum dents rather easily, check many ebay and craigslist ads, most aluminum MBPs are said to have one minor dent on the back, or a dented corner etc etc, if costs (such as liquid metal) have come down and are viable in the uses, why not?
Then in terms of the shape, if you've used the MBP long enough you'll know the edges are pretty sharp, especially when using it in bed where my forearm is lower than the MBP usually and resting it on the edge gets a bit painful.
Finally, again with technology, things get smaller, things can get more efficient. Maybe a thinner system? Maybe more or less ports etc etc. It's been three years and within that time frame a lot of things have moved forward, it can very well be time for the MBP to "move forward" as well and this in turn will mean some sort of redesign of the case to fit with the current capabilities of the technologies to be used in it.
Work's not going well now, cos I keep checking macrumours. Work's not going to be going well next week, cos I'll be playing with my new laptop
I don't want an Air, I want a Pro, but lighter...
Also, if there's no external redesign, I'd feel a bit strange getting something that's right at the verge of being seriously updated. I use my computer all day every day, only have the one laptop, but I tend to keep it for a long time--still on a 2005 iBook. So I need it to be something that has some scope.
Do you think that if there's no major update, I should wait for the next one?
I don't want an Air, I want a Pro, but lighter...
Also, if there's no external redesign, I'd feel a bit strange getting something that's right at the verge of being seriously updated. I use my computer all day every day, only have the one laptop, but I tend to keep it for a long time--still on a 2005 iBook. So I need it to be something that has some scope.
Do you think that if there's no major update, I should wait for the next one?
Work's not going well now, cos I keep checking macrumours. Work's not going to be going well next week, cos I'll be playing with my new laptop
I don't want an Air, I want a Pro, but lighter...
Also, if there's no external redesign, I'd feel a bit strange getting something that's right at the verge of being seriously updated. I use my computer all day every day, only have the one laptop, but I tend to keep it for a long time--still on a 2005 iBook. So I need it to be something that has some scope.
Do you think that if there's no major update, I should wait for the next one?
That's what I plan to do.
I predict a design change which will have a darker grey body, as hinted by the menu colour change on the website.. possibly liquid metal unibody.. in addition to this a few obvious spec bumps ie. i3/i5/Sandy Bridge in the 13" etc..
This will then set the tone for the coming year and the next generation of MBP's.. and then apple will do what they always do.. in about 6 months, once they have sold a few million of them they will do a further spec bump and begin to incorporate Light Peak etc which will have been allowed for in the new design, thus maximizing profit.
Keynotes and events will not be necessary this time with Steve's health etc.. where they probably don't want any negative press whatsoever - there will probably be an event for the next spec bump when LP is implemented in a few months at which they will probably showcase the iPad 2 at the same time.
This will then set the tone for the coming year and the next generation of MBP's.. and then apple will do what they always do.. in about 6 months, once they have sold a few million of them they will do a further spec bump and begin to incorporate Light Peak etc which will have been allowed for in the new design, thus maximizing profit.
Keynotes and events will not be necessary this time with Steve's health etc.. where they probably don't want any negative press whatsoever - there will probably be an event for the next spec bump when LP is implemented in a few months at which they will probably showcase the iPad 2 at the same time.
I think I'm becoming insane. I've been reading these rumor 3ds for days, every day, every damn minute. And when I'm not @ home I keep following the latest posts on my iPhone!
I've been waiting for a significant update of the MBP line since January, 2010.
As next year is going to be my first year at university, the last April release was too early and I was expecting a major upgrade in October.
I've been using Apple products since I was... 0 years old? My dad (a musician-producer) made me an Apple-crazy-boy since when I was in swaddling clothes!
This is going to be my very first laptop, and I hope it's going to be... well, I'm not expecting that much, I just want a significant improvement in the specs (SSDs in particular) and -perhaps- a little shape retouch.
Liquidmetal and no superdrive? Well, if they do such things, I'd be very, very happy!
But I keep my expectations low, in order not to get disappointed when they come out (but please, I've been saving my money for almost 2 years, and now I'm ready to buy the (new) top-of-the-line 15inches as soon as it shows up: Apple, release those gems ASAP!)
(soz if I made any language mistakes, but -as u can see-, I'm Italian and I'm not as cool as you English-speaking people)
I've been waiting for a significant update of the MBP line since January, 2010.
As next year is going to be my first year at university, the last April release was too early and I was expecting a major upgrade in October.
I've been using Apple products since I was... 0 years old? My dad (a musician-producer) made me an Apple-crazy-boy since when I was in swaddling clothes!
This is going to be my very first laptop, and I hope it's going to be... well, I'm not expecting that much, I just want a significant improvement in the specs (SSDs in particular) and -perhaps- a little shape retouch.
Liquidmetal and no superdrive? Well, if they do such things, I'd be very, very happy!
But I keep my expectations low, in order not to get disappointed when they come out (but please, I've been saving my money for almost 2 years, and now I'm ready to buy the (new) top-of-the-line 15inches as soon as it shows up: Apple, release those gems ASAP!)
(soz if I made any language mistakes, but -as u can see-, I'm Italian and I'm not as cool as you English-speaking people
)For a couple of reasons. First, the I/O (input/output) on all but the 17 inch is pretty inadequate given even current hard drive and SSD technology. Removing ExpressCard from the 15 inch took away the 3 gigabit external serial ATA options for connecting hard drives, a real burden for using SSD or RAID as an external and even starting to become a significant factor with single external hard drives. So either ExpressCard or an alternative, most likely the much ballyhooed LightPeak but possibly USB 3.0, needs to show up on some more computers. That said it would be impressive indeed if LightPeak comes out with this particular revision. Everything I've read pointed to later this year.
Second, the MacBook Air showed what was possible in making the computer smaller. All of a sudden 5.6 pounds for a 15 inch computer seems rather on the high side. And when you consider that the standard Apple laptop from as long ago as 1999 was just over six pounds and as long ago as 1991 was just over seven, it would seem a good opportunity for a further reduction in size and weight.
Third, certain other technologies — and here I'm especially thinking internal SSD storage and the battery —*have been moving really fast in the last several months to a year. So here's an opportunity for Apple to add value.
Finally, Sandy Bridge is a MAJOR change in processor from Intel; really, the biggest new thing in the past four years. It basically means fewer chips occupying less space and using less electricity and draining the battery more slowly while delivering faster results, all at the same time. It would seem to be an appropriate moment for a significant further refinement of the computer's design.
That is a bit like saying, "why do we need these new fandangled cars, my horse and cart works just fine", your viewpoint requires the current MBP hardware design to be perfect and it just isn't (although it is pretty damn good).
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I am not a computer expert (far, far from it) but of all the macrumours forum messages that I've read in the past few days (and, sadly, I've read A LOT) this sounds most authoritative, level-headed and convincing. Thank you.
Meiwannamacbook. Meiwannamacbook. Meiwannamacbook! Gottahavedalightpeeak. GottahaveSSD. Meiwannamacbook!
I always burn Cd's onto my computer and make copies too.
I also watch a lot of Dvd's on it.
I hope they still have the optical drive!
I think one possible compromise for this would be to package the external SuperDrive in the package.
Why are you quoting me? I definitely do not think the MBP design is perfect and want change...
Lol, mm hmm.
Like you wouldn't believe! It's 4:30AM here (Dallas) and instead of getting ready for work in half an hour, I'm checking these silly forums.
Ahahaha it was late here also but i was going to be next!