You sir(?) are the exception. The 1 in 5 was family stat. The times I have reached out to Apple for help, unless it was an easy fix, the iTunes path was frequently raised.
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New MBP price = *speechless*
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You sir(?) are the exception. The 1 in 5 was family stat. The times I have reached out to Apple for help, unless it was an easy fix, the iTunes path was frequently raised.
I also have a pretty big problem with the connectivity of this new computer. We've seen basically USB-A, USB-C/TB3, Firewire, TB1/2 and to an extent HDMI all adopted as some sort of "standard" in the last 10 years. Computers last 3-5 years now and we're betting 100% on USB-C/TB3 as the omni port. I just don't see it. That's what TB1/2 was supposed to be and it just never really turned out that way. USB-A remained highly useful, Firewire devices still lived on, and then USB-C came too and displays never really used TB1/2, but rather took to HDMI. If Apple had built a 100% TB system in 2011, I'd have never actually used a TB device on that 2011 MBP. So what happens now when USB-C/TB3 isn't backwards compatible with TB2 and the next thing comes along that isn't compatible with it either? We have to rebuy all those dongles and docking stations a second time and the computer we bought ended up never or only briefly actually using the USB-C/TB3 port directly (ok except for charging, where magsafe is better anyway).
Well, define reasonable? Getting a 2 year old 13" laptop for $1300-$1600, doesn't seem that reasonable to me. Maybe if they had spec bumped the classic design, or even converted a single USB-A to USB-C, that would GREAT.
Because I wanted the 12" rMB for the super light weight & Retina screen & form factor, I wanted the 2016 model, and I don't need a rMBP. I assessed my needs and this is what I decided was right for *my* use case. YMMV.
You must have got a really good deal! The retail price for the maxed out 15" MBP in 2009 was $2,299 (2.8GHz, 500GB HDD). But again, we saw a huge drop in price with the first spec bump for that generation. The 2009 2.53GHz model was $1,699 MSRP, a whopping $800 less than a model with the same CPU speed in 2008. I'm sure we'll see a similar update and price drop to the 2016 MBPs in late 2017, and that shouldn't surprise anyone. It's business as usual at Apple.
It's 2.66 GHz, so not the top. Memory is fuzzy! I think I paid $2199 for the base retina model in 2012. It seems like it keeps creeping up (the base models, at least).
Nothing against the Dell XPS 13. Not saying that it is not a great laptop. User upgradability has always been a strength for PCs anyways.
I'm personally not convinced how useful the Touch Bar would be. However, personally, TouchID is a welcome addition for me.
The Non Touch Bar uses 15W Sky Lake while the Touch Bar version uses 28W Sky Lake. All the Dell XPS 13 uses 15W Kaby Lake. I assume that the 28W Sky Lake version would outperform the 15W Kaby Lake
For the SSD speed, looking at the "Hard Drive Speed Test" on LaptopMag shows a big difference between the XPS 13 (339.31 megabytes/sec) and MBP 13 (508.9 megabytes/sec)
Again, nothing against Dell. Just find that the uproar over the MBP price a little hillarious. I haven't really looked at the MBP 15 though, so maybe that's where the prices gets truly ridiculous?
Well, to be fair, I just find the MBP 15 prices a bit ridiculous, since I personally don't even plan on getting a MBP 13. Whats speed without capacity? Just saying, a $2399 15inch laptop (some even use this as a desktop replacement) that has a 256GB SSD (At that price, the previous gen. came with 512GB). In addition, you have to BTO (add $200 for base config MBP 15) to get the Radeon Pro 460, the preconfigured higher model MBP 15 ($2799 which comes with 512GB SSD and a 0.1Ghz higher clocked i7) only comes with the Radeon Pro 455, so even that requires you to BTO (add $100 onto the $2799) to get the 460... I mean why? lol, I kind of question why they even bother to offer the 455 Radeon Pro tbh...
I checked the Dell XPS 15 pricing and options compared to the MBP 15. The XPS 15 does seem like a much better value with a huge difference in price
After seeing the price jump for the new MacBook Pros, I am holding on to my 2011 13" and I just acquired a 2011 15" - I would have liked to get a 2012 model with USB 3.0, but I think that these are going to command a high price on the second-hand market given the price of the new MacBook models.
I was planning to purchase a 13" MBP with the TouchBar. No way am I paying those kind of prices for a laptop that will only last me 3-5 years. I will either hold out until the current rMB dies (at which point I will switch to a PC) or I'll wait for Apple to lower the prices.
I don't see them selling many laptops this way.
I don't see them selling many laptops this way.
I'm not buying till the offer 512 ssd for base model. Just got one for my 2011 mbp for 120€. Maybe next year Tim.
Snap. It's the little things like this where Apple takes advantage that annoy me. They purchase in bulk and get them much cheaper than what we have to pay to upgrade.
At the time 2006 that Apple switched to the intel chips the apple tax had mostly vanished. I bought a imac then and when you configured it or windows systems with the same cpu/memory/graphics they were all withing a few dollars of each other. The only thing that was different was you could chose spend a bunch of money on a higher end video for the PC.
When you compared the original macbook pros and air to their windows equivalent they were largely very close in price.
Now the macbook is the new air and is more expensive than comparable systems. The new macbook pro is even worse. It looks like it's now reinstated the apple tax of $500 and probably closer to $1000 for the top end systems.
Disappointing. Not that the new systems aren't very nice, but the prices are a big ask. Especially with the dropping of the connectivity. With just the usb-c ports if you get a macbook or macbook pro you end up having to add the price of adapters, new cables and or docks. For me when I checked was about $100 on the low side and the high side with a lightning dock might be $599-600.
Fortunately I'm not in the position that I have to (or really need to) make the choice now.
When you compared the original macbook pros and air to their windows equivalent they were largely very close in price.
Now the macbook is the new air and is more expensive than comparable systems. The new macbook pro is even worse. It looks like it's now reinstated the apple tax of $500 and probably closer to $1000 for the top end systems.
Disappointing. Not that the new systems aren't very nice, but the prices are a big ask. Especially with the dropping of the connectivity. With just the usb-c ports if you get a macbook or macbook pro you end up having to add the price of adapters, new cables and or docks. For me when I checked was about $100 on the low side and the high side with a lightning dock might be $599-600.
Fortunately I'm not in the position that I have to (or really need to) make the choice now.
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Let's answer your imagination with the reality of the situation:
Casey;: Neistat's comprehensive first impression:
He pretty much confirms what I said there. I know there'll be days when he can't edit vlogs because he can't find his dongles.
iJustine is saying the same thing. It's frustrating. Apple is a genius for figuring out the location of the charging port on their mouse...
Anyone want to share their bags of dongles? LOL.
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I'm buying one. I have been dithering over whether to go for the 2015 rMBP or the new 2016. In the end I have decided to go for the 2016. I'm upgrading from a 2008 Macbook unibody.
I recently won a prize which without using it I flipped for £1,800 GBP so I'm using that cash to pay for a 2016 model with 512GB, not yet decided about the RAM but I think I might stick with 8GB because I'm not a power user.
I also think dongle life is going to be less of an issue for me. I have a Mac Mini which has USB-A, HDMI, SD Card so I think I'll go with the newer model.
I recently won a prize which without using it I flipped for £1,800 GBP so I'm using that cash to pay for a 2016 model with 512GB, not yet decided about the RAM but I think I might stick with 8GB because I'm not a power user.
I also think dongle life is going to be less of an issue for me. I have a Mac Mini which has USB-A, HDMI, SD Card so I think I'll go with the newer model.
they could have kept Haswell and it a MBP running Mac OS would still be faster and better than a Windows rattle box running KL. It's not about the processor, it's about the how the software controls the hardware. If you need to have something spec'd up to feel better than by all means get a windows machine that will last 3 years or less.
Another excuse on "why didn't Apple use latest hardware".
there is a difference between excuses and facts. and if you understood that KL doesn't yet have a quad core version then you'd understand it's Intel and not Apple who is at fault here. But you seem to prefer trolling without facts first.
I'd put the appropriate Skylake based MBP up against a decked out KL windows machine any day. IN fact it's been done several times, just hit up youtube, Jonathan Morrison did one recently. Apple people don't cry like windows folks over spec, true apple people. we have superior software that makes up for it in ever way. Performance and experience.
You miss the point. I am asking why Apple did not use the latest / greatest in their new versions.
I am looking for legitimate reasons instead of platitudes. If quad-core lack is a reason, great!
What I see far too much of are rationalizations on why the latest and greatest wasn't used instead of actual reasons. Recycled platitudes.
I just gave you the reason..How am I rationalizing or missing any points? Repudiate much??? You have your reason, so now what? And like I said it DOESN'T MATTER because these machines outperform the latest KL Windows machines. So move on to the next topic.