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Could it be he was just saying you should wait a few months before buying Leopard (and therefore the MB)? It's conventional wisdom for any major Apple OS upgrade, after all.
what's so innovative about Penryn that would make its appearance in the MBP to cause the latter to be strides ahead of the MB??
In years gone by comparisons of as an example Dell to Apple were a hassle as mac zealots would argue that a G3/4/5 would be *so* much faster than current wintel models. But right now, simply go to dell.com and look at their 13.3' screen model and what they stuffed in there.
Yes, Macbooks are quite dated. All they have going for them are that they run OS X and some design innovations like the magnetic power cord. In other words: they seriously need to bump them to Santa Rosa for the holiday season in order to catch up to the specs other manufacturers currently offer for roughly the same price.
Give me the above and I'll gladly throw my money at apple. don't and I'm quite troubled with buying a macbook.
Yes, Macbooks are quite dated. All they have going for them are that they run OS X and some design innovations like the magnetic power cord. In other words: they seriously need to bump them to Santa Rosa for the holiday season in order to catch up to the specs other manufacturers currently offer for roughly the same price.
Give me the above and I'll gladly throw my money at apple. don't and I'm quite troubled with buying a macbook.
Depends on what you do in Photoshop. I use it to dump images from my Epson scanner and rotate them, so I don't need any RAM.
My friend creates large advertising images in it, and even 4GB isn't nearly enough to hold his dataset, to say nothing of the scratch data...
Oh, really?
MWSF 2001 - Powerbook G4
MWSF 2003 - Powerbook G4 (12" and 17") http://www.thinksecret.com/news/mwsf03keynote.html
MWSF 2004 - Xserve G5 http://www.thinksecret.com/news/mwsf04announcements.html
MWSF 2006 - Aperture, MacBook Pro http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2006/01/mwsf_2006_keynote_notes.html
MWSF 2001 - Powerbook G4
MWSF 2003 - Powerbook G4 (12" and 17") http://www.thinksecret.com/news/mwsf03keynote.html
MWSF 2004 - Xserve G5 http://www.thinksecret.com/news/mwsf04announcements.html
MWSF 2006 - Aperture, MacBook Pro http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2006/01/mwsf_2006_keynote_notes.html
Is it even possible to attach X3100 graphics to the Napa chipset?
I thought that X3100/X3000 required Santa Rosa, but I'm hardly an expert.
The 4GB High Ram Capacity Is A Very Big Deal
If you want to run one thing at a time - sure you can get by with 1GB. But it's hardly optimal - especially in light of the nominal $194 cost of two 2GB sticks.
I think those of us who expect the next update to be SR X3100/X3000 IG Merom C2D @ 2.2GHz would find that a lot more MacBook than the current offering - not so incremental from today.
There's also a good argument for 45nm Penryn in mobile Macs ASAP. But that doesn't appear to be in the cards before MWSF in mid January - almost another 100 days from now.
My scenario always has my mobile Mac hooked up to an external monitor at home. Some here poo-poo the idea of running pro apps on a MacBook because the screen is so small. But if it's hooked to a 24" 1920 x 1200 monitor at base all the time, it's not so small after all is it. That's why waiting for the 4GB limit with X3100/X3000 IG is so important to me.
Footnote. I don't expect to buy one. I'm shooting for a 45nm 2.8 GHz Penryn 17" 1920 x 1200 MBP next Spring.
I have the CS3 Master Collection on my 1.25 GHz G4 PB with 2GB of ram - the upper limit on this old horse. You're kidding yourself if you think you don't need 4GB. But then I always have 10-15 applications open simultaneously.
If you want to run one thing at a time - sure you can get by with 1GB. But it's hardly optimal - especially in light of the nominal $194 cost of two 2GB sticks.
I think those of us who expect the next update to be SR X3100/X3000 IG Merom C2D @ 2.2GHz would find that a lot more MacBook than the current offering - not so incremental from today.
There's also a good argument for 45nm Penryn in mobile Macs ASAP. But that doesn't appear to be in the cards before MWSF in mid January - almost another 100 days from now.
My scenario always has my mobile Mac hooked up to an external monitor at home. Some here poo-poo the idea of running pro apps on a MacBook because the screen is so small. But if it's hooked to a 24" 1920 x 1200 monitor at base all the time, it's not so small after all is it. That's why waiting for the 4GB limit with X3100/X3000 IG is so important to me.
Footnote. I don't expect to buy one. I'm shooting for a 45nm 2.8 GHz Penryn 17" 1920 x 1200 MBP next Spring.
Just a basic question now: would the adoption of the 3100 silence all whiners as regards basic/intermediate-level gaming on the Mac? Or is it almost as weak as the 950? Thanks in advance for the answer...
Maybe
I'm guessing it should. But then most of those cats won't be happy until Apple puts a $500 dedicated 1GB graphics card in there for $49 extra.
The GMA X3100 has been found to be on par with the GeForce 7300 and Radeon X1300. It's quite powerful for what it is. It still suffers from the lack of bandwidth like other integrated solutions.
It isn't much more to get even a low end discrete solution. The low end ones have ranged from $5-40.
Are you serious? Maybe running 10-15 applications as well as CS3 is the reason why you think you need 4GB.
Are you serious? Maybe running 10-15 applications as well as CS3 is the reason why you think you need 4GB.
I guess he is serious and in every sense of the word
I use Linux most of the time and I have 15 virtual screens (the coming Spaces is the analogue to that, if you don't know), it is normal that about 10 screens are used at a time with typically more than one window per screen. Could it be that you just don't get the concept of multitasking right?And people STILL think that having better "specs" on the Dell is the factor for or against buying a Mac...once more, it's ALL about OS X and its integrated software.
The fact that we now have Intel has NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER on Mac purchasing decisions...it's only better, since those on the fence may also install Winblows if they need to.
Why not? They put $190 ones at $400...But then most of those cats won't be happy until Apple puts a $500 dedicated 1GB graphics card in there for $49 extra.
I guess he is serious and in every sense of the word
From my own experience, it's more like WINDOWS doesn't get multitasking right...what a horrible system it is for the purpose of running multiple apps...more than 3 and it's already choking, unlike my G5 Mac...go figure...
I'm really hoping to see these new MacBooks in Silver aluminium. The size form is perfect at the moment, I'd just like them to match the MacBook Pros aluminium casing.
Ditto. Silver or black aluminum sounds fine to me. I just hope they do get the case redesign and not just an update inside. My macbook has been great, but I still miss my 12" powerbook's look and feel.
I am deciding between getting a Macbook or Macbook pro.
If the Macbook gets a decent update and not just a simple speed bump when Leopard is released then I will go with that, otherwise it just seems still too dated for the moment.
As for the Macbook pro I was all but ready to get it back in June when it was updated and probably should have but decide to wait for Leopard but now that time is coming its is starting too look a little overpriced.
The updates I expect (hope more like) to happen goes as follows.
November 2007
Macbook: Santa Rosa, X3100, all models to have Superdrive, Aluminium Case
Mac Pro: Penryn processors, Blu ray
Jaraunay 2008
New Macbook Pro with Penryn processors
New sub-notebook range
If the Macbook doesnt get an update when is Leopard released or an few weeks after I am not really sure what I will do, I probably will wait till January and see what happens, but I really want to get my notebook within the next month to take advantage of the back to school promotion and I tried of waiting. I know the next big thing is always round the corner and you cant always wait for it or youll never end up buying anything but as the I dont expect to get another laptop for the next 3 years I want to have the latest technology at the time and not something at the end of it cycle. Decisions, decisions
If the Macbook gets a decent update and not just a simple speed bump when Leopard is released then I will go with that, otherwise it just seems still too dated for the moment.
As for the Macbook pro I was all but ready to get it back in June when it was updated and probably should have but decide to wait for Leopard but now that time is coming its is starting too look a little overpriced.
The updates I expect (hope more like) to happen goes as follows.
November 2007
Macbook: Santa Rosa, X3100, all models to have Superdrive, Aluminium Case
Mac Pro: Penryn processors, Blu ray
Jaraunay 2008
New Macbook Pro with Penryn processors
New sub-notebook range
If the Macbook doesnt get an update when is Leopard released or an few weeks after I am not really sure what I will do, I probably will wait till January and see what happens, but I really want to get my notebook within the next month to take advantage of the back to school promotion and I tried of waiting. I know the next big thing is always round the corner and you cant always wait for it or youll never end up buying anything but as the I dont expect to get another laptop for the next 3 years I want to have the latest technology at the time and not something at the end of it cycle. Decisions, decisions
From my own experience, it's more like WINDOWS doesn't get multitasking right...what a horrible system it is for the purpose of running multiple apps...more than 3 and it's already choking, unlike my G5 Mac...go figure...
From my own experience, WINDOWS just doesn't classify as an OS but that's way offtopic... so, I cut it.
yeah I expect similar update path too.
And yes Penryn will be strides ahead. Not amazing 'strides' but definitely enough to easily differentiate a MB with SR CPU/SR and MBP with Penryn/SR.
Is Intel planning on calling Penryn Core 3 Duo or something?