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Why, yes. For the Chinese market. Several brands have set up factories in China where they make what could perhaps best be described as Asian pirate copies of their own products, and sell them to poor Chinese schmucks who want a fake taste of Western luxury. There are Chinese Volvos, Chinese Volkswagens... none of which are sold here. The VW Santana is China's #1 taxi -- it's a replica of the Santana we had over here in the 1980's.

There are droves of material to read on the subject of Chinese build quality, but I think this quote (source) sums it up pretty well:




Those are industrial-grade servers, always more expensive than workstations and only remotely comparable to the Mac Pro's from Apple's online perfume shop. I'd hold out for the Dell Precision machines with Nehalem processors, they're the direct equivalent. Not that I think the prices will change substantially once they're upgraded to Nehalem, so you might as well look as a Precision T5400 today. It has all those certifications that a Mac Pro has, metal enclosure, etc. Note however that it comes with a minimum of 3 years warranty baked into the price so you'll have to throw in AppleCare to compare.

Actually I doubt you'll see a huge difference in price between a Dell Tx500 series and the Mac Pros. We watched the HP series roll out webinar today, of which the Z400 is directly equivalent to the MP Quad, and the Z600 is equivalent to the octo MP. Pricing is just as high, maybe higher than Apple.

The only edge HP really has is that they're selling them with Quadros. That's Apple's blunder. I hope they make the 3800 or even 5800 available later this year.

We ordered our Octo 2.26ghz today anyway, with the 4870.
 
I thought she was cute in that geeky girl kind of way. Also seemed to have a nice personality. We all have different tastes man.

No don't get me wrong, she's cute. Just not what I'd picture getting the "über attractive" accolade. ;) That is reserved for ladies such as Kate Beckinsale :D
 
I find it funny how she goes to a "Mac Store" even though Best Buy sells Macs. Did any one else notice that she never really entered the Apple Store. Check out this Youtube video to see what I'm talking about.

You realize, of course, that there's no way in Hades that any "Mac Store" manager could or would have given the CP+B camera crew permission to film inside the store (private property). They couldn't stop filming on the sidewalk outside, however (public property).

It's also quite amusing that she drove from the Mac Store in her Volkswagen (a CP+B client) to a Best Buy (another CP+B client).


"über attractive"? Were we watching the same commercial?

I thought she was cute in that geeky girl kind of way. Also seemed to have a nice personality. We all have different tastes man.

There's attractive in the "I want to go to bed with" sense, and there's attractive in the "I'd like to wake up in the morning with" sense.

Lauren is the latter - not knockout gorgeous, but someone you can totally connect with. This probably scares the faithful too....

(...and this from a gay man, on top of it ;) )

http://i.gizmodo.com/photogallery/laurendelong/1007756115
 

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I have a 17" MPB and here is how you can make all that simpler with one.

Your keyboard and mouse are bluetooth so you dont need the receivers with a mbp.
Get a wireless HP All-in-one for the camera and scanner.
The Harmon Kardon speakers in the laptop sound great on their own.

An now you down to one plug the 7-port hub

Belkin 7-port USB hub
iPhone dock
Universal Dock (for iPod Classic)
USB hard drive for backups
Card reader (bank stuff...)
Korg MIDI controller keyboard
Copy protection dongle for Cubase
Additional empty USB port for occasional use of USB memory stick
Thanks ;) Good suggestions and I appreciate you trying but that's not gonna work too well.

Apple Wireless Keyboard - nope, I need a numpad because those keys are the remote control for both of my main audio apps (stop/rec/play/loop etc). Musicians are actually more miffed about Apple dropping the numpad than accountants are. :) I'dRatherLoseTheSpaceKeyActually.

Wireless Mighty Mouse - oh gawd no, I have two and they stink. I'm one with this MX Revolution mouse, gotta have it.

Either way, it's still...
1x Magsafe adapter
1x Firewire
3x USB
1x DisplayPort to DVI adapter

...to plug/unplug a couple of times a day. Is that how MBP users live? Sounds kinda tedious. I wish they could put a docking port of some kind on the MBP like they do on some Dell laptops, but then I suppose Steve would go ballistic over the machine not being thin enough. Oh well.

Actually I doubt you'll see a huge difference in price between a Dell Tx500 series and the Mac Pros. We watched the HP series roll out webinar today, of which the Z400 is directly equivalent to the MP Quad, and the Z600 is equivalent to the octo MP. Pricing is just as high, maybe higher than Apple.
Perhaps, I dunno. Problem is I never seem to be able to configure any Dell machine online (not with the options I want anyway) that costs nearly as much as a Mac Pro. Also, Apple has added some sort of Eurotrash tax by jacking up the prices recently, the others don't appear to have done so. Lastly, the sales rep I bought my last Dells from gave me insane rebates, threw in all support contracts and accidental coverage for free, plus a free gigabit switch despite my insistance that I really didn't want it even as a gift (bastard sneaked it in anyway), so I know their list prices aren't what I would end up paying. And while I've never ordered anything from Apple over the phone, only online, I'm gonna go ahead and take a wild guess that their prices are non-negotiable. ;)
 
You realize, of course, that there's no way in Hades that any "Mac Store" manager could or would have given the CP+B camera crew permission to film inside the store (private property). They couldn't stop filming on the sidewalk outside, however (public property).

It's also quite amusing that she drove from the Mac Store in her Volkswagen (a CP+B client) to a Best Buy (another CP+B client).






There's attractive in the "I want to go to bed with" sense, and there's attractive in the "I'd like to wake up in the morning with" sense.

Lauren is the latter - not knockout gorgeous, but someone you can totally connect with. This probably scares the faithful too....

(...and this from a gay man, on top of it ;) )

Quite an insightful observation from a gay fellow, you make a good point!
And let me clarify that I do not mean that in a derogitory manner (in case meaning is lost through the typed word on the Internet)
 
I didn't paste the whole comment since it's long, and it's just a page ago ... but as a total life-long (23+ years) mac fanatic, I will gladly agree that you make solid points.

Glad to see someone with some sense :)

Theres CUDA support for Linux AND Mac OSX

Where is the CUDA support in OS X? Where are the CUDA apps?

You dont know the Magic Of EFI.
Its obvious that the computers are made for snow leopard.
OpenCL's Natures means its not Hardware based meaning it can run on any Video Card which supports streaming processing.

EFI is just a more advanced BIOS.

Nobody said that OpenCL was bad or anything. I just said that similar technology already exists and is being taken advantage of in Windows by Windows apps. Plus Microsoft is bringing similar technology to DirectX.

My 8 year old iBook serves my audio and video needs, because it's hooked up to my HDTV and amp.

Wow, you have an 8 year old iBook hooked up to your HDTV? What for? It wouldn't be able to do anything but play DVDs, and it'd even choke at that. Plus it doesn't have digital audio out, so you can't pass a digital audio to a receiver..

good post!

look people... i love my macs as much as all of you do but the facts are facts... she bought a 17inch laptop for $699.. yes its not as high spec as teh MBP but you guys forget that the 17inch MBP costs 3.5x more!

im sure if apple came out with a similar spec 17incher for $1000, we would all be rejoicing!... cos very few people have the luxury of spending $2499 on a computer!

Thank you :)

And yes, you're right. A $1,000 17" Mac would be great. That proves the point of this ad, that its all about choice. You know, maybe I want a 17" Mac with only integrated graphics, a DVD writer, a standard non-LED screen. Why can't I have that?

The laptop she bought has a resolution of 1440x900. Apple does a screen of this resolution. They call it a 15". Apple's 17 has a resolution of 1920 x 1200.

By your logic, Apple's older 17" screens are "not" 17" either because they had a resolution of 1440x900. And by your logic, the previous generation MBP 17" did "not" have a 17" screen because it was only 1680x1050. The same resolution that 15.4" PCs in the $1000 range carry.

If it's 6% tax and $949 for the MB. I would have gladly paid $6 out of pocket (Total $1,006) for a nice new White MB.

Don't forget to factor in the cost of transportation to the Apple store and all of the down time you'll have once the plastics start to break down ;)

Your keyboard and mouse are bluetooth so you dont need the receivers with a mbp.

I know this is in response to another poster, but I need to make a comment about this.

Bluetooth on OS X doesn't work too well. I have the MX5500 set, and every so often OS X loses the connection and I have to go in and set it al up again. Quite annoying. Doesn't happen if I use the dongle.

Get a wireless HP All-in-one for the camera and scanner.

With OS X's driver support, I can't imagine that'd work as advertised under OS X.

The Harmon Kardon speakers in the laptop sound great on their own.

For watching youtube videos. Musicians would want monitors of some kind. If you're a gamer, you want speakers that create an actual soundstage and a subwoofer thats going to be able to bring you into the game. If you have a PC you can even add an ExpressCard soundcard for 5.1 analog outputs.

Card reader (bank stuff...)

Built into PCs.
 
Thanks ;) Good suggestions and I appreciate you trying but that's not gonna work too well.

Apple Wireless Keyboard - nope, I need a numpad because those keys are the remote control for both of my main audio apps (stop/rec/play/loop etc). Musicians are actually more miffed about Apple dropping the numpad than accountants are. :) I'dRatherLoseTheSpaceKeyActually.

Wireless Mighty Mouse - oh gawd no, I have two and they stink. I'm one with this MX Revolution mouse, gotta have it.

Either way, it's still...
1x Magsafe adapter
1x Firewire
3x USB
1x DisplayPort to DVI adapter

...to plug/unplug a couple of times a day. Is that how MBP users live? Sounds kinda tedious. I wish they could put a docking port of some kind on the MBP like they do on some Dell laptops, but then I suppose Steve would go ballistic over the machine not being thin enough. Oh well.

Microsoft 5000 Notebook Bluetooth Mouse $34.00, free shipping at Amazon. Of course keyboards are a bit more difficult to get right.
 
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the logitech keyboard is bluetooth i wasn't saying buy the mac keyboard and mouse because that is one area where microsoft beats mac
 
the logitech keyboard is bluetooth i wasn't saying buy the mac keyboard and mouse because that is one area where microsoft beats mac
Wait, did I say DiNovo Edge? I have one of those but I actually meant the DiNovo for Notebooks (the Edge has no numpad). They make that one for Mac too, but it's USB.
 
Quite an insightful observation from a gay fellow, you make a good point!

And let me clarify that I do not mean that in a derogitory manner (in case meaning is lost through the typed word on the Internet)

No problem for me - it's common knowledge on the Internet that most Apple customers are gay. That rainbow Apple logo out'ed everyone years ago.

</just.a.joke>
 
I agree. The ad doesn't say "we found someone on the street...", it starts with "This is Lauren. She told us she wants a laptop....". We make the assumption that it's meant to be natural - but of course we realize that it's role playing.

In essence, these "Lauren detractors" are engaged in ad hominem arguments.

They can't argue with the facts of the ad (that you have more choice in features and price with Intel vendors other than Apple), so they attack the ad itself. Doesn't work.

And it's not a "price vs value" issue. Few here will argue that the $700 HP is a "better" computer than the $3000 Apple 17".

We can argue whether it's a better value, however. If you need the additional features or better specs of the Apple, then it has value for you. If you don't need those features or specs, then they don't have value for you.

I think what's really riling the faithful, though, is the realization that a lot of people have budgets that are too small to cover the Apple Tax. This ad tells those people that it's OK - you don't need the Gucci laptop, the HP is fine. This scares the faithful....

I can't wait for the full series of these ads....

I find this post to be well-written and insightful. Bravo.
 
Face it - the fact that it was staged isn't the real reason you're upset. It's only because of her "not cool enough to be a Mac person" comment that everyone has their pants up in a bundle.

Upset?!? wtf lol I simply posted something I read elsewhere that related to this news post by Arnie and the subsequent forum thread. Nothing more, nothing less. Neither Apple's "switch" ads or Microsoft's "laptop hunter" ads have any impact on what I use for a computer whatsoever so its hardly going to make me upset. :p

...and hardly "shocked" either btw. Did I come across as backwoods or naive because I posted an article I found? :rolleyes: ...or did it come across that I wrote that stuff???
 
Upset?!? wtf lol I simply posted something I read elsewhere that related to this news post by Arnie and the subsequent forum thread. Nothing more, nothing less. Neither Apple's "switch" ads or Microsoft's "laptop hunter" ads have any impact on what I use for a computer whatsoever so its hardly going to make me upset. :p

...and hardly "shocked" either btw. Did I come across as backwoods or naive because I posted an article I found? :rolleyes: ...or did it come across that I wrote that stuff???
Actually it wasn't so much your post but the one you quoted... The Lef... lefzn... whatever. This part
In other words, if you think you can pull the wool over the public's eyes, with your lame excuse denying the truth, you're wrong. The twenty first century is about transparency. Reveal the facts
seemed overly defensive and half-rabid like the ad had tried to kill someone or something. "Denying the truth", wtf? What truth and how? The highly subjective truth that Macs are better than PCs? "Reveal the facts", err, que? The fact that it wasn't a "real" event? Like, how? A disclaimer text across the screen that says "NOT REAL"?
 
GM vs Lexus/BMW/Mercedes

Wow GM should try this advertising technique... since they're tanking so bad.
I bet it would have Lexus/BMW/Mercedes quaking.

:eek:
 
Glad to see someone with some sense :)



Where is the CUDA support in OS X? Where are the CUDA apps?



EFI is just a more advanced BIOS.

Nobody said that OpenCL was bad or anything. I just said that similar technology already exists and is being taken advantage of in Windows by Windows apps. Plus Microsoft is bringing similar technology to DirectX.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showforum=75
The only place CUDA is really used is in Scientific Fields.
That technology in used by Windows is in Linux, BSD and Mac OSX.
That being said where are the Windows CUDA apps?
Apart from media converters and nVidia's plans for PhysX seems to of gone down the gurgler. Tell me where, Where! Is CUDA being used everyday in normal desktop apps. Something more Open that even works on the OLD GMA 950 will have more potential. All Apple needs to do is put QuickTime X and iTunes on OpenCL and put parallel compiling in Cocoa. Its called having a foot in the door.

And you didn't say similar! All you seem to be doing is biting off people's heads!!! Apple camp or not.
 
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showforum=75
The only place CUDA is really used is in Scientific Fields.
That technology in used by Windows is in Linux, BSD and Mac OSX.
That being said where are the Windows CUDA apps?
Apart from media converters and nVidia's plans for PhysX seems to of gone down the gurgler. Tell me where, Where! Is CUDA being used everyday in normal desktop apps. Something more Open that even works on the OLD GMA 950 will have more potential. All Apple needs to do is put QuickTime X and iTunes on OpenCL and put parallel compiling in Cocoa. Its called having a foot in the door.

And you didn't say similar! All you seem to be doing is biting off people's heads!!! Apple camp or not.

And where are the OS X apps? Thats what I meant ;)

What do you mean PhysX has gone down? Its alive and kicking and in games today.

And apart from media converters and other things that are extremely CPU intensive, what should there be? Or are you just jealous because Windows users have been benefiting from this for over a year now while OS X users wait and wait and wait? ;)

And how exactly do you expect OpenCL to run on a GMA950 when it isn't fully DirectX 9/OpenGL 2.0 compliant? The only Intel GPU to actually support OpenCL will be Larrabee. I don't exactly see how the equivalent of dozens of processors equal to a highly overclocked Pentium 1 will even be able to begin to compete with even the lowest end GeForce 8 series. OpenCL requires GPUs with "stream processors", and the GMA 950 was basically an old DirectX 6 GPU with Pixel Shader 2.0 tacked on. Other than the GMA 950s very minor pixel shading capabilities, all functions other than drawing the textures and final picture were carried out by the main CPU. The GMA X3100 added in a hardware T&L unit, but was still basically the same thing. Those two GPUs are only DirectX9 and 10 "compliant" thanks to Intel's drivers intercepting GPU functionality and rerouting it to the main CPU. Which basically means that, in the event of an app wanting to use a GPU for faster and more intensive math processing, Intel's drivers would intercept it and re-route it to the CPU.

Oh and Quicktime X still isn't up to the level of DXVA ;)
 
Actually it wasn't so much your post but the one you quoted... The Lef... lefzn... whatever. This part

seemed overly defensive and half-rabid like the ad had tried to kill someone or something. "Denying the truth", wtf? What truth and how? The highly subjective truth that Macs are better than PCs? "Reveal the facts", err, que? The fact that it wasn't a "real" event? Like, how? A disclaimer text across the screen that says "NOT REAL"?

The Lefsetz Letter is emotional, provocative and controversial. Bob definitely takes a stand one way or the other and calls it how he sees it w/o alot of dancing around. His editorials are primarily focused on the music industry but there's natural spinoffs into video games, movies, TV and the computer/gadget world. Sometimes he definitely comes across as half-rabid so ya I could see how you'd see that...especially if you don't have any context of where he's coming from previously.
The Lefsetz Letter
 
And where are the OS X apps? Thats what I meant ;)

What do you mean PhysX has gone down? Its alive and kicking and in games today.

And apart from media converters and other things that are extremely CPU intensive, what should there be? Or are you just jealous because Windows users have been benefiting from this for over a year now while OS X users wait and wait and wait? ;)

And how exactly do you expect OpenCL to run on a GMA950 when it isn't fully DirectX 9/OpenGL 2.0 compliant? The only Intel GPU to actually support OpenCL will be Larrabee. I don't exactly see how the equivalent of dozens of processors equal to a highly overclocked Pentium 1 will even be able to begin to compete with even the lowest end GeForce 8 series. OpenCL requires GPUs with "stream processors", and the GMA 950 was basically an old DirectX 6 GPU with Pixel Shader 2.0 tacked on. Other than the GMA 950s very minor pixel shading capabilities, all functions other than drawing the textures and final picture were carried out by the main CPU. The GMA X3100 added in a hardware T&L unit, but was still basically the same thing. Those two GPUs are only DirectX9 and 10 "compliant" thanks to Intel's drivers intercepting GPU functionality and rerouting it to the main CPU. Which basically means that, in the event of an app wanting to use a GPU for faster and more intensive math processing, Intel's drivers would intercept it and re-route it to the CPU.

Oh and Quicktime X still isn't up to the level of DXVA ;)

No it needs a GPU which support GPGPU processing. These have been around since the X1K series were around. You can tout what DirectX specs of GPUs but that isnt what decides OpenCL. DXVA still lacks against OpenGL accelerated video. And how would you know how Good QX is? ITS NOT EVEN RELEASED!!! DXVA dosent even work on older video cards.

Would you like to name some Windows CUDA/Close to framwork apps that arent used in scientific work? You can say how much were jealous on something that is still rarer than diamonds.

Im sorry but you speculate more than an Apple Rumour site.
 
No it needs a GPU which support GPGPU processing.

Which the GMA950 and X3100 do not support.

Both of these offload a significant portion of work to the CPU. They're basically DirectX6 and 7 era cards with ridiculously slow pixel shaders tacked on.

These have been around since the X1K series were around.

GPGPU refers to modern GPUs with stream processors. The Radeon X1xx0 series did not support this. The Radeon X1xx0 series were their last DirectX9 series cards released in 2005. ATI sort of hacked together a very basic video encoder that sort of took advantage of the GPU to encode H.264 video. It did nothing else. Folding@Home rigged up 3D screensavers that took advantage of nvidia and ATI GPUs, but at that time, it was running as 3D app. Nothing like modern "GPGPU".

Theres a lot of good articles out there explaining "GPGPU" and what it can or can't do. Basically all of them will tell you that anything on pre-DirectX10 cards is going to be very basic and doesn't fit the term, seeing as how their programmability and functions are extremely limited.

You can tout what DirectX specs of GPUs but that isnt what decides OpenCL.

Uh... Well, I hate to break it to you, but Windows owns the vast majority of the market. And seeing as how GPUs are still based around Windows games and DirectX, GPU generations are generally marked by DirectX revisions.

OpenCL is dependent on OpenGL. OpenCL basically requires an OpenGL 3.0 hardware compliant GPU. OpenGL "borrows" heavily from DirectX 10. So yes, you do need a truly hardware compliant DirectX 10 GPU for OpenCL to mean anything. Which means the GMA 950 and X3100 are going to be left in the cold.

DXVA still lacks against OpenGL accelerated video. And how would you know how Good QX is? ITS NOT EVEN RELEASED!!! DXVA dosent even work on older video cards

Wow, you might want to do some research before you make such comments. It really shows you don't know what you're talking about.

All of the OpenGL interfaces out there are limited to HWMC and hardware resampling.

DXVA goes back to the 90s, Windows 98 to be precise. It allows any video player to take advantage of any of the available hardware features.

Let's say you're watching a blu-ray movie, something a Mac can't do running OS X or an Intel GPU. The software player will pull the data stream off the disc, demux it (split) into 3 streams, video, audio, and sub-picture. If a modern GPU is available (say, anything from the GeForce 6 era and above, minus Intel GPUs), then the software player hands the video stream off to the GPU in its raw form. At that point the GPU will decode it and do everything necessary to properly display it, as well as enhance it like upscaling or color correction. If the GPU doesn't have that capability, the software player will then use the CPU and GPU together, taking advantage of what features it does have.

Like I said, DXVA goes way back to Windows 98. Then modern GPUs had HWMC for MPEG-2, which allowed for then modern PCs (think P2 systems) to play DVD video without special hardware MPEG-2 decoders. Then it moved on to HWMC and iDCT support. A few years into this decade, the GPUs were doing all the work for MPEG-2 video. Then as H.264 started gaining traction, GPU manufacturers started adding support for it, after having already started supporting WMV. By the middle of this decade, GPUs were available that did full bitstream decoding for MPEG-2, MPEG-1, H.264, VC-1, WMV, and other MPEG-4 variants.

So yes, DXVA works on older GPUs. It works on anything that has drivers that support it and the hardware to back it up.

Unlike what Apple does, which is basically throw all the video work to the CPU, except HWMC, and then the GPU converts the output video to a texture and displays it on the screen.

Would you like to name some Windows CUDA/Close to framwork apps that arent used in scientific work? You can say how much were jealous on something that is still rarer than diamonds.

Theres a boatload of Windows apps that take advantage of CUDA. Nvidia's website has a very nice list ;) And some major players, like Cyberlink (number 2 DVD software player for Windows), are adding or have already added support for CUDA to their video encoding and editing software.
 
The Lefsetz Letter is emotional, provocative and controversial. Bob definitely takes a stand one way or the other and calls it how he sees it w/o alot of dancing around. His editorials are primarily focused on the music industry but there's natural spinoffs into video games, movies, TV and the computer/gadget world. Sometimes he definitely comes across as half-rabid so ya I could see how you'd see that...especially if you don't have any context of where he's coming from previously.
The Lefsetz Letter

Lefsetz sucks at writing. His crappy article "The Neverending Story" is packed full of sentence fragments. He desperately needs to learn when to use a period, semicolon and comma, as well as how to properly start a sentence with "because."
 
Macs have resale value. PCs generally don't.

My family gave away all of our PCs after moving completely to macs. They werent even worth selling, and a couple were a year or two old.

This is a completely ignored aspect of buying a Mac. Because of the extra value built in, because of the generally good and consistent quality control, because you are dealing with 1 company who will generally stand behind their product and not abdicate responsibility at the first opportunity, Macs retain their value much better than a mix-and-match ever PC will.

Macs have an 'identity' associated with positive, productive values..

Thus, I know there is a market for my 3 year old Macbook Pro because of the above and also because people who want Macs want them for specific reasons - some are cosmetic but many more are that it isthe right tool for a specific creative task (like reliable video editing or similar creative visual task where downtime is just not part of the business plan). Macs have a specific target audience and they pursue them relentlessly. They know who their customers are and I'm glad they do.

The minute you buy a PC it's value plummets as there is little or no inherent value in the sum of its substitutable parts - any replacement will do as usually, unless its a purpose-specific workstation, its a generic machine with no USPs.

jus.
 
This is a completely ignored aspect of buying a Mac. Because of the extra value built in, because of the generally good and consistent quality control, because you are dealing with 1 company who will generally stand behind their product and not abdicate responsibility at the first opportunity, Macs retain their value much better than a mix-and-match ever PC will.

Macs have an 'identity' associated with positive, productive values..

Thus, I know there is a market for my 3 year old Macbook Pro because of the above and also because people who want Macs want them for specific reasons - some are cosmetic but many more are that it isthe right tool for a specific creative task (like reliable video editing or similar creative visual task where downtime is just not part of the business plan). Macs have a specific target audience and they pursue them relentlessly. They know who their customers are and I'm glad they do.

The minute you buy a PC it's value plummets as there is little or no inherent value in the sum of its substitutable parts - any replacement will do as usually, unless its a purpose-specific workstation, its a generic machine with no USPs.

jus.

Fair point. It could, however also be that due to the surplus of PC their value is less.
 
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