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New MacBook Pros May Not Be Compatible With Some Early Thunderbolt 3 Devices [Updated]
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That's how Thunderbolt works. Intel is to blame here. You are using unapproved devices, you deserve it. You're not the Pro Apple is looking for.
Oh none of that is convincing? But we got more online orders than ever, how bout that? Oh well you insistent customer - here's a rumor for 2017, meanwhile juggle these dongles.
Oh none of that is convincing? But we got more online orders than ever, how bout that? Oh well you insistent customer - here's a rumor for 2017, meanwhile juggle these dongles.
I had one of those Wallstreet G3's as my main machine in 1999. It was a great computer but I could never get OSX to work well on it. I had to upgrade the HDD to 20 gig and iirc do a ram upgrade as well but OSX was still very slow.
Still, I think it's a better machine than the 2016 MBP. And interesting that 17 years later you still only start at 256gig of storage with apple.
I missed the slower wifi. What's the story with that's?
Again, my question about most everything for this release.... How is the average consumer supposed to know?
Is Apple now expecting its customers to be experts in chipset compatibility? (Remember, these incompatible docks were already on the market when Apple released its hardware)
Whatever happened to, "it just works"?
I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you never even typed on the keyboard as of yet.
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Hey, stop ruining the circle jerk!
Apples next product? Apple releases new $75 TB3 to TB3 dongle for Ti chip compatibility.
The TI parts that Plugable is pointing to is the USB-C power controller and data mux. The TPS65983 part specifically calls out "Thunderbolt 3" as an application, while the TPS65982 part that Plugable is using does not. The older part mentions TB (not specifically TB3 though) in a few places related to their sideband use data pins.
I haven't gone through and taken a detailed look at what exactly is different, but there's a reason that TI rev'd this part and I'm guessing whatever the reason for that revision was is also the reason Apple doesn't want it on their bus.
I haven't gone through and taken a detailed look at what exactly is different, but there's a reason that TI rev'd this part and I'm guessing whatever the reason for that revision was is also the reason Apple doesn't want it on their bus.
I'm sure that 98.5% of the people who are angry here do not even have a single thunderbolt 3 device either.
Everyone is throwing a temper tantrum because they are already so angry about this macbook "pro", so any new bad news just adds to the pile. This laptop is a fantastic macbook "air" upgrade, unfortunately at a macbook "pro" price. And we are left still waiting for an actual "pro" upgrade.
There are various different things that have everyone fuming. For me personally, it's the 16GB RAM limit. I've had 16GB RAM in my 2012 mbp since 2012 (bought it with 4GB, immediately upgraded to 8GB with aftermarket parts (cheaper than just buying it with 8GB in the first place, and put the 4GB into my mum's laptop). Then had a project requiring a windows VM running Visual Studio, so had to upgrade to 16GB (and put the 8 in my mate's laptop that was struggling with his VMWare - he sure was one happy chappy about this magic fix)). As it happens, I don't *currently* actually need more than 16GB, but I imagine I very well might sometime in the near future, and thus the latest macbook "pro" is simply a no buy for me. End of story. I am now contemplating upgrading my 2012 with an SSD (it goes fine without it, but occasionally spins, so it could be nice. If I do it will be 2TB from OWC, but it's $700 for something I don't *need*, so I'm procrastinating). I've also scoured the nets for a good hackintosh option, but have been frustrated by every single decent 15" laptop having a number pad that offsets the keypad to left of center, thus rendering it ridiculous to use on my lap, which I do a lot of. And forget about Windows, that's a torture I can't contemplate compared to the magic of OSX. Gah, world of frustration. So yes, temper tantrums will be ongoing, my friend.
Reading the "update", it sounds like it's just disabling the device in software, which seems like something that might be patchable, e.g., using faked hardware IDs, no? Having built a few Hackintoshes over the years it seems like a similar "problem" to that of getting other "unrecognized" controllers to work...
I'm actually interested in whether or not it is just this chipset and, if so, why? This isn't even really bad news as much as a story that we don't know the details of. If it isn't only this chipset, what changed in the certifications/specs/requirements?
The new 2016 MBP will be a much better and more user friendly computer to own a year or two from now when all the TB3 incompatibility dust settles.
That adapter may be doing something fishy—potentially leaking enough EMF to disrupt wifi, or causing a problem with the TB bus itself. He should have tried a different adapter, for one. Also, once the touchbar versions are out he could plug it in on the other side, which is a separate bus, and see if the problem is still there.
As long as it isn't a hardware problem, Apple could potentially fix it in an update.
New Macbook Pro, Chinese USI WIFI chipset, 2x2 streams, 867Mbps
Previous Macbook Pro, US Broadcom WIFI chipset, 3x3 streams, 1300Mbps
I think this is getting closer:
"The TPS65983 will have an updated FW interface and an improved reset behavior for Two Port Alpine Ridge Systems."
"The TPS65983 is intended for Thunderbolt 3 device makers only." (also here)
Reset problems on a TB3 bus sounds like the bug. It's been a while since I looked at the Thunderbolt specs, but does the system do a bus reset each time a new device is attached to the bus? If so, that suggests that anything based on the older part could lock up the bus...
This sounds like a hardware problem, and not an Apple hardware problem. Plugable tried to use a USB part for a Thunderbolt 3 device and it didn't pass muster.
"The TPS65983 will have an updated FW interface and an improved reset behavior for Two Port Alpine Ridge Systems."
"The TPS65983 is intended for Thunderbolt 3 device makers only." (also here)
Reset problems on a TB3 bus sounds like the bug. It's been a while since I looked at the Thunderbolt specs, but does the system do a bus reset each time a new device is attached to the bus? If so, that suggests that anything based on the older part could lock up the bus...
This sounds like a hardware problem, and not an Apple hardware problem. Plugable tried to use a USB part for a Thunderbolt 3 device and it didn't pass muster.
Thats why they havent lowered prices on the mb2015. They know people would buy them instead. Garbage.
Don't forget the dongles!
Unless you're a Cleveland fan
So is Apple going to wait until the end of Intel's development cycle to release the next chipset? That is, is the rMB going to have to wait until next fall for Kaby Lake when everyone else is moving their ultraportables to Cannonlake?
What are you doing? Injecting actual information in this thread, between all the whining.
Actually the comment by Menno87 is very important--the TB3 incompatibility is related to software or a kernel extension and thus is Apple's fault!
Do not blame Plugable; blame Apple!
It also worked fine (same adapter) on a 2015 MBP. There's something off about the 2016 mbp's for sure.
When the rMBP was launched, it was full of praises. When the Late 2016 MBP was launched, it's full of bad news. What happened Apple
Don't forget the dongles!
Unless you're a Cleveland fan
So is Apple going to wait until the end of Intel's development cycle to release the next chipset? That is, is the rMB going to have to wait until next fall for Kaby Lake when everyone else is moving their ultraportables to Cannonlake?
I would imagine so but Cannonlake won't even be released in anything above 15w and, once again, will singularly fail to improve IPC so I don't see it as being a big issue.
Is there anything good about these MacBooks? expect that they are almost sold out as they said?
The way things are going it will also be THE MOST RETURNED MACBOOK as well. How do you like that Schiller.? Maybe a little humility is in order around here. My 2014 MBP works great. Holding on to that bad boy.
Bizzare imaginary RANDOM CAPS conversation with an Apple executive. Nothing weird about that.