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It amazes me how often I'm hearing 'lied'

A number of people. It's either people who don't own one, or who are returning it, probably because they never planned on keeping it. Funny.

Because if you have one, and you are comfortable with the cost, you wouldn't be saying these things.
 
I don't think it was ever useful. Apple should communicate the limitations better. I think we can all agree on that. We can also agree that the display is just amazing.
 
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Apple should communicate the limitations better. I think we can all agree on that.
This. They always have not and always will not. Safari not compatible with Promotion, and Chrome is when in a virtual machine? My goodness. But asking them for total disclosure ain't gonna happen. Its more like they release stuff, and then patch it.

We will see an update for Safari pretty soon, I'm guessing.
 
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They didn't lie, they just hid the truth and knew what customers would look at. No one reads the fine print but that's not an excuse to drive up sales.

-Lied about display brightness
-Lied about contrast ratio

Feel kinda bummed but oh well, it's apple.
So they didn’t lie, they just….errrr….lied? ?
 
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Damn I didn't know about that.
I also was gonna buy it for outside too and now I feel misled. :/
Yea, it sucks to see. It's just another incremental update but I do hope they bump up the max nits for normal (SDR) content soon.
 
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Apple released a program for owners of the new 14" and 16" macbook pros.

They are offering complementary French Cries and Cheese, to go with all the wine-ing....
 
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I really don't care if they lied or not. Shipping a far heavier, bulkier and noisier laptop after 5 years with absolutely no difference in brightness is the scandal here. Doesn't anybody ever work outside in California? It seemed to be the far better option many times during the pandemic but was just impossible due to limited brightness.
 
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I really don't care if they lied or not. Shipping a far heavier, bulkier and noisier laptop after 5 years with absolutely no difference in brightness is the scandal here. Doesn't anybody ever work outside in California? It seemed to be the far better option many times during the pandemic but was just impossible due to limited brightness.
This comparison just shows that you don't have a clue what you are even talking about.
This display offers native Retina resolution (2x), has deep blacks and an amazing contrast, supports HDR with a max of 1600nits and has ProMotion. Yeah, it seems like the display 5 years ago..
 
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There is absolutely none when it comes to real work. I would suggest to get a big OLED for watching HDR movies anyway.
While I applaud Apple's efforts to make the Macbook a better movie screen, I really think they did a great disservice to anyone who was hoping to have a better workhorse in more scenarios.
 
There is absolutely none when it comes to real work. I would suggest to get a big OLED for watching HDR movies anyway.
While I applaud Apple's efforts to make the Macbook a better movie screen, I really think they did a great disservice to anyone who was hoping to have a better workhorse in more scenarios.
I have a big OLED and enjoy Dolby Vision and HDR, but it is really great to be able to watch movies on my 14" MacBook Pro. There are times where I am not using the TV, so the laptop is more than enough for watching a movie. I disagree that Apple did anyone a disservice, just because the brightness of SDR content is at 500 nits, which at least in my eyes and is very good. I don't know what sane person would want to use such an expensive laptop outside, under direct sunlight. This would be the only case where the 500 nits would be a problem. At the end of the day, people express their opinion with their wallet, so it doesn't matter what we say here in this forum.
 
There is absolutely none when it comes to real work. I would suggest to get a big OLED for watching HDR movies anyway.
While I applaud Apple's efforts to make the Macbook a better movie screen, I really think they did a great disservice to anyone who was hoping to have a better workhorse in more scenarios.

No, OLED TVs don't get bright enough for "real HDR" (might change with next gen OLED TVs). A backlit TV is still the way to go for the living room. There are even mini led TVs giving you almost 2000 nits for HDR and over 1000 nits for SDR content.


For all of those "colors would look weird with 1000 nits SDR because mini led" talkers. It already exists.
 
For anyone whose job does not amount to tricking people for a living, the most straightforward understanding of the phrase “up to 1,000 nits sustained brightness” is that if you were to set the device to 100% screen brightness (since it’s a variable setting) it would be 1,000 nits.

I wouldn’t even consider it debatable, honestly. Some people maybe need to take a look in the mirror.

If you can get 1000 nits all the time, why even use 'up to'?

'Up to' means you only achieve those numbers in specific circumstances.
 
If you can get 1000 nits all the time, why even use 'up to'?

'Up to' means you only achieve those numbers in specific circumstances.

Because it doesn't only depend on the screen technology and specs, but also on the image being displayed. 100% white image = 1000 nits, 30% white image (dark grey) = 300 nits.
 
No, OLED TVs don't get bright enough for "real HDR" (might change with next gen OLED TVs). A backlit TV is still the way to go for the living room. There are even mini led TVs giving you almost 2000 nits for HDR and over 1000 nits for SDR content.


For all of those "colors would look weird with 1000 nits SDR because mini led" talkers. It already exists.

Just bought that to replace an oled tv that went bad.
 
It's just sad at this point to see Apple getting slaughtered by some random ugly PC laptop due to the Macbook Pro's inferior SDR brightness.
 
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lol you didn't even watch the video, the mbp max slaughtered that 3080 RTX
You and I have VERY different views of slaughtered. Also, it's ONE compatible game...choose a game where the Mac has to emulate. Since that is most of them.
 
Another one for ya. At 5:10, reviewer says these get “up to” 1000 nits peak brightness for “regular use” and then “up to” 1600 nits for HDR content.



I believe he responds to comments that he now understands the mistake. But now his source for 500 nits is just YouTube comments, where is it officially from Apple.

If even someone running a YouTube channel, whom should be at least be a little more familiar with tech than your average consumer, still got it wrong, maybe there’s something misleading or poorly done in the marketing from Apple, whether accidental or on purpose.

I ordered the 16 during the event, to make sure I didn’t miss the first ship dates, all while working, taking calls, missing parts of the presentation, plus other chaos happening around me.

I recall excitement to see the XDR slide, which was the icing on the cake that finally got me to order ASAP. Thing is, I never followed detailed reviews of a $5k display prior to this, nor the iPad Pro XDR, I solely went off the new MacBook Pro marketing materials that completely omitted SDR nits. With mini-LED type displays being relatively new tech and not common, I was not going to assume anything and simply wanted a clear answer from Apple, not random articles making claims before any had been delivered to consumers.

Sadly, the damage has been done, we now have threads like this plus confusing launch reviews that don’t test for SDR, expect for a notebook site that was unknown to some users. Or you just have reviews say 500 nits for SDR, but no source, did they measure it, did they compare it visually to an old laptop, did Apple reach out and tell them?


It’s not going to be clear until Apple lists it on their own site for SDR
 
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