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New MacBooks by November?

fewture said:
Is Intel planning on calling Penryn Core 3 Duo or something?
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No, Penryn is a shrink of Core 2 from 65nm to 45nm.

Core 3 will be 45nm, come out end of 08 /start of 09 and are codenamed Nehalem.

The next is Westmere, a shrink of Core 3 to 32nm

The next year, then 32nm Core 4 or whatever its called, codenamed Sandy Bridge.
 
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Life is Sweet said:
Core 3 will be 45nm, come out end of 08 /start of 09 and are codenamed Nehalem...
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It would be logical that Nehalem will get the marketing name "Core 3", but history has shown that logic and marketing don't always follow the same path.

Best to stick with the code names until marketing picks the product name - it's still possible that on 12 November we'll see the "Core 3" Harpertowns....

By the time that Nehalem is formally introduced, Intel marketing might decide to change from "Core %d" labeling to something else.
 
Well it depends on what you want. If you really wanted a 13.3 thin and light notebook with a dedicated GPU people will most likely to opt with the Dell/Sony/Asus and not a MacBook. Of course specs do come into it.
BRLawyer said:
And people STILL think that having better "specs" on the Dell is the factor for or against buying a Mac...once more, it's ALL about OS X and its integrated software.

The fact that we now have Intel has NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER on Mac purchasing decisions...it's only better, since those on the fence may also install Winblows if they need to.
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QCassidy352 said:
The next MB had damn well better not use the GMA 950. Give us Santa Rosa and the 3100, at least.
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It sure sounds like it will. At this point, I think Apple has lost a laptop sale here. I will have to buy a PC. I don't want to spend over $2000 for a MBP and the Macbook's graphics are simply unacceptable for 2008, which we are fast heading towards. I've been putting it off for many months now, hoping the next update would get Santa Rosa, but if this update does not, it's hello PC with Linux and XP installed. I simply cannot fathom why Apple places no value on GPU updates. Newer Mac games do not support the GMA 950 at all, yet any $700 PC can run newer 3D games with total aplomb. It's the one thing that really makes Apple look bad. They need to address it pronto, IMO.

I'm sure the usual suspects will chime in about how stupid gaming is or go buy an XBox. I've heard it a thousand times before and it bores me since I don't WANT a console for gaming (PC games are often a different type anyway). I want to run XP under BootCamp or Parallels/Fusion for such things, but the Apple hardware still has to have some guts to it for me to do so.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
It sure sounds like it will. At this point, I think Apple has lost a laptop sale here. I will have to buy a PC. I don't want to spend over $2000 for a MBP and the Macbook's graphics are simply unacceptable for 2008, which we are fast heading towards. I've been putting it off for many months now, hoping the next update would get Santa Rosa, but if this update does not, it's hello PC with Linux and XP installed. I simply cannot fathom why Apple places no value on GPU updates. Newer Mac games do not support the GMA 950 at all, yet any $700 PC can run newer 3D games with total aplomb. It's the one thing that really makes Apple look bad. They need to address it pronto, IMO.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat. I might end up getting a MacBook and build own own minitower. I'd rather not have to manage two computers though. A Mac Pro update might tempt me but I'm trying to save some money. $500 on a half decent gaming rig looks really good though.

MagnusVonMagnum said:
I'm sure the usual suspects will chime in about how stupid gaming is or go buy an XBox. I've heard it a thousand times before and it bores me since I don't WANT a console for gaming (PC games are often a different type anyway). I want to run XP under BootCamp or Parallels/Fusion for such things, but the Apple hardware still has to have some guts to it for me to do so.
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I get tired of "Just buy a XBox 360", as well. I have my Wii for my light gaming and Nintendo love but I'm a RTS and FPS fanatic for the PC.
 
BRLawyer said:
And people STILL think that having better "specs" on the Dell is the factor for or against buying a Mac...once more, it's ALL about OS X and its integrated software.

The fact that we now have Intel has NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER on Mac purchasing decisions...it's only better, since those on the fence may also install Winblows if they need to.
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For me it was. Ever since I replaced my G4 466, whenever thereafter I looked at buying a new machine the machines Apple offered in their consumer lines were total turds when it came to getting the job done in comparison to the offerings of other manufacturers. I rather live with a not as flashy interface if I in turn get hardware that isn't bargain bin material for other manufacturers. Apples window of opportunity to get the job done right ends 24th of November. They by that time either have santa rosa alu macbooks in stores or I'll just buy a vaio.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
I'm sure the usual suspects will chime in about how stupid gaming is or go buy an XBox. I've heard it a thousand times before and it bores me since I don't WANT a console for gaming (PC games are often a different type anyway). I want to run XP under BootCamp or Parallels/Fusion for such things, but the Apple hardware still has to have some guts to it for me to do so.
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Quite agree. Though gaming isn't my priority, I still want to be able to play games like Medieval 2: Total War & Empire: TW (coming in 2008) at the highest settings, without forking out for a Mac Pro. I don't think that's so unreasonable. As the new iMacs simply don't do it for me, difficult decisions lie ahead.

Yes, it's now time MacBooks had better than GMA950 graphics, but with Apple's thinking on this I won't be too surprised if it doesn't happen for a while yet.
 
would people's complaints about the integrated graphics performance and the chipset be nitpicking really? I've upgraded from a powerbook G4 1.25"GHz to my current macbook....and the performance of the macbook is leaps and bounds above my old powerbook....i've had my machine since july, and i'm perfectly happy with it! granted i don't play computer games though
 
mox123 said:
would people's complaints about the integrated graphics performance and the chipset be nitpicking really? I've upgraded from a powerbook G4 1.25"GHz to my current macbook....and the performance of the macbook is leaps and bounds above my old powerbook....i've had my machine since july, and i'm perfectly happy with it! granted i don't play computer games though
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Then what sort of input can you give in the performance of the graphics subsystem?
 
mox123 said:
would people's complaints about the integrated graphics performance and the chipset be nitpicking really? I've upgraded from a powerbook G4 1.25"GHz to my current macbook....and the performance of the macbook is leaps and bounds above my old powerbook
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hmm...mebbe this will help....

"i've just upgraded my old axe for a newfangled musket...and it rocks!"

...except its a shame everyone else is already using apache copters and stealth fighters

so i'm like....er, stuffed...

:);):D
 
BRLawyer said:
And people STILL think that having better "specs" on the Dell is the factor for or against buying a Mac...once more, it's ALL about OS X and its integrated software.
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No, BRLawyer, it's all about the freaking TPM that disables decent usage of OSX on decent hardware and the fact that Apple is merely cornering you (and myself) to buy its hardware. I wouldn't be against it if the hardware was at the bleeding edge, which is unfortunately not the case. If you want OSX they just don't give you any choice. IMHO, it sucks and, as I have been writing in other threads, I think it sucks big time.

The fact that we now have Intel has NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER on Mac purchasing decisions...it's only better, since those on the fence may also install Winblows if they need to.
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The (read: our) problem, IMO, is that WE can not do the same: decently install OSX on whatever hardware that would be compatible at least to some extent.
 
While FPS games will always push the GPU to the limit, even RPG/RTG games are now putting serious demands on the GPU to the point that most integrated GPUs just can't cut it anymore.

While the X3x00 will hardly be a pancea, it will at least let us run some current games that cannot be run now, period.

I bought an iMac 24" with the knowledge that the ATI 2600 would be enough to run my RPG/RTG games sufficiently, but would likely be unacceptable for FPS games. Since I don't play FPS games, I'm okay with that.

Unfortunately, the days of just buying a cheap Windows PC as a game box and using your Mac for "the real work" is becoming less and less of an option because modern video cards need such massive power supplies and high-end memory, CPUs and systemboards that $500, which used to get you a "decent" system a few years back, barely covers the video card now.
 
urbanski said:
hmm...mebbe this will help....

"i've just upgraded my old axe for a newfangled musket...and it rocks!"

...except its a shame everyone else is already using apache copters and stealth fighters

so i'm like....er, stuffed...

:);):D
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"i've just upgraded my old axe for a newfangled musket...and it rocks!"

Alas, I still need to chop wood...
 
CWallace said:
I wish. I upgraded from a G3 Powerbook to my 1st gen MacBook. :eek:
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lolz

well, im still waiting 2 u/g from my 6-yr old pc to my 1st mac - so am rly hoping these new macbooks are santa rosa + new intel gfx and not the old 950...otherwise im gonna have to keep waiting...:(:(:(
 
Multimedia said:
To repeat myself several pages down the thread, I think 2GHz and 2.2 GHz with 4GB ram capacity thanks to Santa Rosa & finally better new integrated graphics (IG). So from my point of view it will be a big deal because they've been offering the same tired old IG since the first MacBook last year plus it will see and use 4GB of RAM which will both make its performance a lot better than just the speed of the C2D.
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This is exactly what I'm hoping for--better graphics chip, ability to go to 4MB RAM. Would buy this right away; if there's a minor speed bump too, so much the better, but that's secondary.
 
Eidorian said:
Then what sort of input can you give in the performance of the graphics subsystem?
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Just to clarify is that what it boils down to...the ability to play games or do work that involves 3d graphics?

For those of the us that don't do those things will we notice any difference between the two chips. Is there any reason (graphic chip wise) to wait for the update?

thanks,
mitm
 
maninthemoon said:
Just to clarify is that what it boils down to...the ability to play games or do work that involves 3d graphics?

For those of the us that don't do those things will we notice any difference between the two chips. Is there any reason (graphic chip wise) to wait for the update?

thanks,
mitm
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The user upgrading from their PowerBook said, "the performance of the macbook is leaps and bounds above my old powerbook."

This is more then likely from moving to Core 2 and having nothing to due with the GMA 950. Of course the Core 2 is going to give you incredible performance compared to the G4. :rolleyes:

Some of us do care about more then just raw CPU clock speed.
 
Yes. The OS is using 3D tricks more and more to create a pleasing computing experience. The X3100 will run new OS's like Leopard and Vista with less stress on the CPU than the GMA950. Multiple monitors, if you ever find you need them, will also run smoother.
 
flopticalcube said:
Yes. The OS is using 3D tricks more and more to create a pleasing computing experience. The X3100 will run new OS's like Leopard and Vista with less stress on the CPU than the GMA950. Multiple monitors, if you ever find you need them, will also run smoother.
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From what I can tell OpenGL 2.0/2.1 support isn't required for all the graphical sizzle. Then again that might only apply to the FX5200 and GMA 950.

Core Image alone might be enough for older discrete cards.
 
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