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The OS doesn't know where the files are, in all likelihood, much like Momentus XT. No reason it needs to know.

So in this case with having the Flash separate from the HDD, you would still need a controller to do the caching. Since the OS won't know where the data is at any given point and time.
 
So in this case with having the Flash separate from the HDD, you would still need a controller to do the caching. Since the OS won't know where the data is at any given point and time.

Yep. Of course they could instead modify the OS and use two SATA channels, but that would be pretty inefficient.
 
wow big news day..im hoping for an event even if its after the release. do you guys still think it will be thursday?
 
I know about half of us are on the fence about the fact that there doesn't seem to be an event happening for the release of the new mbp's. A lot of you feel that it will jus merely be a spec bump because of this. However, since apple has a loyal following for the macbooks already maybe they are just focusing all of their collective efforts on the iPad 2. So could we possibly see more than a spec bump? What do you guys think?
 
I know about half of us are on the fence about the fact that there doesn't seem to be an event happening for the release of the new mbp's. A lot of you feel that it will jus merely be a spec bump because of this. However, since apple has a loyal following for the macbooks already maybe they are just focusing all of their collective efforts on the iPad 2. So could we possibly see more than a spec bump? What do you guys think?

i feel like its more than a spec bump personally..i mean there are so many changes they can make i doubt its just little changes..or else a lot of people will be dissapointed and also they need to keep up with competition
 
Just a random question: I've never followed an Apple product release so closely as this mbp release. If I would have to wait a few days or weeks to buy one, is there any chance of Apple running out of stock or getting back-ordered?
 
Apple needs to loose the optical DVD drives - I have not used my DVD once in my 2010 MBP

Actually, considering this SSD+HDD rumor, what with the whole SATA port problem Sandy Bridge has and Intel shipping out defective chipsets to certain manufacturers, has anyone commented that it would then be impossible to include an ODD unless Apple used one of the defective ports ?

Either Apple waited to get revised chipsets, which means that the palettes aren't in stores and you can forget about a Thursday launch (seeing how Intel just started shipping out fix chipsets last week), either this SSD+HDD is bollocks or either they are removing the ODD from certain configurations that will have this SSD+HDD combo.
 
i feel like its more than a spec bump personally..i mean there are so many changes they can make i doubt its just little changes..or else a lot of people will be dissapointed and also they need to keep up with competition

Yup! I feel the same way. I just think they are focused more on iPad because whether we like it or not, we are in the year of tablets. Great marketing of that iPad2 is a little more important IMO.

Just a random question: I've never followed an Apple product release so closely as this mbp release. If I would have to wait a few days or weeks to buy one, is there any chance of Apple running out of stock or getting back-ordered?

In my experience with Apple releases, they love to give meeting on profits and progress. Tell me, can they do this well if they sell out? No, and they know this. I believe you'll be fine.
 
Actually, considering this SSD+HDD rumor, what with the whole SATA port problem Sandy Bridge has and Intel shipping out defective chipsets to certain manufacturers, has anyone commented that it would then be impossible to include an ODD unless Apple used one of the defective ports ?

I don't think they would use two channels for the SSD+HDD rumor (because I think the system would see the combo as a single drive, corresponding to their own piece of silicon that handles moving files between the two drives and which uses only one SATA channel).
 
Yup! I feel the same way. I just think they are focused more on iPad because whether we like it or not, we are in the year of tablets. Great marketing of that iPad2 is a little more important IMO.



In my experience with Apple releases, they love to give meeting on profits and progress. Tell me, can they do this well if they sell out? No, and they know this. I believe you'll be fine.

i wish we werent in the year of tablets..i know everyone wants them but i want the macbook prooo! ahah and welcome back :D

edit:btw so i guess theyre going to have the macbook pros ipads AND imacs???! basically all at once?
 
Just a random question: I've never followed an Apple product release so closely as this mbp release. If I would have to wait a few days or weeks to buy one, is there any chance of Apple running out of stock or getting back-ordered?

There is always a possibility for shortages. No one knows what kind of stock Apple has built up, but I assume because of the whole Intel SB chipset fiasco that their stock is lower than they would like.

I also think sometimes certain customizing options online don't ship for a couple weeks after release. But this might not affect you.
 
i wish we werent in the year of tablets..i know everyone wants them but i want the macbook prooo! ahah and welcome back :D

edit:btw so i guess theyre going to have the macbook pros ipads AND imacs???! basically all at once?

Thanks. :D And call me hopeful, but I think the MBPs can still be released on Thursday without an event and Apple can just reiterate the changes at the event. They could even also give an amount of units already purchased (Jobs loves to do that). And then, of course, we'll see iPads and iMacs shortly thereafter.
 
Thanks. :D And call me hopeful, but I think the MBPs can still be released on Thursday without an event and Apple can just reiterate the changes at the event. They could even also give an amount of units already purchased (Jobs loves to do that). And then, of course, we'll see iPads and iMacs shortly thereafter.

i agree with this plan! i mean if they do have the macs come thursday (which btw is there proof of any stores receiving them) then they will obviously add that to the press event
 
I don't think they would use two channels for the SSD+HDD rumor (because I think the system would see the combo as a single drive, corresponding to their own piece of silicon that handles moving files between the two drives and which uses only one SATA channel).

But then how would you have the OS install on the Flash portion and the rest on the spinning platters ? Either it would be a cache like the Momentus drive or Apple would have to know in advance what sectors to address specifically in a special partition, meaning a user wise enough could just change this partition from the OS drive to some other folder during installation.

Seems it would be complicating things for no real gain, especially if this was design prior to knowing about the Sandy Bridge bug, which if it exists is the case, seeing how we learned about that bug just weeks ago.

Hardware design doesn't take just a few mere weeks.
 
i agree with this plan! i mean if they do have the macs come thursday (which btw is there proof of any stores receiving them) then they will obviously add that to the press event

Other than the rumors, I don't believe anyone has come forward with proof, but yeah, that's exactly what I was getting at.

But then how would you have the OS install on the Flash portion and the rest on the spinning platters ? Either it would be a cache like the Momentus drive or Apple would have to know in advance what sectors to address specifically in a special partition, meaning a user wise enough could just change this partition from the OS drive to some other folder during installation.

Seems it would be complicating things for no real gain, especially if this was design prior to knowing about the Sandy Bridge bug, which if it exists is the case, seeing how we learned about that bug just weeks ago.

Hardware design doesn't take just a few mere weeks.

All really good points. We'll unfortunately just have to wait and see. :mad:
 
Actually, considering this SSD+HDD rumor, what with the whole SATA port problem Sandy Bridge has and Intel shipping out defective chipsets to certain manufacturers, has anyone commented that it would then be impossible to include an ODD unless Apple used one of the defective ports ?

Either Apple waited to get revised chipsets, which means that the palettes aren't in stores and you can forget about a Thursday launch (seeing how Intel just started shipping out fix chipsets last week), either this SSD+HDD is bollocks or either they are removing the ODD from certain configurations that will have this SSD+HDD combo.

Or their old mate Woz is selling them a PCIe based Flash Controller.
 
Or their old mate Woz is selling them a PCIe based Flash Controller.

So they'd pack in a ODD, a SSD, a HDD and on top of that, would have to use an external SATA controller, something they just found out a few weeks ago and managed to fix without delaying production ?

No, if Apple included all 3 drives at once, it would seem logical that the SB bug would affect them and delay the launch, which it's not doing.

Something is up with this rumor. Either it's wishful thinking or there will be a few configurations without an ODD.
 
Does anyone know if Apple will come out with a new model by the end of the year? If so i rather just wait then snag this up coming refresh.
 
Does anyone know if Apple will come out with a new model by the end of the year? If so i rather just wait then snag this up coming refresh.

lol nobody knows what the refresh is going to be that is happening this week or next week. How would anyone know apple's plans 8 months from now?
 
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