I often thought the same thing. Its a ripoff to upgrade an apple product from their store, but its not a ripoff to buy the same priced hardware if its included by default...
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I often thought the same thing. Its a ripoff to upgrade an apple product from their store, but its not a ripoff to buy the same priced hardware if its included by default...
The difference is that the base system you really don't have any other options.
I was nodding in agreement up until that last part. ME was a parody on Windows, the epitome of everything that sucked about 3.11, 95, 98 and 98SE. It crashed twice as often as 98 and somehow managed to be less informative when it did. Microsoft ended Mainstream Support for Me in 2003, only 3 years after the launch, which by MS standards is the equivalent of burying it and running away.
The Wiki entry on WinME reads...
Which is pretty much consistent with my experience with it. So I switched to Win2K which was a whole other dimension in terms of stability.
lol yeah Me was complete crap. Anyone who says otherwise didn't actually use it. Actually 98SE sucked too. It's what got me into Linux back in the Red Hat 6.2 days. Windows 2000 Pro is/was a fantastic OS though.
Huh? we were talking about Millenium Edition, the most laughable OS MS ever released. Even dedicated MS fanboys such as Paul Thurott will tell you it sucked.
Wish I had time..
To pick apart all of your lame arguments trying to cut down my LEGITIMATE research on the XPS, but I have work to do. So I'll just say this:
My research was based on going to the Dell EPP site. I configured the machine to match, as best as possible, my MacBook. It didn't make it. Never will, as long as Vista is on it.
I bought my MacBook at the Apple store, (Discounts can be had there) and bought my RAM from Newegg. It was Crucial, which is better than most OEM (unless they use Micron).
I work in IT. I make a very good living doing so. I support PCs, own PCs, have built many, many PCs over the years, and now own a MacBook. As someone who has stood in the same place you're standing now, looking at the situation with the same myopic view, I can unequivocally state that, of all the computers at my disposal, including multiple Windows XP, Linux, and Windows 7 computers, both physical and virtual, when I go home at night I use my Mac. Why? Because it just works better.
As far as the statement that Vista is more stable than Leopard, PULLEEEASSE! Clean the sand out of your ears when you pull your head out of the ground. Your talking to someone who's extensively used every operating system MS has released since DOS 5. Vista is crap. You either know that, and are living in denial, or don't know it, and are too dumb to debate the topic. Ask yourself this: If Vista is all that and a bag of chips, why is MS rushing to get Windows 7 to market less than two years after it's release, when they let XP go for 6 years? It's a disaster. They know it. I know it. You should either know it or get a Mac, because not knowing it makes you too naive to navigate in the dangerous jungle that is the Windows OS.
As far as what this commercial was meant to do, it was MS taking the only road they had. "We know we can't compete on quality, so we'll talk about price."
Oh, just an FYI: When I bought my Mac I was specifically looking at the price vs. the quality of the build. And I didn't want a 15" screen. I don't need to be cool, and I was perfectly willing to replace my old, broken Compaq Presario laptop with a Dell, had it made sense. But it didn't. I have configured, worked on, repaired and built enough computers over the years to know that $600 laptops are an extreme waste of money. Write that model number down. Try to find it on HP's or Best Buy's websites in 6 months. Try to buy parts for it in a year and a half. Not generic parts, like memory and hard drives. Proprietary stuff.
I'll continue to run Windows PCs. But now that XP is gone, until 7 ships I won't buy anything that runs Windows. And I may just put 7 on my VM machine, and call it a day.
To pick apart all of your lame arguments trying to cut down my LEGITIMATE research on the XPS, but I have work to do. So I'll just say this:
My research was based on going to the Dell EPP site. I configured the machine to match, as best as possible, my MacBook. It didn't make it. Never will, as long as Vista is on it.
I bought my MacBook at the Apple store, (Discounts can be had there) and bought my RAM from Newegg. It was Crucial, which is better than most OEM (unless they use Micron).
I work in IT. I make a very good living doing so. I support PCs, own PCs, have built many, many PCs over the years, and now own a MacBook. As someone who has stood in the same place you're standing now, looking at the situation with the same myopic view, I can unequivocally state that, of all the computers at my disposal, including multiple Windows XP, Linux, and Windows 7 computers, both physical and virtual, when I go home at night I use my Mac. Why? Because it just works better.
As far as the statement that Vista is more stable than Leopard, PULLEEEASSE! Clean the sand out of your ears when you pull your head out of the ground. Your talking to someone who's extensively used every operating system MS has released since DOS 5. Vista is crap. You either know that, and are living in denial, or don't know it, and are too dumb to debate the topic. Ask yourself this: If Vista is all that and a bag of chips, why is MS rushing to get Windows 7 to market less than two years after it's release, when they let XP go for 6 years? It's a disaster. They know it. I know it. You should either know it or get a Mac, because not knowing it makes you too naive to navigate in the dangerous jungle that is the Windows OS.
As far as what this commercial was meant to do, it was MS taking the only road they had. "We know we can't compete on quality, so we'll talk about price."
Oh, just an FYI: When I bought my Mac I was specifically looking at the price vs. the quality of the build. And I didn't want a 15" screen. I don't need to be cool, and I was perfectly willing to replace my old, broken Compaq Presario laptop with a Dell, had it made sense. But it didn't. I have configured, worked on, repaired and built enough computers over the years to know that $600 laptops are an extreme waste of money. Write that model number down. Try to find it on HP's or Best Buy's websites in 6 months. Try to buy parts for it in a year and a half. Not generic parts, like memory and hard drives. Proprietary stuff.
I'll continue to run Windows PCs. But now that XP is gone, until 7 ships I won't buy anything that runs Windows. And I may just put 7 on my VM machine, and call it a day.
That is correct. And applying the same logic, the base systems is just as overpriced as the upgrade. Its just that we can say shove it to apple when it comes to the upgrade and do it ourselves. Which brings us back to the thread in hand....
Shame your pricing was way off for an average user who would not get discounts with either dell or apple, nor would they install a HD and Ram themselves. This add is aimed at the general public, not IT people.
It doesn't matter that you work in IT. I do too. But when you've got a bad Apple (hehe bad apple) experience and Wikipedia, you're all knowing! Real world experience be damned!
Yup, it's aimed at the sheep who listen to marketing instead of doing research. Do you go buy a car after seeing a commercial? I don't. Do you go out and order a TV without seeing how good the picture is? I don't. Do you order a digital camera because you saw I tennis star using one? I don't.
This ad is retarded. So are the Apple commercials.
And yes, Apples are expensive, even without the upgrades. Since when has it been any different?
Wow that makes me want to throw my XPS in th trash.
Well I will take out the blu-ray player, the 4G or ram the 500GB esata harddrive, the the dedicated video card first.
But then again its kinda nice having a portable blu-ray HT player
Well the machines are cheap right? What else are they supposed to run on them? Linux?
Have you run a GUI-enabled MODERN linux on a sub-$300 POS? Let me tell you, it's even more slower than Windows and OS X combined. Both KDE, GNome, Icebox, and other window managers are horribly slow.
This sort of threads always remind me over and over again that Apple is really so incredibly annoying to many MS users for some deeply psychological reason. For that reason alone, Apple rocks. There is something hilariously pathetic about the overwhelming majority so mightily worked up about some small minority as to list some silly options to prove that PC is such a "better value" for the money.
Like, yeah, no ****, Sherlock.
Apple can't survive if their price comes down to the level of HP's and DELL's in the world. They make their own OS, their own applications, their own hardware, all of which have to directly compete against the massive giant that is Windows and its (often unwilling) guardians like, well, DELL's and HP's in the world.
Yes, Apple is in a brand business. And that's a bad thing for what reason?
It's no secret that Apple has no ambition to take over the world in the computer world any time soon. Steve Jobs has (effectively) said so a number of times before, although iPods and iPhones are a little different stories.
So please, preach on. Let the world know that the Apple products are overpriced. Come to the forum where Apples users (most of whom are simply willing to pay extra dollars for Apple brand as they like it) are gathered, and do your best to hammer it home that Apple computers are *horror, shock, explosion* OVERPRICED!
Wow, really, no ****, Sherlock. And please, relax a little bit. There is nothing to get so worked up about. The world is yours (for the time being, anyhow), and we just enjoy our niche world. Thank you.
Like, yeah, no ****, Sherlock.
Apple can't survive if their price comes down to the level of HP's and DELL's in the world. They make their own OS, their own applications, their own hardware, all of which have to directly compete against the massive giant that is Windows and its (often unwilling) guardians like, well, DELL's and HP's in the world.
Yes, Apple is in a brand business. And that's a bad thing for what reason?
It's no secret that Apple has no ambition to take over the world in the computer world any time soon. Steve Jobs has (effectively) said so a number of times before, although iPods and iPhones are a little different stories.
So please, preach on. Let the world know that the Apple products are overpriced. Come to the forum where Apples users (most of whom are simply willing to pay extra dollars for Apple brand as they like it) are gathered, and do your best to hammer it home that Apple computers are *horror, shock, explosion* OVERPRICED!
Wow, really, no ****, Sherlock. And please, relax a little bit. There is nothing to get so worked up about. The world is yours (for the time being, anyhow), and we just enjoy our niche world. Thank you.
Nobody here is saying a PC is a better value or an Apple is a better value. What's happening is that Apple people are bashing Windows based on pure bias. If you install Windows on a POS machine, it will run like a POS. Do you buy a car and put in the wrong fuel type and expect it to run properly?
Oh please, pretentious jagoffs pimping their tired G3 and G4 Powerbooks who can't afford internet access in the apartment they share with 3 other people who have apparently several hours to hang around drinking lattes instead of, oh, WORKING. And telling us they're sipping lattes on Twitter. Kind of like the bums who think book stores are libraries and spend their weekends reading the books in the store and sipping coffee instead of buying the book. And then at best they go home and buy the book on Amazon.
I own several Macs (and several PCs) and I have NEVER loitered in a Starbucks. It would never even occur to me to do so. I have places to go and things to do -- i.e. a JOB.
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