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So just because you don't have any issue means others don't either? That's absurd.
He made an unsubstantiated assertion as to the design/quality flaws relating to 1st generation products, of which he provided zero evidence when compared to later iterations. The 1st gen rMBP had no widespread design flaws, nor did the iPad Pro, nor did the 6+ (unless you consider it succumbing to attempts to bend it a flaw). Way to miss my point, and way to expect me to need to prove a negative. You're amazing.
 
price cut by what $100?
200 or no deal.
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He made an unsubstantiated assertion as to the design/quality flaws relating to 1st generation products, of which he provided zero evidence when compared to later iterations. The 1st gen rMBP had no widespread design flaws, nor did the iPad Pro, nor did the 6+ (unless you consider it succumbing to attempts to bend it a flaw). Way to miss my point, and way to expect me to need to prove a negative. You're amazing.
I said it concerns not only issues, but performance and feature trade offs as well as price. learn to read.
 
Aware of the fact that some people lose their **** when it concerns Apple and reason is thrown out of the window? Yes, i'm aware.
Yeah, anyone who has bought into the Apple ecosystem will have a love hate relationship with it. I'd have to say it's largely good stuff we get from Apple, but this thread is worthy because it addresses Apple's most salient feature in it's MBP - The Most Over Priced Apple Laptop Ever - made even more obvious in a low inflation and basically depressed economic environment. That's not unreasonable to complain about. Apple stuff is cool, but not that cool. It's good, but not that good. I do sort of hope Apple falls on its face on this and maybe goes back to its roots a bit. The uncompromising quest for product over profit has been what differentiates it from the competition, but there is no way the price justifies the R&D that went into the new MBP lineup, unless they expect only to sell a very few. In that case they might be worth buying for collectable value.
 
I'd be doing same as you. Kissing ass and apologising. Luckily i know better.
Except you've provided nothing of substance, while ignoring all the benefits that this new machine offers. Well done you, and bravo for misusing and not grasping the meaning of a full third of your previous comment. You're a delight.
 
Yeah, anyone who has bought into the Apple ecosystem will have a love hate relationship with it. I'd have to say it's largely good stuff we get from Apple, but this thread is worthy because it addresses Apple's most salient feature in it's MBP - The Most Over Priced Apple Laptop Ever - made even more obvious in a low inflation and basically depressed economic environment. That's not unreasonable to complain about. Apple stuff is cool, but not that cool. It's good, but not that good. I do sort of hope Apple falls on its face on this and maybe goes back to its roots a bit. The uncompromising quest for product over profit has been what differentiates it from the competition, but there is no way the price justifies the R&D that went into the new MBP lineup, unless they expect only to sell a very few. In that case they might be worth buying for collectable value.

Absolute hysterical babble. And if a $300 price increase is that unpalatable to you, then you have other issues you need to be addressing before even considering a new work machine.
 
Well I love my new MacBook Pro and the possibility of the price being lowered next year changes absolutely nothing about how I feel about it right now. I figured Apple would drop the price of the computer at some point.
 
Yeah, anyone who has bought into the Apple ecosystem will have a love hate relationship with it. I'd have to say it's largely good stuff we get from Apple, but this thread is worthy because it addresses Apple's most salient feature in it's MBP - The Most Over Priced Apple Laptop Ever - made even more obvious in a low inflation and basically depressed economic environment. That's not unreasonable to complain about. Apple stuff is cool, but not that cool. It's good, but not that good. I do sort of hope Apple falls on its face on this and maybe goes back to its roots a bit. The uncompromising quest for product over profit has been what differentiates it from the competition, but there is no way the price justifies the R&D that went into the new MBP lineup, unless they expect only to sell a very few. In that case they might be worth buying for collectable value.

I use only Apple products currently, but i don't buy everything all the time. If i see i'm being ****ed i'm not going to give in. I have 6S Plus, 7 Plus, 2014 rMBP base model and Time Capsule. All good devices with reasonable prices except iPhone, but Android is too much management in OS X environment, so i went with iPhone.
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Except you've provided nothing of substance, while ignoring all the benefits that this new machine offers. Well done you, and bravo for misusing and not grasping the meaning of a full third of your previous comment. You're a delight.
No benefits for me. Performance is about the same, battery is probably going to be worse on a new one and i have better expansion without any dongles or dock. Display is already pretty damn good. It offers very little for a very fat price increase and therefor can't be justified.
 
While a lot of people do think that Apple did a lousy job with these products, it IS an upgrade and it IS better than before. Moving towards USB-C and adding the touch bar is again a major step forward. I think Apple would also hope Intel and other chipmakers would hurry up with their plans. The chip market seems to be struggling to be innovative enough. Also the promises around EUV: although interesting, can they keep their promises and in the end: when will we as end-consumers actually benefit from their plans or are they still 'milking' old technologies.
 
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This "leak" is a thank you to all the people on MacRuomrs and similar forums who have been highlighting the shortcomings of last week's announcements.

Visited two Apple stores yesterday. Both had the new 13" MBP without the Touch Bar in stock, and neither of them had had a collection or a sale. Also visited a department store where they had run out of the old 15" MPB, selling all their stock in the two days after the keynote.

Am told that post-keynote orders are running at under a fifth of projections; described as an "self-inflicted disaster".
 
This is just getting ridiculous now with all these Intel architecture plans. Cannon Lake. Kaby Lake. Scabies Lake. Lake of Chicken Pox. Now Coffee Lake (aka this lake sponsored by Starbucks)?

Apple: make a processor already and stop dealing with Intel.

Side note: not regretting at all that I bought a 2015 rMBP AMD 5 months ago...these new MBP's are a disaster.
 
While a lot of people do think that Apple did a lousy job with these products, it IS an upgrade and it IS better than before. Moving towards USB-C and adding the touch bar is again a major step forward. I think Apple would also hope Intel and other chipmakers would hurry up with their plans. The chip market seems to be struggling to be innovative enough. Also the promises around EUV: although interesting, can they keep their promises and in the end: when will we as end-consumers actually benefit from their plans or are they still 'milking' old technologies.
It's marginally better, but that's not the problem. It's is marginally better at a much higher price which makes it unjustifiable.
 
If they updated the Retina MacBook to 16GB RAM, it might very well be the best Macbook available in shop. I'm sure it would significantly hurt sales for the rest of MacBooks, Pro included.
 
Most reactions, except the usual 'pr', were negative about the new rmbps.

I'm really curious, are they panicking at Apple now, rolling their eyes convinced they know better, or just ignoring everything and swimming in cash.
 
Apple: make a processor already and stop dealing with Intel

I love how people think this is so easy that Apple could just hop into it. Intel are and have been the leading company at shrinking microarchitecture for decades. They have slowed down because.....its hard to make 10nm microcircuits. Apple would need 40 years to catch up
 
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I love how people think this is so easy that Apple could just hop into it. Intel are and have been the leading company at shrinking microarchitecture for decades. They have slowed down because.....its hard to make 10nm microcircuits. Apple would need 40 years to catch up
Or start using multiple lower performance cpus.
 
Anyone remember when the iPhone was first released, and was ghastly expensive.... and then some months later went way down in cost? I imagine this is going to be similar to that.
not this time. it was 1st product and now its not...
 
I've recently put the 2TB Samsung Evo SSD in my 2012 i7 MacBook Pro (16GB memory) and it flies! I agree battery life could be better but the machine is still more than performing well after 4 years. You doubt you could say that about your average (even hi-end) Windoze machine!
Yeah, because SSD's make Macs faster than Windows PCs. Right. :rolleyes:
 
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Here we go! "Why I'll wait for the next MB Pro begins!"

You sound a bit sarcastic, but wouldn't it be a legit reason given the hefty price tag of the 15"? I mean it's not like the new MBP are "almost perfect" and those delaying purchase are quibbling at the edges. The 16GB limit -- non upgradable, is a plausible show stopper for anyone using RAM hogging apps like PS or some video fx plug-ins. It's not like, "I'm going to wait until Apple makes a gold laptop. Also, based on the benchmarks of the new MBPs that have been released the performance next to last year's model is hardly a huge leap.
 
I use only Apple products currently, but i don't buy everything all the time. If i see i'm being ****ed i'm not going to give in. I have 6S Plus, 7 Plus, 2014 rMBP base model and Time Capsule. All good devices with reasonable prices except iPhone, but Android is too much management in OS X environment, so i went with iPhone.

You see, I just don't believe you do own those Apple products. Because, you see, the technologically literate see the 2014/15 rMBP to be mediocre mediocre and overpriced, especially when compared to the first generation release, and the idea of buying something as generic and overpriced as a time capsule genuinely makes me laugh. Based on your comments, you honestly seem to be quite ignorant as to the technical aspects of hardware in general.

No benefits for you? I honestly don't believe you're knowledgeable enough to make that judgement, even if it is relating to your own requirements. The quality of life improvements in the new MBP are significant, and the inclusion of four full-speed TB3 ports is groundbreaking, which opens up possibilities that simply could not be entertained with previous iterations. I will now be running both of my 27" 1440p 144Hz monitors off a single port, a USB + gigabit adapter (highly mobile) off another single port, and the other two for whatever other reasons I see fit at the time, such as an external GPU or high speed storage solution. If I need more, I can daisy chain, without any performance degradation.
If I'm leaving the house, I'll take at most two adapters (the USB C multimedia adapter and USB + ethernet adapter), that's it. This new machine will allow me to streamline my workflow on OS X like never before, and you, and others like you, choose to pollute every single thread that I've read with ill-informed regurgitated proforma and whining over a contextually minor price increase, swearing that this is the worst release ever. It's boring.

Now, I mean this sincerely; educate yourself on the capabilities and qualities of the products you're so thoroughly condemning, instead of just rehashing EVERY SINGLE DONE-TO-DEATH cringe-worthy whinge.
 
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A 16GB base model w/ 512MB SSD and the option to upgrade to 32GB would be more palatable at the $2400 price point. Hopefully Apple is just drawing out the early adopter money with this current model and we can get back to reality next year.
 
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