New MacPro already

[kennyisalive]

How many phones does Apple have to sell to make up for the loss of one Mac Pro? Realistically, the consumer user base they have now is driven by iPhone sales and Mac sales are a drop in the bucket. Apple doesn't need the "Pro" market to hold up the user base any longer. They don't need us telling everyone how awesome the user experience is, or how great the hardware is. People experience it every day with the iPhone.

They really don't want to sell us a true workstation, and their vision of a "Pro" machine is a tablet. The desktop PC may be dying a slow death, but Apple has already moved on.

I would love to be wrong, but I think Apple's Pro users have been put out to pasture.

This is where I think people become shortsighted.

Yes, the Pro market isn't a lucrative piece of the $ pie.... but it creates lust and creates a sense of luxury that brands like Apple need in order to maintain their relevance at such high tiers.

In addition, you have professional evangelists that do much of the leg work in terms of word-of-mouth marketing to their peers in several industries... once professionals ditch the platform, OS X will lose relevancy in multiple industries and will only end up in the hands of mainstream consumers. Macs used to be a must-have in terms of Desktop Publishing and Video Editing. Hell, they were the biggest proponents for professionals to use their machines back in the day... And what about now? Now they spend more time finessing stupid ****ing emojis that shoot confetti out of their buttholes...

Now, Apple is trying to create a sense of lust and luxury with their stupid watch and marketing it as a luxury product. But that's where they're ****ing up.

A new Mac Pro wouldn't just symbolize it as the Ferrari of sorts for Apple, it would create legitimate support over a rock solid OS with a rock solid machine.

They're harming their reputation by demoting their standards to be on par with mainstream consumers and OS X will ultimately be doomed to become a platform for the mainstream sheep.

But hey, soon I'll be able type big emojis with fireworks on OS X!

 

[thebackdrifter]

I know that Adobe CC and all the other major programs I work with are pretty much the same on Windows but I cannot get past the horrible Windows file system and UI.

I really hope that they either release a new mac pro machine for me to upgrade to or give us the ability to build our own OS X Pro workstations. The stability of OS X and its file system are the main reasons why I won't switch unless its completely necessary. Also quick look is an wonderful exclusive feature that I use on a daily basis to find the correct file to open. I miss it dreadfully when I have to switch over to one of the windows computers at the office.

 

[thats all folks]

Two camps here.

1. high end/pro doesn't matter. iPhones, iPads drive the customer base now. those folks will also be drawn to MacBooks and Apple services. Apple can then abandon Intel if they want and transition the "computer" lineup to ARM. a new age of computing is born. rainbows shooting out of innovative a$$ess everywhere.

2. high end/pro still pushes a halo effect. as Apple's offerings become less useful (or useless) for an ever growing amount of professionals/businesses the software that drives those efforts shifts more and more to Windows/Linux. running a business requires those OSes, getting a job requires proficiency on those OSes, colleges shift to only those OSes, the high schools shift to those OSes, the kids want computers using those OSes, families shift to buying (mostly Windows) computers. the future consumers, programmers, content creators, operators grow up in a world where getting things done happens on Windows/Linux... and with no Apple on the desktop, a reduced draw for Apple in the hand.

But what about the cloud? yes, software as a service, cloud/remote storage and processing... these deprecate the value of local power, with backend machines running Linux and Windows. but also, the shift to interacting with software through a browser or with the local machine being not much more than a dumb terminal, reduces that value of that local machine. Apple in that scenario could remain valuable and important, or, it could become a commodity just like all the others, once all you need to do is run Firefox. but doesn't that whole argument run counter to the exact reason given for the iPad Pro existing? that the device in front of you can do more (large screen, multitasking, processing power, storage...) So what's the message? bigger, more powerful and capable machines are better or, we are post the raw power era and thinness is all that's left to conquer?

Regardless, keeping a Mac Pro (or an X-Mac or a high powered Mini) in the lineup is not a difficult task for Apple. It's an Intel machine. the development cost is certainly low. Apple is already dong design and development of Intel machines with all their other computer offerings. the Pro machines are built from the same DNA. or Intel will design a motherboard for them if Apple doesn't want to at all. beyond that, Apple already knows how to design a computer in a box and already knows how to leverage 3rd party vendors and fabricators to kit and build them.

Those machines will sell in enough quantity to justify their existence. they wont make iPhone money but if volume is the only mark of value, shouldn't Apple clear out the probably 70% (or more) of their steaming and downloadable offering? the apps, tracks and movies that aren't popular, that aren't consumed in large volumes?

We don't know what Apple is doing. but I think we know what it is that they are exhibiting, dismissive arrogance (sorry, courage).

 

[pat500000]

I know that Adobe CC and all the other major programs I work with are pretty much the same on Windows but I cannot get past the horrible Windows file system and UI.

I really hope that they either release a new mac pro machine for me to upgrade to or give us the ability to build our own OS X Pro workstations. The stability of OS X and its file system are the main reasons why I won't switch unless its completely necessary. Also quick look is an wonderful exclusive feature that I use on a daily basis to find the correct file to open. I miss it dreadfully when I have to switch over to one of the windows computers at the office.

I heard good things about 6,1 mp with adobe products...but i don't know...
[doublepost=1476122913][/doublepost]I hate when apple doesn't tell us anything whether it's discontinuation or new refresh. Whenever I buy a product from Apple, I always hear next refresh coming within 6 months...(after 2 week period).

 

[ActionableMango]

It's hard to believe all that investment went into the tooling and manufacturing facility of the nMP, for possibly only a single generation of product.

I'm sure that wasn't the plan. I think one of the following has happened:

• We'll see a 7,1 some day and it's just very late (like a lot of Mac models).
• The 6,1 was a sales failure and we're seeing the last of the line.
• The 6,1 sold just fine but Apple's priorities and strategies are changing from those back when the 6,1 was first being planned (I assume around 5 years ago).

 

[jeff7117]

This is where I think people become shortsighted.

Yes, the Pro market isn't a lucrative piece of the $ pie.... but it creates lust and creates a sense of luxury that brands like Apple need in order to maintain their relevance at such high tiers.

In addition, you have professional evangelists that do much of the leg work in terms of word-of-mouth marketing to their peers in several industries... once professionals ditch the platform, OS X will lose relevancy in multiple industries and will only end up in the hands of mainstream consumers. Macs used to be a must-have in terms of Desktop Publishing and Video Editing. Hell, they were the biggest proponents for professionals to use their machines back in the day... And what about now? Now they spend more time finessing stupid ****ing emojis that shoot confetti out of their buttholes...

Now, Apple is trying to create a sense of lust and luxury with their stupid watch and marketing it as a luxury product. But that's where they're ****ing up.

A new Mac Pro wouldn't just symbolize it as the Ferrari of sorts for Apple, it would create legitimate support over a rock solid OS with a rock solid machine.

They're harming their reputation by demoting their standards to be on par with mainstream consumers and OS X will ultimately be doomed to become a platform for the mainstream sheep.

But hey, soon I'll be able type big emojis with fireworks on OS X!

I agree with the luxury statement, and before the nMP, I think the luxury halo effect driven by the Pro users was legitimate. However, actions speak much louder than words, and look at Apples actions in the Pro market. They killed off most of their Pro apps, killed off their server market, and delivered a Pro machine that was designed for form over function. Granted, there are some users that love the nMP, but most would never give up their cMP tower for a nMP, I know I haven't. We are currently past 1000 days since any kind of refresh or update was made to the nMP. What kind of message is that supposed to send to the Pro market? It's not that hard to update the CPU, or storage over that kind of time frame.

The Mac professional evangelists are starting to wake up to the fact that PC's still exist, and are much more flexible and faster than the current Apple offerings. I have seen several local post houses who have been Mac based for over 15 years start switching to PC's. Several Mac freelancers I work with have bought their first PC ever this year. Why are they switching? Because Apple is sending the signal, whether or not they intend to, that their commitment to the Mac Pro platform is not a priority. Lack of updates, lack of information about product updates and 3 year old hardware were a huge factor in their decisions to switch.

Apple has had an amazing shift in revenue over the years. I don't blame them for focusing on a mass market consumer product that generates a crap load of revenue vs. a small and dying desktop PC industry. They don't need the creative market like they used to, and really, does any of us think Tim cares about design or computers like Steve did? Apple, like most other companies, focuses on the bottom line. Halo effect or not, it's not the computers that are bringing in new customers, it's the phones and watches. What's the first thing you see when you walk into an Apple store? It ain't a desktop.

 

[pat500000]

It seems the new mac pro is almost done.....the new campus.

Phil S.: "Ladies and gentlemen...i present you the new mac pro!"
"this baby will draw all the electricity from the city."

 

[cube]

http://gizmodo.com/apple-wont-give-us-a-new-mac-pro-so-samsung-is-selling-1787632522

 

[ThomasJefferson]

There will be no more "Pro" desktop from Tim Cook.
His vision is directed towards fashion accessories.
Gaudy and ostentatious has become the norm.
http://www.claires.com/us/

 

[ManuelGomes]

cube, also posted it in the other thread.
Funny how Samsung just keeps following.
Seen the port bay? Looks familiar?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10744...360-audio-i5-i7-plus-nvme-preorders-from-1200

 

[JimGoshorn]

It seems the new mac pro is almost done.....the new campus.

So when are they going to start building the iCampus which would be a similar look but atop of a single column?

 

[pat500000]

So when are they going to start building the iCampus which would be a similar look but atop of a single column?

who knows.....(x-file theme)

 

[JimGoshorn]

who knows.....(x-file theme)

OK, that just creates an image of Tim, Phil and Jony coming out of a saucer wearing those silver 1950's alien costumes with the glass circular helmets...

 

[dj23andMe]

Dell just refreshed the XPS 13 to 7th edition Intel processors: Ubuntu Linux 16.04 or Windows 10. The 15 inch Macbook Pro uses 4th generation CPUs. This happened on Tim Cook's watch. See you all mid 2017 for the MBP update (we hope).

http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd

http://www.cio.com/article/3119876/linux/linus-torvalds-picks-dell-xps-13-as-his-next-laptop.html

 

[pat500000]

OK, that just creates an image of Tim, Phil and Jony coming out of a saucer wearing those silver 1950's alien costumes with the glass circular helmets...

I think we should petition for them to leave with change.org.

 

[JimGoshorn]

I think we should petition for them to leave with change.org.

Never work. If they don't care enough to listen to their customers, do you think they will even care about a petition? They're probably going to stay there until they are long past old, gray and toothless

 

[pat500000]

Never work. If they don't care enough to listen to their customers, do you think they will even care about a petition? They're probably going to stay there until they are long past old, gray and toothless

.....sigh.....we can make a youtube video of compilation of people sighing.....and sent it to Cook.

 

[Bubba Satori]

.....sigh.....we can make a youtube video of compilation of people sighing.....and sent it to Cook.

That might actually get him excited.
And then we would get new sighing emojis.
Stay tuned.

 

[JimGoshorn]

.....sigh.....we can make a youtube video of compilation of people sighing.....and sent it to Cook.

And do you sincerely think Tim is going to listen to that? If Tim's only response to all the emails, tweets and who knows what else is a rumored email saying that he loves Mac, I don't exactly have much confidence that he gets our concerns. Put another way, I bought a book on Windows 10 today.
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That might actually get him excited.
And then we would get new sighing emojis.
Stay tuned.

Gee, he might throw in some excited emojis. Yes, Yes, Yes...

 

[pat500000]

And do you sincerely think Tim is going to listen to that? If Tim's only response to all the emails, tweets and who knows what else is a rumored email saying that he loves Mac, I don't exactly have much confidence that he gets our concerns. Put another way, I bought a book on Windows 10 today.
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Gee, he might throw in some excited emojis. Yes, Yes, Yes...

Meh....I know he ain't gonna give bitten apple's a** that's for sure. It kind of irks me when more people lean toward mbp series. Till I get used to another editing app...I'm pretty much stuck at the moment.

 

[JimGoshorn]

It kind of irks me when more people lean toward mbp series.

Well, if you want to stay with OS X, it's not like Apple is leaving you with many options

So far, I have changed all my iWork files to Office and my Notability notes to OneNote. Still trying to figure out best way of handling email. Anything else I will probably leave on the Mac and use it when required. Not thrilled but I'm not a DIY type to redo the 2009 cMP I have just to put off the inevitable for a couple of years. Like I said, it's not like we are left with many options.

 

[pat500000]

Well, if you want to stay with OS X, it's not like Apple is leaving you with many options

So far, I have changed all my iWork files to Office and my Notability notes to OneNote. Still trying to figure out best way of handling email. Anything else I will probably leave on the Mac and use it when required. Not thrilled but I'm not a DIY type to redo the 2009 cMP I have just to put off the inevitable for a couple of years. Like I said, it's not like we are left with many options.

The problem with me is I want to leave (honestly) but I use FCP series...x especially. I don't work well with Adobe...and I know FCP 7 is similar to it. I'm currently trying adobe premiere on someone's else computer for time being. You sound more ready/ or already transitioned to window. That's good. I'm a later guy...and actually ordered z series.

 

[monkeybagel]

I remember there used to be the "waiting for ..." threads.

I for one certainly do not miss the "waiting for Haswell" and "waiting for Broadwell" as these threads clutter the forums and who really cares if someone is delaying a PC purchase or not? There is no need to announce it to everyone. I say to those people - buy one if you want one, and don't if you don't.

 

[apple_iBoy]

2. high end/pro still pushes a halo effect. as Apple's offerings become less useful (or useless) for an ever growing amount of professionals/businesses the software that drives those efforts shifts more and more to Windows/Linux. running a business requires those OSes, getting a job requires proficiency on those OSes, colleges shift to only those OSes, the high schools shift to those OSes, the kids want computers using those OSes, families shift to buying (mostly Windows) computers. the future consumers, programmers, content creators, operators grow up in a world where getting things done happens on Windows/Linux... and with no Apple on the desktop, a reduced draw for Apple in the hand.

You're on to something here.

A decade ago, things were so exciting on the Mac front. Microsoft was stumbling badly with its Windows releases, and Macs were getting first-run access at the newest chips from Intel. Universities were snapping up Mac Pros and Xserves to build supercomputers. Macs got a lot of screen time on the science shows whenever a researcher was being interviewed at her desk, or on the movie extras whenever they were talking to an animator or editor.

Boy, how quickly things can change.

I chair a STEM Education teacher training program, housed in a engineering school.

A few short years ago, almost every high school in our state had Macs running Final Cut Pro. Every one of our college students took a multimedia design course in a lab of Mac Pros.

Around the era of the FCP to FCX transition, many if not a majority of the high schools decided to ditch Final Cut and move to Adobe Premiere, and a lot of them transitioned to Windows machines. The instructor of that multimedia course no longer requests the Mac lab. There are other machines on campus that render the files faster.

I'm not even sure what the future is of our Mac Pro labs. I know we keep a few around for photo op purposes, but I'm not sure that IT is going to continue refreshing them.

At least half or more of our students choose some variety of MacBook for their own computer. But I've noticed that those students training to be high school engineering education students are veering once again back to Windows laptops. They can run design software like Inventor or SolidWorks without the Boot Camp headache, and they have more up to date discrete graphics options. The kids with MacBooks are holding on to them longer (why update? Apple doesn't), but that leads to a creeping perception that they're slower. Many of them are several OS editions behind, which causes some issues when we try to use common software.

I hope Apple knows what it's throwing away.

 

[monkeybagel]

You're on to something here.

A decade ago, things were so exciting on the Mac front. Microsoft was stumbling badly with its Windows releases, and Macs were getting first-run access at the newest chips from Intel. Universities were snapping up Mac Pros and Xserves to build supercomputers. Macs got a lot of screen time on the science shows whenever a researcher was being interviewed at her desk, or on the movie extras whenever they were talking to an animator or editor.

Boy, how quickly things can change.

I chair a STEM Education teacher training program, housed in a engineering school.

A few short years ago, almost every high school in our state had Macs running Final Cut Pro. Every one of our college students took a multimedia design course in a lab of Mac Pros.

Around the era of the FCP to FCX transition, many if not a majority of the high schools decided to ditch Final Cut and move to Adobe Premiere, and a lot of them transitioned to Windows machines. The instructor of that multimedia course no longer requests the Mac lab. There are other machines on campus that render the files faster.

I'm not even sure what the future is of our Mac Pro labs. I know we keep a few around for photo op purposes, but I'm not sure that IT is going to continue refreshing them.

At least half or more of our students choose some variety of MacBook for their own computer. But I've noticed that those students training to be high school engineering education students are veering once again back to Windows laptops. They can run design software like Inventor or SolidWorks without the Boot Camp headache, and they have more up to date discrete graphics options. The kids with MacBooks are holding on to them longer (why update? Apple doesn't), but that leads to a creeping perception that they're slower. Many of them are several OS editions behind, which causes some issues when we try to use common software.

I hope Apple knows what it's throwing away.

I agree. Apple could really exploit the fact Microsoft has been including ads in their Enterprise operating systems since Windows 8, and all of the privacy issues surrounding Windows 10 right now, but they are not. They seem to be focused around the curve striking up more subscription music deals, etc. They are leaving the crumbs as they aparently see them to the other folks. The are just taking the strategy and the accidental success of the iPod and multiplying it x100.