New MacBook Pros Said to Launch in 2017 With Price Cuts and Up to 32GB of RAM

[fpsBeaTt]

While a lot of people do think that Apple did a lousy job with these products, it IS an upgrade and it IS better than before. Moving towards USB-C and adding the touch bar is again a major step forward. I think Apple would also hope Intel and other chipmakers would hurry up with their plans. The chip market seems to be struggling to be innovative enough. Also the promises around EUV: although interesting, can they keep their promises and in the end: when will we as end-consumers actually benefit from their plans or are they still 'milking' old technologies.

Although I disagree with a couple of points you've made, I'm giving you a thumbs up and congratulatory pat on the back, for actually not making an entirely obnoxious and negative post. I mean that, with zero sarcasm. It's refreshing to see.

Yes, I can agree that the lack of a 32GB option irks me (I'll just have to limit my work on large databases to my desktop), and after hours of research I STILL can't understand why they didn't do it. They're using LPDDR3, and even the dual cores support up to 32GB. The only thing I can think of is that they don't offer 2GB RAM modules yet (because at least with the previous generation, they had 16 RAM chips), because the controller excuse makes zero sense, and I can't believe Apple would screw themselves by not even offering an upgrade option.

Other than that, this was a stellar release. Huge performance, quality, and portability improvements across the board concerning storage, graphics, monitor, speakers, keyboard, trackpad, and battery, and that's not even mentioning the doors that adding four full speed thunderbolt 3 ports not only blows open, but obliterates.

 

[appeLappe]

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Am told that post-keynote orders are running at under a fifth of projections; described as an "self-inflicted disaster".

Who told you?

Most reactions, except the usual 'pr', were negative about the new rmbps.

I'm really curious, are they panicking at Apple now, rolling their eyes convinced they know better, or just ignoring everything and swimming in cash.

Yes, that's an interesting question.


It will be really exiting to read the biographies of the board members of Apple in say 10 years. I’m quite sure that several of them are not happy with the way they have killed the Macs. It’s not a fair comparison to look at the revenue charts and say that “look, all revenue for Apple comes from IOS devices”, because if they only put a minimum effort into the Macs, the sales of the Macs would be multiplied several times.


Who gave Tim the right to destroy Apples legacy like this?

 

[Workerbee Redux]

If I'm reading this I recently doesn't the article say MacBooks and not MacBookPro's?

Yeah, it's going to be fun when the MacBook has more RAM than the MBP.

 

[bbplayer5]

The school district where I work recently dropped all products made by Apple due to cost. We switched to ChromeBooks pretty much across the board and next year, teachers will follow suit. Did Apple give up on education? We can get 8 CBs for the cost of one MacBook pro . For a district that used to be 90% MAC, this has been a huge difference.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

Apple cooperated with LG and made that screen. It was driven mostly by Apple

But clearly not "designed in California..." Reminds me of the Moto Rokr situation. We know how that worked out. Apple needs to do a little better if it's going to tout it's cooperation with another company. It should at least try to influence the external design -- make it what a next gen Cinema Display might look like if Apple made it itself.

 

[BeSweeet]

Now also ditch the ULV CPU's and add dedicated GPU's to all "pro"-labeled laptops. These are not "pro"-level components -- they're for consumers, and can be found on quality Windows laptops under $750. Unless you're 100% attached to macOS, there's just no justifying the price of the late-2016 MacBook Pro's (or the MacBook Air and 12" MacBook lack of updates or price decreases).

 

[jeremy h]

This "leak" is a thank you to all the people on MacRuomrs and similar forums who have been highlighting the shortcomings of last week's announcements.

Visited two Apple stores yesterday. Both had the new 13" MBP without the Touch Bar in stock, and neither of them had had a collection or a sale. Also visited a department store where they had run out of the old 15" MPB, selling all their stock in the two days after the keynote.

Am told that post-keynote orders are running at under a fifth of projections; described as an "self-inflicted disaster".

That's interesting. I had already looked online this morning here in the UK. The 13" model you describe is available here for next day delivery. That's right - a brand new long awaited model a few days after the keynote appears to be in stock!!! I was possibly interested in one pending what was announced but had resigned myself that if it was any good with all the pent up demand they would be out of stock till way past Xmas. Not so... (and I won't be rushing to my store to get one either!) As you suggest I suspect they going to cut way back on production and I also suspect they're already beavering away trying to figure out how to get 32gb of ram into them and when to cut the price.

 

[Mike84]

"Come Back, Again"

 

[EvilEvil]

Typical incremental updates. Remember when Apple said they couldn't put GPS inside the Apple Watch? LOL.

 

[Hanzu Lao]

You see, I just don't believe you do own those Apple products. Because, you see, the technologically literate see the 2014/15 rMBP to be mediocre mediocre and overpriced, especially when compared to the first generation release, and the idea of buying something as generic and overpriced as a time capsule genuinely makes me laugh. Based on your comments, you honestly seem to be quite ignorant as to the technical aspects of hardware in general.

No benefits for you? I honestly don't believe you're knowledgeable enough to make that judgement, even if it is relating to your own requirements. The quality of life improvements in the new MBP are significant, and the inclusion of four full-speed TB3 ports is groundbreaking, which opens up possibilities that simply could not be entertained with previous iterations. I will now be running both of my 27" 1440p 144Hz monitors off a single port, a USB + gigabit adapter (highly mobile) off another single port, and the other two for whatever other reasons I see fit at the time, such as an external GPU or high speed storage solution. If I need more, I can daisy chain, without any performance degradation.
If I'm leaving the house, I'll take at most two adapters (the USB C multimedia adapter and USB + ethernet adapter), that's it. This new machine will allow me to streamline my workflow on OS X like never before, and you, and others like you, choose to pollute every single thread that I've read with ill-informed regurgitated proforma and whining over a contextually minor price increase, swearing that this is the worst release ever. It's boring.

Now, I mean this sincerely; educate yourself on the capabilities and qualities of the products you're so thoroughly condemning, instead of just rehashing EVERY SINGLE DONE-TO-DEATH cringe-worthy whinge.

Stop being an elitist. For simple ordinary people like me TB3 is usless mostly. I have Lacie TB drive i can use just fine with my 2014 model if i buya new one paying extra for it i alos have to buy a dongle or dock to connect my scanner and my TB drive and/or thumb drives/SD cards.

The more you use "groundbreaking" the more groundbreaking this lack of reason is.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

The school district where I work recently dropped all products made by Apple due to cost. We switched to ChromeBooks pretty much across the board and next year, teachers will follow suit. Did Apple give up on education? We can get 8 CBs for the cost of one MacBook pro . For a district that used to be 90% MAC, this has been a huge difference.

A lot of schools have gone to Chromebook because they are cheap and disposable and therefore can loan or give one to every student. For elementary and middle school it makes sense since most material is online now and kids don't need the power of MS Office. At the high school level it seems schools still have a mix of PC and Apple in-house for dedicated uses where each platform shines best.

There really is no way for Apple or even the PC makers to compete with a Chromebook from a total cost of use perspective. I'm not a fan of them, but they really are the best bang for the buck in this application.

 

[Jax44]

If it is true that 32gb is not available from Apple due to battery concerns, why is the memory soldered into the board, rather than removable and upgradeable?

A consumer can decide for themselves if they want to trade increased memory for shorter battery time.

The truth is, Apple doesnt want buyers to upgrade memory because they will keep their macbooks longer and not purchase a new one.

I cannot buy a laptop with only 16gb, so they have lost a sale to me, even though I would have purchased now if the new Macbooks memory could be upgraded, aftermarket.

So your current Mac laptop has 32 gb of Ram?.

 

[cube]

All Apple laptops support 16GiB since 2011. Some before that.
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So your current Mac laptop has 32 gb of Ram?.

DDR4 laptops with 2 slots usually support 32GiB. With 4, 64GiB.

DDR3 laptops with 4 slots normally support 32GiB.

 

[Workerbee Redux]

I'm really curious, are they panicking at Apple now, rolling their eyes convinced they know better, or just ignoring everything and swimming in cash.

Phil: "Guys, Tim, the forecasts for the new MBP's are bad. Like real bad"
Tim: "They are not selling better than the 2012 did?"
Phil: "Worse, and sales are not picking up"
Craig: "Can't be Sierra, adoption rates are high"
Ive: "Hard to believe, did you double-check the numbers? We made them smaller and lighter, they should sell like hot buns"
Phil: "Critics cite low RAM and low performance"
Tim: "Ah, critics, they are always so negative. Those are the most amazing Macs ever!"
Ive: "Maybe still to thick..."
Dan: "Low RAM? Microsoft also puts only 16GB into their Surface books. Those are the yardstick to measure up against"
Ive: "4K screens and DDR4 RAM is a non-starter, we'd have to make them thicker."
Tim: "Relax, no one wants you to make thicker computers. We'll just wait it out, people will understand eventually."
Dan: "Even if not, we are currently working on the next iPad. It will pick up lost Mac sales"
Ive: "I don't like designing computers anyways, they are so 20th century"
Phil: "Bitch to sell as well, too much competition"
Tim: "So, no action required. If sales don't pick up, we just shutter the Mac division and shift Dan to develop iOS-enabled airplanes, that will give Boeing a run for their money. Thanks all, next topic: which buttons can we eliminate on iPhone 8? ."

 

[Stella]

If 2016 buyers are upset about the prices then they should probably just wait!

Price cut and a taptic engine, I bet. Just to piss off people who buy this year.

 

[Joseph Rash]

I was planing to buy the new MacBook Pro but daaaaaamn it's so over price and I want to upgrade the specs to 16g and 1 tira but after I saw the price am so over my limits
I have 2011 MacBook Pro and it's like a cow it's to slow to use I need a new MacBook Pro for college

 

[fpsBeaTt]

Stop being an elitist. For simple ordinary people like me TB3 is usless mostly. I have Lacie TB drive i can use just fine with my 2014 model if i buya new one paying extra for it i alos have to buy a dongle or dock to connect my scanner and my TB drive and/or thumb drives/SD cards.

The more you use "groundbreaking" the more groundbreaking this lack of reason is.

It's not being elitist to see that you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how modern technology works, and this personal failing is simply not in any way a reflection on Apple's product. There is absolutely no reason you should have to connect a scanner to your machine, and you can amalgamate all of your other functions you've stated into a single low-cost and small adapter, two at most. You literally seem to be making your own problems, and blaming Apple moving past your antiquated setup for them.

 

[nbritton]

Just "unsolder" your ram and then you can stick 64gb in there. It will work. You try it first though!

Maybe Louis Rossmann can do it...

 

[Jax44]

All Apple laptops support 16GiB since 2011. Some before that.
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DDR4 laptops with 2 slots usually support 32GiB. With 4, 64GiB.

DDR3 laptops with 4 slots normally support 32GiB.

What I was getting at was him saying he would " leave Apple" if they don't have 32gb Ram in their laptops. Leaving implies he is using a Mac laptop, and if so, it doesn't have 32gb of Ram currently.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

I am going to cancel my pre-order and wait it out until 32 GB of RAM are available.

For those that have not heard my reasoning, I am an assignment-based photographer that travels about 150 days a year to photograph and video action-sports, nature, and wildlife. (As a matter of fact, I'm typing this on a plane right now as I fly to Dallas for an assignment.) I need 32 GB in a laptop when I'm working out in the field, especially if I'm going to spend $3,700 on a laptop that I expect to last for 3 years.

I'd love to keep my order and use the new MBP, but Apple chose thinness over power for pro users and this MacBook Pro does not meet my needs.

Time to go join the Waiting on Cannonlake thread. As always, a huge thanks to MacRumors for bringing us the latest speculation and news.

 

[Pootmatoot]

I want 128gb ram, 4tb ssd and bazel free screen or I'm not buying! Oh and 2 nvidias 1080!

Apple really screwed themselves not locking down the InfinityEdge tech Dell somehow did.

 

[Sasparilla]

I am going to cancel my pre-order and wait it out until 32 GB of RAM are available.

For those that have not heard my reasoning, I am an assignment-based photographer that travels about 150 days a year to photograph and video action-sports, nature, and wildlife. (As a matter of fact, I'm typing this on a plane right now as I fly to Dallas for an assignment.) I need 32 GB in a laptop when I'm working out in the field, especially if I'm going to spend $3,700 on a laptop that I expect to last for 3 years.

I'd love to keep my order and use the new MBP, but Apple chose thinness over power for pro users and this MacBook Pro does not meet my needs.

Time to go join the Waiting on Cannonlake thread. As always, a huge thanks to MacRumors for bringing us the latest speculation and news.

If you need the RAM, ports or performance I'd do the same. Apple's laptop line has slowly morphed into a Macbook Air line because they've kept cranking down the thin-ness and weight to a fault (IMHO) - and their are downsides to absolute thin-ness and weight that we're running into here.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

In for all the idiots that now hold out because of a random rumor, only to cry like babies when price cuts and more RAM don't happen.

I'd be interested to see who believes they NEED 32GB of RAM. Heck, even if they offer it we'll just hear more crying because of the cost.

 

[unplugme71]

Now we get price cuts, now we get 32GB of RAM? What the hell is going on at Apple?

About a week ago Schiller said they don't build the MacBook for price they build it for experience. Has he changed his mind ... is he now building for price and an even a worse experience?

They were expecting more sales for pre-orders given how long the gap was on the last refresh.

Just goes to show, wallet power is intense.

Apple was never a company that listened to its customers, but it usually delivered near that and surprised/wow'd people.

The Apple today is not like it was 5-10 years ago.

 

[az431]

The entry level prices for the new 13" and 15" are $500 more! For a stupid bar?

It's not $500. It's $200 and $400, respectively, and both come with double the memory and storage. On the higher end model, the price difference is negligible.