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New MacBook Pros only reach 500 Nits on non-HDR content, measured by Notebookcheck

petvas said:
Of course I know. You probably don't.
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Sustained brightness means the display itself is capable for extended periods. So it’s clear that you don’t when you said it can’t be done.
Now Apple may have their reasons for not letting it go beyond 500 nits but you sound ignorant when you said “it was never possible with this display”.
 
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OhMyMy said:
Sustained brightness means the display itself is capable for extended periods. So it’s clear that you don’t when you said it can’t be done.
Now Apple may have their reasons for not letting it go beyond 500 nits but you sound ignorant when you said “it was never possible with this display”.
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It was never possible because it was not designed for it.
 
petvas said:
It was never possible because it was not designed for it.
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And you know this how? Unless you have insider info, you are just guessing, and people are calling you out.

Apple specs are 'sustained' 1000 nits, which is pretty clear. That's why this thread exists. Why can't we burn out out retinas if we want to? It's a choice thing.
 
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derdante said:
If a display can output 1000 nit HDR it can output 1000 nits SDR as well.
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It can but that doesn’t mean it should. Playing all content at 1600 nits would reduce the life of the display and is a major strain on the processor. That’s why they only peak the brightness for HDR content which typically doesn’t last beyond a couple hours.
 
white7561 said:
Have you guys seen the new Twitter video? On SDR content (500nits) when you hover a flashlight in front of the camera/sensor. It increases the brightness even more. Which is prob more than 500nits (prob need auto brightness enabled. But idk. My MBP hasn't come yet)
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NotebookCheck says they tried that and it still didn't get the 14" display over 500 nits for SDR.

I haven't kept track. How many people here or reviewers elsewhere have had trouble seeing the new displays out in the sun?
 
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flapflapflap said:
if true, this would be huge.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1453088612627750918
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This is most likely why as I said in my previous post, my 14 inch is a lot clearer and seems brighter in my garden when compared side by side to my M1 MBP. I have no way to measure the display nits but the difference is very clear.

Maybe i’ll get some photos or videos to demonstrate it here when it’s not night time
 
Macbook Pro 14 manually set to max brightness, and as you can see holding the flashlight to the ambient light sensor causes the screen to go even brighter than max brightness.

This is most likely why this 14 inch seems clearer & brighter to me in my garden compared to the m1 MBP when they’re both set to max brightness.

 
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Kylo83 said:
Exactly this is what I’ve been saying apple are lying to us, promotion is broke hdr isn’t any better than the intel ones, speakers are even worse no treble highs and the brightness is the same as intels, I tried playing hdr and the iPad Pro is nice but this MacBook is same as older ones
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- Promotion is not broken, it works great (just tried it in store), it’s a bug in Safari. Unfortunate, but it will be fixed. Elsewhere it’s great.

- HDR is not even close to Intel ones. HDR is way brighter and punchier, it’s ridiculous. It actually beats my LG OLED in HDR. And, also, blacks are true blacks.

- I don’t know what you’ve been watching, but HDR is the same like on iPad Pro M1

I don’t know about the speakers as I could only compare to my 2016 MBP, but judging by the fact that three of the four things you said are definitely not true, I can assume the fourth one isn’t either.
 
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petvas said:
That doesn't answer my question about HDR TVs.
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Man, do you know how to even read at all?
I clearly said already maintaining their peak 1600 nits brightness all the time would cause it to burn out and is quite a bit of strain on the processor. It’s a deliberate limitation by the manufacturers to have the TVs last. It’s kinda like asking ”why do you need a seat belt in a car?”. It runs without a seat belt just fine. It’s there as a safeguard.
 
OhMyMy said:
Man, do you know how to even read at all?
I clearly said already maintaining their peak 1600 nits brightness all the time would cause it to burn out and is quite a bit of strain on the processor. It’s a deliberate limitation by the manufacturers to have the TVs last. It’s kinda like asking ”why do you need a seat belt in a car?”. It runs without a seat belt just fine. It’s there as a safeguard.
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That could be the case. In any case the display of the MacBook Pro is really good, so the whole thread is really just typical for a forum. People like to complain about everything and are never happy.
 
petvas said:
That could be the case. In any case the display of the MacBook Pro is really good, so the whole thread is really just typical for a forum. People like to complain about everything and are never happy.
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Happy people just enjoy their devices. If not for the complainers you wouldn’t know about the AirPods Pro static crackling issue. And Apple would’ve never initiated an exchange program.
 
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ponzicoinbro said:
What level do dumb is this?

Non-HDR content isn’t supposed to be seen at very high nits otherwise color becomes oversaturated and bright areas of images and videos become blown out.

A typical professional Photoshop user or SDR video content producer uses under 500 nits/candelas. For print and poster work anywhere between 120-200.

A display like the MBP and others who use micro LED and OLED adjusts to the content and that’s the correct way to do it.
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The higher brightnesses would be great for outdoor use. Additionally, Apple could very easily come up with a way to highlight the fact that choosing a brightness past a certain point sacrifices colour accuracy.

I just made some quick mock-up to show what I mean, and for sure it's not super elegant but I'm not a designer so I'm sure Apple could come up with something nicer
 

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I wonder, how many people do really use their laptop outside and especially under direct sunlight? I cannot imagine a lot of use cases.
 
aevan said:
My mistake. I honestly thought I saw it. Ok, then, yeah, they definitely should've mentioned it.

I still think this is a non issue and this forum is just looking for things to pissed at. From the notch-crisis that seems to be winding down now that people actually got to use their MacBooks, to this. No one advertises SDR brightness, because SDR content is mastered at 300 nits anyway. I really don't get it why everything is this shattering catastrophe in this place, I can only assume it's some sort of inner justification mechanism.

Still, it was my mistake, I genuinely remember seeing it in Tech Specs, so my mind must be playing tricks with me. I apologize, I should've checked before I wrote that.




It was an honest mistake. But sure, call me a liar. You're just a nice person, aren't you?
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I love everything about this MacBook except for the fact that Apple didn’t make that particular spec clear enough to avoid confusion. Even I don’t get the notch issue but yes, it can be subjective and distracting to some. Chunky looks are again subjective more or less. I don’t care since I know they’re the exact thickness (hairline).
 
I can also confirm that when on max brightness, the 14 inch does get the screen nits boosted when you directly shine a flash into the FaceTime cam. Seems quite noticeable amount of brightening, that dims again to the default max brightness a second after the flash turns off.

I have no way to measure the amount of actual delta in nits, but the effect is quite obvious. Best rough guess would be maybe 100 nits (similar to the difference you would see between the max brightness of M1 Air and M1 13" MBP, I have both of those around). Definitely no where close to 1000 nits, but there is some further brightening.

Have only had the laptop since yesterday, so haven't been able to test in sunlight yet (Today in NYC it's basically mostly clouds)
 
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