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In for all the idiots that now hold out because of a random rumor, only to cry like babies when price cuts and more RAM don't happen.

I'd be interested to see who believes they NEED 32GB of RAM. Heck, even if they offer it we'll just hear more crying because of the cost.

Why? If nothing changes you buy it 6 months later.

Not only that, lots of stores will have these $100 to $200 off next month or so. So why rush to pay retail on something that will go on sale soon anyway.
 
You've all seen this, right?


The Lenovo also had a functionality 90% identical, contextually-aware eink version 4-5 years ago in the Carbon X1.

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I hope this rumour is true. There's no way I'm buying the current offering (especially at that price). Hopefully by next year they'll be a more feedback on how revolutionary the new touch bar is (I'm holding my judgement for now). We'll hopefully see more Thunderbolt 3 docks and peripherals being announced too - so there is hopefully an adapter-free future in sight. I just hope my current 2011 MacBook Pro lasts until then - as after multiple repairs it'll probably bite the dust soon.
 
If you need the RAM, ports or performance I'd do the same. Apple's laptop line has slowly morphed into a Macbook Air line because they've kept cranking down the thin-ness and weight to a fault (IMHO) - and their are downsides to absolute thin-ness and weight that we're running into here.

Not really. The MB Air doesn't come close to a 13" or 15" Pro in performance. In fact, to get this kind of power to weight ratio they achieved is pretty awesome.
 
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The Lenovo also had a functionality 90% identical, contextually-aware eink version 4-5 years ago in the Carbon X1.

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I've replaced 30+ of those machines. IF you think they are even remotely comparable you don't know wtf you're talking about. That bar was garbage, the number one complaint of these laptops from our users. Constant false inputs when hands are nowhere near the computer. It's a 90's era monochrome displace that cycles through an extremely limited set of icons and functions.
 
The Lenovo also had a functionality 90% identical, contextually-aware eink version 4-5 years ago in the Carbon X1.
I'd make a wild guess that it's not multitouch capable or even otherwise at the level current iOS devices, which I'm assuming the touch bar is.

Remember that there were tablets and PDAs before iPad and iPhone, but multitouch working as smoothly as possible really made it into a completely different experience.
 
How about a refresh Macbook Air 13" proper! With Kaby Lake, a better screen, the same 12hours+ battery life and the same chiclet keyboard.

The Macbook Air just got end of life'd, in the same way the Macbook Pro with the disc drive got end of life'd a couple years ago. It will never be updated because it's completely redundant in Apple's eyes by either the 13'' MBP (weighs the same, same screen size) or the 12'' rMB (much lighter, slightly smaller screen). The MBA is never getting a retina screen — the MBA will be the 13'' MBP next year when they push the prices down.

If you thought anything mattered to Apple's future vision of laptops involves anything besides weight and size, then you should take a look at their history (especially the last 3-4 years).
 
Sooo buy now to hold us over, then sell it and buy new refreshed model when those come out?
What are you doing that absolutely requires the newest laptop on your desk? My Haswell rMBP is great, I can work well with it, and it will be great for another 2-3 years.
 
Yes, I can agree that the lack of a 32GB option irks me (I'll just have to limit my work on large databases to my desktop), and after hours of research I STILL can't understand why they didn't do it.

So they can offer it next year as a feature to make up for lack of other features. I don't expect the price to upgrade from 16 to 32 GB will be reasonable either.

Kind of like when Touch ID was added to iPhone but not iPad until a generation later.
 
I've replaced 30+ of those machines. IF you think they are even remotely comparable you don't know wtf you're talking about. That bar was garbage, the number one complaint of these laptops from our users. Constant false inputs when hands are nowhere near the computer. It's a 90's era monochrome displace that cycles through an extremely limited set of icons and functions.


I've used it at a trade show. The tech wasn't an issue for me, the use-for-a-week-and-forget gimmickiness was.

Given how gingerly the demonstrators showed off the new strip, I wouldn't jump on how it doesn't false input quite yet...
 
So they can offer it next year as a feature to make up for lack of other features. I don't expect the price to upgrade from 16 to 32 GB will be reasonable either.

Kind of like when Touch ID was added to iPhone but not iPad until a generation later.

The upgrade cost for 16GB on my 2012 rMBP was reasonable :p
 
They have to price these laptops this way. Their parts and labour must be so expensive... /Sarcasm/...

oh and the taxes they have to pay... Someone has to pay for them :)
 
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Oh sure, blame Intel for your poor decisions. If Apple wasn't so damn obsessed with thinness, they would have built these only marginally thinner than the last models, and included a decent memory subsystem like all their competitors do.

These new MBPs belong in an art museum. They're pretty, but damnit Apple, give your customers something they actually want to buy, and something that's actually useable.

I so desperately wanted to buy a new MBP (I have 3 prev. models), but this is the final straw. This time I'm buying a HP 15" ZBook Studio (same CPU & SSD, but with NVidia Quadro M1000M w/4GB GDDR5 and 32GB of RAM), and running Ubuntu (still can't abide Windoze). Same price as MBP, way better spec. Apple, you're killing me. Price aside, with the HP, at least I can get up to 64GB of RAM, and I CAN UPGRADE IT!
 
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In for all the idiots that now hold out because of a random rumor, only to cry like babies when price cuts and more RAM don't happen.

I'd be interested to see who believes they NEED 32GB of RAM. Heck, even if they offer it we'll just hear more crying because of the cost.

In these discussions, someone always pops in and claims that people don't need more than 16 GB of RAM. I've clearly explained why I need 32 GB of RAM and why I need it in an Apple laptop. Once you try to edit 35mm full-frame 4K 60 fps video (that measures in at 5.7 GB per minute of footage) while simultaneously editing hundreds of 65mb image files, you'll quickly realize why I need more than 16 GB of RAM. And believe me, there are a ton of other scenarios and users that need it too.
 
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So my $2300 laptop will lose 25% of its value because its used, and in 6 months it will lose another 25% because the updated models are out, but because the newer models are actually cheaper than the model I bought by $300-$400 that means I will lose another 25% of my investment...

Making my $2300 '15 Macbook just about worth $700 in second hand market in 6 months...

nice...
 
I've used it at a trade show. The tech wasn't an issue for me, the use-for-a-week-and-forget gimmickiness was.

Given how gingerly the demonstrators showed off the new strip, I wouldn't jump on how it doesn't false input quite yet...
I didn't see one instance of the touch bar triggering itself with the laptop just sitting there. The lenovo POS? I spent 10 minutes watching it switch through icons as if someone was touching the function key even though no one was within 3 feet of the damn thing.

I still get at least 2 tickets a week for this exact issue, luckily we've replaced nearly every one of those god awful machines. The Gen 4s are night and day better machines.
 
The school district where I work recently dropped all products made by Apple due to cost. We switched to ChromeBooks pretty much across the board and next year, teachers will follow suit. Did Apple give up on education? We can get 8 CBs for the cost of one MacBook pro :(. For a district that used to be 90% MAC, this has been a huge difference.

Why does a school need a PRO computer? In case you didn't know, Oregon Trail runs on iOS now.
 
People are making such a huge issue out of the 32GB RAM. Why do you need more than 16GB? There are very few processes out there that require more than 16GB. And if something requires it, you're probably not using something like a laptop to do it.

More does not always equal better, especially with RAM. There's a point of diminishing returns, and 16GB is pretty much that point. In most cases, architectural changes to the CPU, newer GPU, etc will offer much better performance gains than simply piling on more RAM.
 
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