Yeah you can. Order the parts and 'build' it. I always laugh when people think they are so cool because they ordered a bunch of computer parts and put them together. That's not building to me. That's plugging stuff in.
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Yeah you can. Order the parts and 'build' it. I always laugh when people think they are so cool because they ordered a bunch of computer parts and put them together. That's not building to me. That's plugging stuff in.
Average person doesn't look for a 17" 'laptop'. I believe that is too big. Anyway.
Positive:if this campaign finally drives more Windoze base PC sales, then we could see
reaction to this... everybody wins -> lower price for Macs
Reality: after spenging $700 in a 17" windoz 'laptop' you then spend $100 in antispyware-virus-malware...+ $50 backpack/case + a shoulder surgery to recover your health after carrying it around!
Positive:if this campaign finally drives more Windoze base PC sales, then we could see
reaction to this... everybody wins -> lower price for MacsReality: after spenging $700 in a 17" windoz 'laptop' you then spend $100 in antispyware-virus-malware...+ $50 backpack/case + a shoulder surgery to recover your health after carrying it around!
I think people who have purchased macbooks or apple products are defensive because they don't want to see apple product cheapers. If it because cheaper two things would have happened. 1) They spent more money than they should have and 2) lowering price will bring apple product to the masses and that will diminish the elitist status of these people.
It's not cool that everyone has the same thing but these people never realized that they were not that cool anyway because more people than you already own Apple stuff.
For the record I would love to get a macbook pro or something like that but prices are dang expensive. Does Apple think I'm made out of money? I remember when Apple was selling the Apple IIgs computer. It didn't come with a keyboard, monitor, or floppy disk drive and it used to cost at least $1,200-$1,500 just for the CPU. My uncle was nice enough to get one for us but that was the last Apple computer we ever owned.
Well, thats just whack, as the kids say.
I would LOVE it if Macs were less expensive.
I would LOVE it if more people I know and like used Macs because I think they are better.
I would LOVE to be ELITE. Where do you buy one of those?
My question is why is M$, who owns 90% of the computer market, wasting its money to make an ad against Apple? It's bizzaro. It would be like Apple making an ad targeting SanDisk MP3 players. Clearly the guys up at Redmond have some weird inferiority complex or they'd show off why their OS is super and every bit as good as OS X. Of course every honest person would know M$ was lying.
Oh, so when the capacitors were bulging on my barely 2 year old (at the time) iMac, that's considered a "solid capacitor".
I'm not saying Macs aren't well built, but to charge this much in a recession is ridiculous. And a 50 - 100% advantage just isn't possible (averaged over all kinds of apps).
Because Windows is their cash cow. A monopoly they cannot afford to lose no matter what. Microsoft will not be happy until Apple is back at 2% or less market share. If they lose that monopoly, MS would not last a year. Just look at their so called innovative ideas and products coming out of their asses for the past few years....
Clever analogy. I like it! The only difference is that Microsoft can envision a sea-change in the wind, whereas Apple is not worried in the least about SanDisk.
I actually agree. Right now some 80-90% and dropping of the computer buying public has modest INITIAL needs serviced adequately by commodity PC's from vendors like HP, Dell, Toshiba, Lenovo and others. Those units have thin profit margins, outsourced service, and a requirement to add a variety of third party utilities and services for adequate usage. Also the hardware and software breaks down or becomes obsolete sooner.
So the cost is "distributed" over time like an Apple iPhone which is "worth" $700 but you get into it for $200 because of a monthly service contract.
When I buy a Mac (former PC user) I have hardware that lasts twice as long, software that lasts three times as long, and built in features that reduce spam, reduce upgrade labor and cost, improve simplicity of use, and simplify hardware and software upgrades, with some compromises in "process" over PC's.
Going back to the beginning, Apple who makes Macs and iPhones has "high profit margins", causing them to spend a bundle on R&D, software updates, hardware innovations, and customer service, for those plugged in to their system.
That has to be considered in the price in a rational analysis.
Rational analysis is not "popular." Price shopping is. Darwinism is phun to watch.
Rocketman
ok I LOVE my macbook but:
The people in this thread defending Apple to teeth and bone are #&*$$&# lame. This is a good ad campaign, and yeah I would love to see cheaper Macs.
The fact is Apple could lower their prices. Easy. They just get less profit per machine. You want to know how Apple got +$25 Billion cash reserves??
By ripping you off. Yes. By knowing how to get consumers to pay more for a product which is costing Apple the same price for the physical hardware as other companies (in some cases offering less than what other companies offer).
Don't get me wrong I love Apple design and OSx bla bla bla...
But you are over paying for Apple products and the main reason is they have no real competitors to bring their prices down by offering similar stuff that appeals to Mac buyers (design, osx, etc)
Doesn't matter you are still getting ripped off. Macs are overpriced and getting defensive about it and trying to defend a company literally rolling in so much cash that no one knows what they will do it, is $&$*# lame. Wake up yourself from the lull of the Apple cult. Yes its powerful, but so are you.
The people in this thread defending Apple to teeth and bone are #&*$$&# lame. This is a good ad campaign, and yeah I would love to see cheaper Macs.
The fact is Apple could lower their prices. Easy. They just get less profit per machine. You want to know how Apple got +$25 Billion cash reserves??
By ripping you off. Yes. By knowing how to get consumers to pay more for a product which is costing Apple the same price for the physical hardware as other companies (in some cases offering less than what other companies offer).
Don't get me wrong I love Apple design and OSx bla bla bla...
But you are over paying for Apple products and the main reason is they have no real competitors to bring their prices down by offering similar stuff that appeals to Mac buyers (design, osx, etc)
Doesn't matter you are still getting ripped off. Macs are overpriced and getting defensive about it and trying to defend a company literally rolling in so much cash that no one knows what they will do it, is $&$*# lame. Wake up yourself from the lull of the Apple cult. Yes its powerful, but so are you.
Nah, do not concur.
I pay for quality, value and Mac OS X. Reliability is hugely important to me as my MacBook Pro is literally how I make my living: I'm a theater professional and a photographer.
I also own a BMW for the same reasons: quality, reliability, and with the car, yes: enjoyment. Picking up a rental car is brutal: it feels like driving a sardine can with tires on it.
Now, I will not look down on PC's running Windows: everyone has their own needs, choices and buying a computer is a big investment for most of us.
PC's are just not for me: I have always had a Mac...
A Ford Focus or a Chevy Cobalt is also not for me... but that's for another forum: like bimmerforums....
Ah, what do I know?
That is a great commercial, as shady as it is.
Everyone knows PC's are cheaper than Macs. What they don't mention is that they are also cheaper in quality, durability and style. But everyone here should admit that if you were given an option to buy a laptop with those specs and style and quality but was made by Apple, they would give it a chance. And it would prove to be a much better computer than the one running windows. Apples problem is that it mostly competes with itself on hardware. It can't cannibalize its own machines and therefore can't offer a computer that has real bang for the buck, even if it doesn't have the latest gizmos and specs. Heck, if they sold a Macbook pro from 2 or 3 years ago for $700 as a new model, people would still get one and be happy. Its the $1000 entry point for Macs with the same processor speeds as cheaper windows pc's that always makes Apple out of reach for the average consumer. The consumer knows two things, processor speed and price, until Apple is on par with both with the rest of the industry it will only be the computer for the rest of us who can afford a $1,000 laptop. I love Apple, but they need some real competition and I think the netbooks are forcing their hand to do something finally thank goodness.
Everyone knows PC's are cheaper than Macs. What they don't mention is that they are also cheaper in quality, durability and style. But everyone here should admit that if you were given an option to buy a laptop with those specs and style and quality but was made by Apple, they would give it a chance. And it would prove to be a much better computer than the one running windows. Apples problem is that it mostly competes with itself on hardware. It can't cannibalize its own machines and therefore can't offer a computer that has real bang for the buck, even if it doesn't have the latest gizmos and specs. Heck, if they sold a Macbook pro from 2 or 3 years ago for $700 as a new model, people would still get one and be happy. Its the $1000 entry point for Macs with the same processor speeds as cheaper windows pc's that always makes Apple out of reach for the average consumer. The consumer knows two things, processor speed and price, until Apple is on par with both with the rest of the industry it will only be the computer for the rest of us who can afford a $1,000 laptop. I love Apple, but they need some real competition and I think the netbooks are forcing their hand to do something finally thank goodness.
For a moment I thought that the original iMac G5 didn't have a single solid capacitor but I guess it did have a few.Oh, so when the capacitors were bulging on my barely 2 year old (at the time) iMac, that's considered a "solid capacitor".
I'm not saying Macs aren't well built, but to charge this much in a recession is ridiculous.
I haven't had one of those in a while.
This is biased. She basically just walks like a few steps in the Apple store and walks out. I bet Microsoft scripted the part about "only one computer and that was $1000 and it only had a 13" screen." Atleast the facts presented in I'm a Mac ads are FACTS.
I don't see your point. That is a fact? Even if she didn't enter the Apple store, there is only one MacBook which sells for $1000.
Eidorian said:
Ahh, the good old days. When you could open up an iMac without having set aside a whole day for a surgery.
But this is true about the MacBooks...
If you could only open an Intel iMac like the old iMac G5...Ahh, the good old days. When you could open up an iMac without having set aside a whole day for a surgery.
I can't express it in words!
Sorry I haven't read The Triumph of the Scarlet Pimpernel, which is where I assume that comes from. You'll have to give me more context if you want to know what you mean.
Bertrand Serlet.
Senior Vice President of Software Engineering at Apple.
http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/serlet.html
ok I LOVE my macbook but:
The people in this thread defending Apple to teeth and bone are #&*$$&# lame. This is a good ad campaign, and yeah I would love to see cheaper Macs.
The fact is Apple could lower their prices. Easy. They just get less profit per machine. You want to know how Apple got +$25 Billion cash reserves??
By ripping you off. Yes. By knowing how to get consumers to pay more for a product which is costing Apple the same price for the physical hardware as other companies (in some cases offering less than what other companies offer).
Don't get me wrong I love Apple design and OSx bla bla bla...
But you are over paying for Apple products and the main reason is they have no real competitors to bring their prices down by offering similar stuff that appeals to Mac buyers (design, osx, etc)
Doesn't matter you are still getting ripped off. Macs are overpriced and getting defensive about it and trying to defend a company literally rolling in so much cash that no one knows what they will do it, is $&$*# lame. Wake up yourself from the lull of the Apple cult. Yes its powerful, but so are you.
Why are you wasting your time?
I actually agree. Right now some 80-90% and dropping of the computer buying public has modest INITIAL needs serviced adequately by commodity PC's from vendors like HP, Dell, Toshiba, Lenovo and others. Those units have thin profit margins, outsourced service, and a requirement to add a variety of third party utilities and services for adequate usage. Also the hardware and software breaks down or becomes obsolete sooner.
So the cost is "distributed" over time like an Apple iPhone which is "worth" $700 but you get into it for $200 because of a monthly service contract.
When I buy a Mac (former PC user) I have hardware that lasts twice as long, software that lasts three times as long, and built in features that reduce spam, reduce upgrade labor and cost, improve simplicity of use, and simplify hardware and software upgrades, with some compromises in "process" over PC's.
Going back to the beginning, Apple who makes Macs and iPhones has "high profit margins", causing them to spend a bundle on R&D, software updates, hardware innovations, and customer service, for those plugged in to their system.
That has to be considered in the price in a rational analysis.
Rational analysis is not "popular. Price shopping is. Darwinism is phun to watch.
Rocketman
Rocketman I disagree with you about longevity. Ive had dell laptops that lasted for 7 years. Crappy hand made AMD machines that use same components as any HP, Acer etc, that still work now and I built them years ago! At work I sometimes use dell computers which have been around for 5-7 years!! Yes they were easily upgradable etc. At the business where my sister works they have so many old Compaqs and Hp's and they all 'just work', have been working for years, no problems.
There are plenty of third party programs I use for Mac. yes we all know that OSX comes bundled with better software than PC but the only programs i use that are OSX native are finder, Ical and itunes - everything else is third party. (oh wait can't you get itunes on a pc?)
As soon as your Apple warranty ends and or your expensive Apple care ends, then hey, you got some expensive repairs on your hands, nothing about apple repairs is cheap compared to PC.
I was also a photographer and did all my work in the PC. Windows XP/Windows vista has never given me a problem. The only problem I've had were not related to the software itself but to a set of faulty ram.
My friend owned a new 2005 BMW 330 or something like that. One day while ordering food through McDonald's drive through the transmission gave out. Took it to the dealer and had it fixed. Turned around and sold his car and got a Lexus. Just because it's considered luxury doesn't mean it's good quality. Maybe his car was just a dud. I also found that his car was somewhat small. It felt like I was inside a Honda Civic only at twice or three times the price. It was a nice car but too expensive for my taste. These days I drive an Odyssey which fits my need for transporting the family around. It's no BMW X5 but it fits my need and my budget.
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