New Microsoft Ad Campaign Targets Mac Prices

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opeter said:
The question is: what consumers really want?
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it's thingsnlike - younwant dedicated gpu, sorry $2000 grand please OR the mac book is preety sting now with GPU but sorry, no firwirse so no video camera so joe sloe consumer and especially the less than <.001 % pro user base. These are things that will someday haunt Apple.
 
600 Diapers?!

I'm sure somebody has probably asked this already but are the 600 diapers the catch all of the s*** that you get with windows?
 
MH01 said:
Well I have gone through four machines, all of them suffered by it. You do realize that you need to run the same program to prove the point. If you want to see if yours suffers from it, do the following. Install the latest World of Warcraft expansion, set all your settings to high and play it for a couple for hours, then tell me if you get the BSOD. I can replicate it every-time. The thin design contributes to the cooling issues, and yes I can absolutely say that the FANs do not kick-in fast enough, People who game on MBPs are forced to run third party fan controllers.
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Yeah, I realize that. Yes, all the same app, and no, they don't BSOD. We run a business though, so it's not WoW, it's a 3D CFD application. Sorry to hear about your luck, but it doesn't happen on EVERY MBP.

This particular app did BSOD HP workstation laptops running XP, and kernel panicked those same laptops when running SuSe 10.2. The MBPs do fine with it. Next?

Personal anecdotes don't make a fact. Mine is none more absolute than yours.
 
mosx said:
It doesn't bother me if someone likes a Mac and wants to buy one. What bothers me is that Apple apologists will flat out lie when it comes to defending Apple and making PCs look bad. Look at this thread. You have all kinds of people lying about how "bad" Windows is, saying things that have never been true. Trying to twist arguments as far as price is concerned, and just spreading general FUD that even the most computer illiterate Windows user knows is FUD.
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Well, Windows does suck. I run Vista Ultimate at home as well as Mac OS X. Vista is continually crashing, when it does an upgrade is trashes my registry...I still can't use Acrobat properly...I get a BSOD at least once a week and every other day I have problems booting up. I have used Windows since the DOS day, and now I am moving over to a Mac. The current state of the Windows OS is crap.

I am thinking of buying a 17" MacBook Pro. I spent two hours yesterday shopping for comparable Windows machines. The hard part was finding DDR3 in laptops. Every Windows machine that had comparable specifications as the Mac was $300 or more...I should say that I get an educational discount, but hey, these guys should give me one to. But, with the typical ed discount the cheapest Windows machine would have been the same. So, having equally priced computers the decision would get down to what OS do I prefer? A no-brainer in my book...Mac OS X. There is no way that I would ever buy another computer with Vista on it.
 
polaris20 said:
Yeah, I realize that. Yes, all the same app, and no, they don't BSOD. We run a business though, so it's not WoW, it's a 3D CFD application. Sorry to hear about your luck, but it doesn't happen on EVERY MBP.
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If I do not wow, its not an issue. Realistically its something I live with cause I only sometimes use the MBP for gaming. Yes I cannot say Every MBP, just from my experience and that of my mates who also use theirs for the same game, statistically it is high. As a Business machine it is great.
 
Yoder54 said:
Well, Windows does suck. I run Vista Ultimate at home as well as Mac OS X. Vista is continually crashing, when it does an upgrade is trashes my registry...I still can't use Acrobat properly...I get a BSOD at least once a week and every other day I have problems booting up. I have used Windows since the DOS day, and now I am moving over to a Mac. The current state of the Windows OS is crap.

I am thinking of buying a 17" MacBook Pro. I spent two hours yesterday shopping for comparable Windows machines. The hard part was finding DDR3 in laptops. Every Windows machine that had comparable specifications as the Mac was $300 or more...I should say that I get an educational discount, but hey, these guys should give me one to. But, with the typical ed discount the cheapest Windows machine would have been the same. So, having equally priced computers the decision would get down to what OS do I prefer? A no-brainer in my book...Mac OS X. There is no way that I would ever buy another computer with Vista on it.
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Can I ask why your basing your decision around DDR3? Your looking at a 2%-5% increase in performance, hardly worth the extra cost.

Google DDR2 v DDR3, you will not see a dramatic boost till i7 comes to laptops.

Here is one article
http://anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989
 
Yoder54 said:
Well, Windows does suck. I run Vista Ultimate at home as well as Mac OS X. Vista is continually crashing, when it does an upgrade is trashes my registry...I still can't use Acrobat properly...I get a BSOD at least once a week and every other day I have problems booting up. I have used Windows since the DOS day, and now I am moving over to a Mac. The current state of the Windows OS is crap.
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Sounds like user error.
 
Well played.

I have to say that even though there is no way I will ever purchase another PC again [unless I'm in need a linux laptop] this is the best ad their millions of dollars have put together so far. As a creative director I've expected more from Microsoft than anything they've put together thus far. Their product will never [again] appeal to myself as "I've seen the light" however, their marketing team has disappointed me far beyond their product. They start at a lower price point and with our economy they must try to use that to their advantage.
 
AppleMatt said:
It makes out she's a regular-Jo. But it turns out she's an actress:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/165113.asp
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j21_czE2W3qfqjnCXv_pZEimzGNQD975VIA80

Not that I'm shocked - adverts use actors. Just it's a bit misleading, in my eyes.

It's on Daring Fireball too but couldn't be bothered to find the article link.

AppleMatt
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Wow, really? What about Apple using Justin Long in their commercials 'acting' like a Mac? Justin Long is much more famous than this PC girl. Don't be a hypocrite.
 
polaris20 said:
Sounds like user error.
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Not really, apart from the BSOD, the crashes are pretty much normal once you start installing applications.:rolleyes:

arodvb said:
Wow, really? What about Apple using Justin Long in their commercials 'acting' like a Mac? Justin Long is much more famous than this PC girl. Don't be a hypocrite.
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You do understand that Apple's ad don't NEED real people, while this ad doesn't make sense at all without some real person?
And what about Apple's other ads, when they interviewed single individuals? They weren't actors.
 
EmperorDarius said:
Not really, apart from the BSOD, the crashes are pretty much normal once you start installing applications.:rolleyes:
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I don't see this problem on my planet.

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By the way, just got a lovely banner ad on this page:
 

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The Beauty of Subsidization

Although you can get a 17" HP Pavilion for under $700, it's built with much poorer parts, and is preloaded with a bunch of Windows add-ins that only bog down your machine. In addition to the use of poor quality parts, HP is able to price their notebooks so low because they allow companies to pay them to install these add-ins, thus creating subsidization. Of course, Microsoft forgets to mention that. ;)
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
You're both wrong. Who says the BSOD isn't still in Windows? It is! Kernal Panics still happen to Macs, both are just unlikely.
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You are wrong A kernel panic wasn't a BSOD. You could get out of most BSOD just by telling it to kill the program because most were from dll hell.
 
EmperorDarius said:
Depends on what you do. Depends on what you install. If you do both a lot, you'll get problems. On Windows.
For most of the Windows users, crashes are normal.
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I install and uninstall tons of apps, run virtual machines, games, internet browsers, email and voice chat simultaneously, all without a hitch. Could do it on XP. Did it on Vista. Do it on 7.

User error.
 
swyoung said:
Although you can get a 17" HP Pavilion for under $700, it's built with much poorer parts, and is preloaded with a bunch of Windows add-ins that only bog down your machine. In addition to the use of poor quality parts, HP is able to price their notebooks so low because they allow companies to pay them to install these add-ins, thus creating subsidization. Of course, Microsoft forgets to mention that. ;)
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I definitely agree with you there. When you buy a much cheaper PC, you get about 50 "Try this for 30 days" or "Here is your free version of" programs. Why not thogh, its a ton of fun going through and uninstalling each one individually!! :eek:
 
Would I have been in Lauren's position, I too would have bought the $700 HP Crapillion, and hacked it to run OS X :D
 
New Microsoft Ad

:eek:No worries “The money they save” will just be used in tech support because their new PC keeps crashing. In the end Macs are still cheaper.:apple:
 
ntux said:
Would I have been in Lauren's position, I too would have bought the $700 HP Crapillion, and hacked it to run OS X :D
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I would have found any laptop as close to $1000 as possible and taken it back the next day.
If I wouldn't be keeping my current laptop (which I would), I'd then shop around on the internet and get something that's even better value for money.
 
Ibjr said:
You are wrong A kernel panic wasn't a BSOD. You could get out of most BSOD just by telling it to kill the program because most were from dll hell.
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Perhaps for Windows 3.1, but for NT-based systems (since 1992) a BSOD is exactly a kernel panic. Reboot is the only option.

Let's talk about Vista and Leopard in this thread, not Windows 3.1 and System 7.

By the way, "dll hell" is an outmoded concept as well.
 
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