New Microsoft Ad Campaign Targets Mac Prices

[Anuba]

Well I have gone through four machines, all of them suffered by it. You do realize that you need to run the same program to prove the point. If you want to see if yours suffers from it, do the following. Install the latest World of Warcraft expansion, set all your settings to high and play it for a couple for hours, then tell me if you get the BSOD. I can replicate it every-time. The thin design contributes to the cooling issues, and yes I can absolutely say that the FANs do not kick-in fast enough, People who game on MBPs are forced to run third party fan controllers.

Are you running Vista 64-bit?

It should be noted that the only Mac with official BootCamp support for 64-bit Vista at this time is the Mac Pro. It's Vista 32 for you until Apple gets their thumbs out of their butts and releases BootCamp 3.0 (or whatever version number it gets).

 

[VoR]

Why? Could it not be that windows is unstable.

No, like has been said 500 times in this thread (in response to some pretty ridiculous claims), windows runs fine if you haven't bodged its driver install - and that's only really likely to happen if you 'think' you know what you're doing.

OSX is a bit more resilient to random tinkering because on apple's hardware, everything is included and system drivers are something you don't deal with.

 

[3282868]

I just dont get how people can defend MS's stuff and then come onto a Mac board, without their real reason being that they were looking for trouble.

This is a very interesting fact. Individuals have been on Macrumors for years defending Windows machines while avoiding FUD and baiting people into debate, seeming to be objective advocates of both while all but admitting their disdain for Apple products. I have yet to read any comments from these individuals that praise Apple products in any way. This begs the question, why have they been long term patrons of a fan site of a company they most definitely do not appreciate? "Viral Marketing" has been around for years, it's a very intelligently directed tactic and very effective in swaying the general publics opinion. Companies such as Microsoft employee individuals and/or teams with the sole purpose of doing just that, spreading word of mouth and attempting to sway opinions, especially on sites dedicated to their competition. "Viral Advertising" has been used by such directors and producers as J.J. Abrams, most recently his "Cloverfield" movie and ad campaign that set up fake websites and part-time web site frequenters who establish persona's online. It sounds a bit much and while it usually is not taken to extremes, it's easy money for people to do part-time and a very effective strategy. Billions are on the line so any thing is possible.

 

[MH01]

Are you running Vista 64-bit?

It should be noted that the only Mac with official BootCamp support for 64-bit Vista at this time is the Mac Pro. It's Vista 32 for you until Apple gets their thumbs out of their butts and releases BootCamp 3.0 (or whatever version number it gets).

Nope this was under Os X.

I do not actually run vista on the MBP. I found the apple drivers to be so damn flacky I removed it. They may have matured since, not sure.

 

[Anuba]

Actually it did happen prior to SP1, nVidia updating their craptastic drivers and some hotfixes. I had it occurr a couple of times with Civ IV: BTS.

Of course it hasn't happened for nearly a year now but it was an issue for a few months on some games.

Oh, OK.

I started using Vista on the official release date (Jan 31, 2007 I think it was...) and a couple of the drivers were indeed craptastic at the time, Intel's wireless driver being one and nVidia being the other. That's when I saw the video driver crashes, but those weren't BSOD, just user mode style blank screen+recover. They releaased an update after a month or so and I've only seen one nVidia driver crash since then (with the latest driver actually).

 

[Sehnsucht]

Yeah. Typically Microsoft keeps a system in mainstream support for 5 years, then moves it to extended for 5 years (hence, my guess is that Win2K support ends this year since it was released in 1999). For XP though, they've extended it to a total of 13 years due to the fact that it's been sold in parallel with Vista.

You mean, because people preferred to stay with XP because Vista sucked so much.

This is why corporations stick with Windows, when you have 50,000 people on computers you need predictability and Apple are just too whimsical. One day some port disappears, the next day they throw the whole system out and replace it with another one, the next day they switch CPU manufacturer... that's fine for home users and small businesses but would cause pandemonium at a large corporation.

Motorola, PowerPC, Intel. That's three. Over a period of 25 years. I don't think there's any danger of Apple switching again...I mean what other architecture is there? Cell Broadband? SPARC? Historically, Apple stays on top of the game and doesn't hang on to legacy ports for years after they become obsolete, as is the case with PC laptops and their clusterf*ck of serial ports, dial-up ports, S-video ports, VGA ports, etc., that nobody uses.

 

[VoR]

This is a very interesting fact. Individuals have been on Macrumors for years defending Windows machines while avoiding FUD and baiting people into debate, seeming to be objective advocates of both while all but admitting their disdain for Apple products. I have yet to read any comments from these individuals that praise Apple products in any way. This begs the question, why have they been long term patrons of a fan site of a company they most definitely do not appreciate? I have read a few articles and comments regarding Microsoft forming an advertising team for online word of mouth purposed. "Viral Marketing" has been around for years, it's a very intelligently directed tactic and very effective in swaying the general publics opinion.

Maybe you havn't been reading half the posts on this thread. If you filter out the youtube-esque bias posts by 12 year olds on either side of the fence, maybe you'll see that in general, the people complaining in this thread are on topic, and talking about value for money. Apple make fine hardware, it's everyone choice if they want to pay extra for the same components, wrapped up in a shiny case and most importantly(?) for osx as an operating system.

 

[3282868]

Maybe you havn't been reading half the posts on this thread. If you filter out the youtube-esque bias posts by 12 year olds on either side of the fence, maybe you'll see that in general, the people complaining in this thread are on topic, and talking about value for money. Apple make fine hardware, it's everyone choice if they want to pay extra for the same components, wrapped up in a shiny case and most importantly(?) for osx as an operating system.

I never stated anything about the price issue, you just did, thanks for making my point .

 

[Anuba]

I have read a few articles and comments regarding Microsoft forming an advertising team for online word of mouth purposed. "Viral Marketing" has been around for years, it's a very intelligently directed tactic and very effective in swaying the general publics opinion.

Tin foil hat alert and zealotry at its worst: If someone criticizes Apple, it can't possibly be genuine, they must be on Microsoft's payroll...

 

[MH01]

This is a very interesting fact. Individuals have been on Macrumors for years defending Windows machines while avoiding FUD and baiting people into debate, seeming to be objective advocates of both while all but admitting their disdain for Apple products. I have yet to read any comments from these individuals that praise Apple products in any way. This begs the question, why have they been long term patrons of a fan site of a company they most definitely do not appreciate? I have read a few articles and comments regarding Microsoft forming an advertising team for online word of mouth purposed. "Viral Marketing" has been around for years, it's a very intelligently directed tactic and very effective in swaying the general publics opinion.

Did you by chance consider that some of us are users of BOTH apple and microsoft products? Yes there are people out there that like and use both. The reason we stick up for Vista etc, is cause certain Mac only users make some complete incorrect assumptions/statements about microsoft products. No its not some conspiracy theory, I work with PCs and all my home computers are Macs (except one gaming PC). I also live in the UK....and we just got hit for a 20%-30% increase in Apple prices...so that is why i am pissed.

 

[WeegieMac]

Something that's been brought up in this thread continually is the cost factor.

I got my iMac for £612.47 after taking advantage of an RBS employee scheme via my Father in Law. The system should have cost £782, and is the previous 20" entry level model with the following specifications:

2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo.
6MB L2 cache.
250GB Western Digital Hard Drive.
4GB 800MHz DDR2 SDRAM. (Cost £39.09 as upgrade from Crucial.com/uk).
ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT 128MB GDDR3.

So at a total cost of £651.56 I have a system which I personally feel is great value for money. My previous iMac, a 17" Core Duo system from the Intel "launch", cost me £929 ... quite a difference in cost there.

Add to that the form factor of the iMac's all in one design, something a PC cannot match, and I'm one very happy (fourth time) iMac owner.

 

[VoR]

I never stated anything about the price issue, you just did, thanks for making my point .

No, you were talking about microsoft employing people to comment on message boards? (again)
Strangely, I chose to ignore that part of your post.

 

[3282868]

Tin foil hat alert and zealotry at its worst: If someone criticizes Apple, it can't possibly be genuine, they must be on Microsoft's payroll...

If anyone is crazy it's someone who posts for years on a website devoted to a company they do not like, which you have admitted to numerous times on this thread.

Your life called, it'd like you back.

Lord, I should go back to ignoring you like everyone else seems to have, it's the only way to keep you from coming back. It's like air to you isn't it? Baiting and insulting people.

 

[3282868]

No, you were talking about microsoft employing people to comment on message boards? (again)
Strangely, I chose to ignore that part of your post.

I never STATED that i believe it, I stated it has been used as an advertising tactic (google "viral marketing" and/or "jj abrams" as an example).

Wow, my comment seems to have sparked up all the MS people. Guess I hit a nerve. +1 Hmmmm.

 

[MH01]

Motorola, PowerPC, Intel. That's three. Over a period of 25 years. I don't think there's any danger of Apple switching again...I mean what other architecture is there? Cell Broadband? SPARC? Historically, Apple stays on top of the game and doesn't hang on to legacy ports for years after they become obsolete, as is the case with PC laptops and their clusterf*ck of serial ports, dial-up ports, S-video ports, VGA ports, etc., that nobody uses.

AMD.

 

[BongoBanger]

Oh, OK.

I started using Vista on the official release date (Jan 31, 2007 I think it was...) and a couple of the drivers were indeed craptastic at the time, Intel's wireless driver being one and nVidia being the other. That's when I saw the video driver crashes, but those weren't BSOD, just user mode style blank screen+recover. They releaased an update after a month or so and I've only seen one nVidia driver crash since then (with the latest driver actually).

Oh yeah, I mean Vista's fine now although it took its time to get there. I currently use Vista HP x64 on my desktop and it's really good. It's just a shame that MS made an utter balls up of its launch.

To be honest, anyone insisting on XP as their MS OS on a consumer machine - unless it's a netbook - is just being silly because Vista's a better OS now than XP. It was not always so. Corporations are a bit different but then they tend to lag the technology curve by three to four years anyway.

 

[EmperorDarius]

Why? Could it not be that windows is unstable.

Like my PC repair man always says (we have three PC/window laptops) if the majority of window users would use Macs then he would be out of a job. Just one example, but still....

Don't listen to them, it IS unstable. You see, they just can't accept it. If they accept that, there's nothing else they can defend about Windows.
Those are really misleading people.

 

[AidenShaw]

Why? Could it not be that windows is unstable.

Since that's not the general experience, I'd suspect that your IT department messed up the VM install, and the virtual Windows system has some bad drivers installed.

 

[Pnut13]

I said hardware and drivers.

With boot camp, you're running Vista drivers provided by Apple.

'nuff said.

wow you didnt read that i also ran Vista on my HP before it blew. It had the hardware and the drivers and it still crashed.


We get it, you love windows.
'nuff said



Pnut

 

[Anuba]

If anyone is crazy it's someone who posts for years on a website devoted to a company they do not like, which you have admitted to numerous times on this thread.

There you go again thinking that everything must be black and white, that you can't like Apple's products but hate the company; that you can like iPhones but hate Macs, that you can love MacBooks but hate iMacs... things are not black and white. OK? Some things just make people schizo. I love my iPhone, but at the same time I feel like I'm giving my money to fascists. Some of us (and I'm far from alone, as this thread shows) simply have a love/hate relationship with Apple. Deal with it or move on.

Lord, I should go back to ignoring you

Please do, because your incessant yapping about how straaaaaaaaaaaaaange it is that someone would register in twooooo thousand FIIIIIVE and post here without being an obedient Apple slave is beyond pathetic. Yeah sure, I'm a "viral marketer" for Microsoft, didn't you know that all Swedish musicians have a hotline to Steve Ballmer? Also, grass is purple and bicycles have wings.

 

[3282868]

Some things just make people schizo.

Couldn't have stated it better.

Please do, because your incessant yapping about how straaaaaaaaaaaaaange it is that someone would register in twooooo thousand FIIIIIVE and post here without being an obedient Apple slave is beyond pathetic. Yeah sure, I'm a "viral marketer" for Microsoft, didn't you know that all Swedish musicians have a hotline to Steve Ballmer? Also, grass is purple and bicycles have wings.

Funny, isn't you who has been "yapping" forever on your poor iMac that failed on you and on and on. In fact, you attempted to personally slam me by stating it was only a handful, and wow, only a handful of a few dozen jumped on board and shot ya down .

Again, why are you here? Emotionally adjusted people would not frequent a website devoted to products they do not like, and not "just because they can", for years? That's tantamount to a heterosexual guy frequenting a gay bar for years "just because he can". Maybe you're a self-loathing Apple fanatic .

 

[spinnerlys]

You don't know???? iPhone typing with someone that types gas not keyboard and auto correct being wrong. See it all the time. Sorry that this is the best retort you can come up with. LOL

Thanks, at least now I understand. The how, but not the what.

But who cares in a thread that gains two pages in three hours on a topic that is already beaten to death.

Btw, are you also on the AI forum under the same username?

 

[Anuba]

Oh yeah, I mean Vista's fine now although it took its time to get there. I currently use Vista HP x64 on my desktop and it's really good. It's just a shame that MS made an utter balls up of its launch.

Yep, and it was unbelievable that an OS that was six years in the making wasn't ready for primetime. Considering how many features that were taken out by M$ due to time constraints, it was just inconceivable that the stuff that was left in wasn't borderline perfect. I got a definite Windows ME vibe from the whole thing.

To be honest, anyone insisting on XP as their MS OS on a consumer machine - unless it's a netbook - is just being silly because Vista's a better OS now than XP. It was not always so. Corporations are a bit different but then they tend to lag the technology curve by three to four years anyway.

Yeah, XP needs to go. I've had to keep it around for non-consumer reasons, as I use a lot of firewire audio stuff: A) It took aeons for these companies (Yamaha, TC Electronic, M-Audio and others) to release Vista drivers for their audio devices (up to 9 months after Vista was released to the public, i.e. a year after it was released to enterprises), and B) two years later they're still a little dodgy. Works much better on Win7 even at the beta stage, so I'm definitely looking forward to killing off XP for evvarrr.

 

[Anuba]

Again, why are you here?

A. You're not in a position to question anyone's presence here.

B. For the umpteenth time, I like some things about Apple and dislike other things. And even if I had loathed them unreservedly across the board, I would still have the right to post here and it would still not be any of your business. It's not "MacFanRumors" and it's not a requirement to be a hardcore Apple fan or even to own a single one of their products. And they make a wide range of products, it's not just about Macs - someone who owns fifty Windows PCs and a single iPod Shuffle would have an interest in this forum, too.

 

[Yoder54]

You get BSOD in Vista...?! Err... I've seen a lot of things, but never one of those. ...OK, you did say "BSOD" so that could mean black screen of death of course...

Yes, years of working on computers has trashed my vision, but I still see colors well. It is the 'Blue SOD.' It comes with the typical dumping memory, warnings, contact your admin, and what not. I to was shocked when I saw it for the first time. It started after an update, and despite roll-backs, etc. it is still there. The most frustrating is what Windows does to my registry. The only way I can fix Acrobat is to uninstall it, and then reinstall. I have had to due the latter three times now with various Adobe products that get hosed after Windows upgrades...which I avoid any more.

I have updated hardware, so I cannot blame old archaic hardware for my problems...I do know that many are a result of ATI drivers, that must be updated after every Windows update. But to say that I am not happy with Vista is a gross understatement. I should add that I just started using Mac's three years ago...now there is no looking back. I will continue to have a Windows box at home just to keep up with the OS, but that is the only reason.