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I somewhat agree. NDA's for a spec bump?

The 24th would have been great, but I keep thinking back to those March dates listed on the BB screenshots as something more solid.

As the article suggests this may not be associated with the MBP's, but timing is about spot on, no?
 
Does anyone know if Apple has fixed the secure delete bug with SSD's?

The bug that was first reported yesterday? Yes. The engineers fixed it this morning. It will be in the next OS update according to the Cupertino newspaper where Apple publishes each bug fix as soon as the code is checked into SVN.
 
actually.. this is great news! (please hear me out before throwing stones^^)

this would mean that the changes to the mbps are bigger then just a speedbumb and isn't that what we all were hoping for?? :)

guys, another website claims that sandy bridge macbook pro won't be available till next thursday at the earliest. This means that possibly the meeting is about the new macbook pro. Also, I think that a potential reason the meeting may have been pushed back, is that maybe apple was waiting on intel for its sandy bridge processors.

http://3anime.com/apple-mac-book-pro...-in-march/2027
 
The bug that was first reported yesterday? Yes. The engineers fixed it this morning. It will be in the next OS update according to the Cupertino newspaper where Apple publishes each bug fix as soon as the code is checked into SVN.

Ah, I was under the impression that it was known for a longer period of time. My bad. :eek:
 
actually.. this is great news! (please hear me out before throwing stones^^)

this would mean that the changes to the mbps are bigger then just a speedbumb and isn't that what we all were hoping for?? :)

Agreed. My current gen MacBook pro(2006) is getting older, and running sluggish. But I would LOVE a media event for this as like you stated is probably a major refresh. I can wait another week or two. :p
 
Ah, I was under the impression that it was known for a longer period of time. My bad. :eek:

I exaggerated a bit. I first saw it widely reported yesterday. I'm sure a few people have known about it longer. But as it effects the current version of the OS, there's little way to know if Apple has a fix ready to go. The developer OS releases still have the problem, I believe.
 
I exaggerated a bit. I first saw it widely reported yesterday. I'm sure a few people have known about it longer. But as it effects the current version of the OS, there's little way to know if Apple has a fix ready to go. The developer OS releases still have the problem, I believe.
After searching around it appears to be something that Apple may not be able to patch. Seeing as the SSD Controller has final say on how data is to be deleted.

With the inability to degauss these drives I wonder if that will slow DoD adoption.
 
After searching around it appears to be something that Apple may not be able to patch. Seeing as the SSD Controller has final say on how data is to be deleted.

With the inability to degauss these drives I wonder if that will slow DoD adoption.

I dunno about that, but it gives me an idea for a business plan. :)
 
SSD drive

I did not read through all these comments. Too many of them. But on the first few pages, people started to comment "A larger SSD for OD and Apps would be nice" The article says for OS, not apps. the HDD would be "for everything else"

My applications folder has 17gb of apps right now. That does not include the separate Application Support folder under the library.
 
I did not read through all these comments. Too many of them. But on the first few pages, people started to comment "A larger SSD for OD and Apps would be nice" The article says for OS, not apps. the HDD would be "for everything else"

My applications folder has 17gb of apps right now. That does not include the separate Application Support folder under the library.

Apple may use the SSD as a sort of cache. Although they could do some hardlink trickery...
 
I hope Apple does keep the optical drive, i think many people are still using it. I for one am using it a lot. Besides, they do provide the Air for people who want a computer without a drive.

Many people are not still using it. A small fraction of people use it. For those who do, get an external. Not that big of deal.
 
A hybrid is a great way to keep costs down, while boosting performance. While I agree 16 gigs is too small, you can always opt for the SSD option for more $$$.

IMO, the hybrid approach is all about trying to boost performance without incurring a "boost" in product price.

Well 8-16GB or storage could easily fit on the motherboard itself. But I dont get the point to making it only fit OS X. If only the OS gets the speed bump I don't see the use in it unless it acts like the Seagate hybrid drive where it can also cache other applications to to help boost their performance too.

It is a question of where it will make the most good. If we apply the Pareto Principle (80%-20% rule), we'll figuratively get 80% of the benefit from the first 20% of our files being accessed.

Nice idea in theory but it's not enough space...

Any chance the boot drive listed is the minimum system and can be expanded to a larger drive?

Consider ...

Step 1: Logically combine the SSD+HD into a JBOD;

Step 2: Have an OS background application that keeps track of what files are used the most often (ie, would benefit the most from SSD acceleration);

Step 3: Update the OS's background "Defrag"-esque housekeeping utility so that the files from Step#2 are automatically rewritten onto the SSD portion of the JBOD, thereby gaining the optimal speed-up.

Step 4: Enjoy.


Software Update will not recognize applications outside of the Applications folders on the partition with the OS and therefore not find updates...(example: I don't think iTunes has a way of getting a music library off an external drive without tweaking some settings and such. Same story with iPhoto for another example.) If they are able to combine the drives behind the scenes without the user having to deal with it directly, this could work, but I don't think there's anything in the OS to do that yet.

Agreed, but much of this appears to be technologically trivial because it is disk structure organizational logic. All we've done is to identify already known areas where a JBOD-based structure would need to be tested to make sure that it works cleanly.


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Tell me why are people excited about this? I expect 128GB SSDs even in the base 13". I have 16GB in my iPhone, and even that feels like too little.

It has the potential to increase performance without a big increase in cost.


SSD + HD combo would consume more power than just a single HD.

True, if the two weren't interrelated. In simple form, there's three power consumption states of interest for the HD: Accessing, Ready & Sleeping. If the power consumption difference of (Accessing - Ready) is more than the power cost of the SSD access, then there will be a net power savings by this hybrid approach.

Even if there's not a power savings at this level, there's also the rest of the system's power consumption, such as the backlighting on the LCD display: if the SSD allows the response time to become 0.75 sec faster and that improves user productivity by 0.5 sec ... then (at least in theory), there's also 0.5 sec worth of LCD backlighting energy that is "Saved" too, since the operator can finish his tasks sooner.

I hope this is true, because this is EXACTLY what I've been waiting for. It makes complete sense to keep the operating system separate from the userland files.

it's not a bad idea

It is a good idea which has has been suggested before. :D



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SSD for OS only?

Not going to happen. User home folders are stored by default on the same drive as the OS. Although its fairly trivial to relocate them to a different drive, it is beyond the technical expertise of the average user. It would not surprise me that they would have two large drives, though. For a pro user, working off a separate scratch drive is a huge bonus in terms of speed, and if this was internal, it would make for a powerful yet portable workstation. Most pro users I know rue the fact they have to plug in an external drive if they want to do some heavy Final Cut work.
 
Can't wait til they come out! Gotta wait outside the apple store like this guy and watch everyone go crazy over a macbook pro!

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Advice for Amazon Purchase?

Anyone buy their Macbook Pros from Amazon? Any idea how long before the new models make their way to Amazon (Preferably from Amazon itself and not a third part vendor) once they are announced?

Fingers crossed for Thursday!
 
That's already been noted. I also noted that doing it with two drives forced to communicate by SATA would impose latency penalties as compared to the Momentus XT.
This seems like a silly question, but does the OS keep track of where files are or does it leave all of the specifics up to the FS? It would seem like the OS would also need to know where files are versus letting the FS and HDD/SSD controller worry about it. I guess in the end, it would end up as another abstraction layer between the OS and the data (on top of the one for the FS).
 
Anyone buy their Macbook Pros from Amazon? Any idea how long before the new models make their way to Amazon (Preferably from Amazon itself and not a third part vendor) once they are announced?

Fingers crossed for Thursday!

Usually new Macs hit Amazon 1-3 weeks after Apple is selling them.

I know, it sucks.
 
This seems like a silly question, but does the OS keep track of where files are or does it leave all of the specifics up to the FS? It would seem like the OS would also need to know where files are versus letting the FS and HDD/SSD controller worry about it. I guess in the end, it would end up as another abstraction layer between the OS and the data (on top of the one for the FS).

The OS doesn't know where the files are, in all likelihood, much like Momentus XT. No reason it needs to know.
 
Would love the new MBP's! Can't wait for them! I will order one immediately at the dutch online store, anyway knows how long it will take to ship them?
 
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