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I hope they do a follow-up commercial in a couple years that shows how much money Lauren had to spend in debugging and repairs, how many times she had to reinstall her OS because it became unstable and how she has no hair left from pulling it out while dealing with general Windoze nonsense.
 
I wish that your logic could be applied to other people in this thread. I have plenty of friends who have said "I don't like Mac OS" after trying the machines we have at University. Of course, it's impossible to tell someone who just spent $2000 on a machine that can be outperformed by one half that price that they made a mistake, so we'll just have to grin and bear the Mac users way up there on their horses.
I think this is the hard part in general.
 
Putting aside the product and attitude toward the products...

This commercial is boring and confusing.

What's this hand with money at the end? Is she a whore? She gabbles. I have no idea what she is talking about, she's just talking like wild, putting people to sleep. It's not well made to make the point and sell what they are selling. Microsoft is always sad in advertising, but this is only a small step above the really atrocious Gates-Seinfeld ads.

You might need the 600 diapers for those times when Windows makes you so frustrated you ****. :)

haha Exactly.

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I wish that your logic could be applied to other people in this thread. I have plenty of friends who have said "I don't like Mac OS" after trying the machines we have at University. Of course, it's impossible to tell someone who just spent $2000 on a machine that can be outperformed by one half that price that they made a mistake, so we'll just have to grin and bear the Mac users way up there on their horses.

I don't get why its a mistake though?

I'd wager that 90% of computers bought are never used anywhere near their actual potential anyway. Your average consumer does what, watch youtube, browse the net, maybe play with some pictures, and watch movies. You dont really need a 3.0 ghz processor or 4+ GB of ram for that. With that in mind does it really matter if a cheaper computer can outbenchmark another by a little?

It really comes down to personal preference, i've made mine, but it annoys me to see commercials that play the price card when those buying the device are the ones that have to choose if its worth it to them or not.

I'd like to see what she would have bought with a $2000 budget.
 
Of course, run side by side, the Dell will still be slower, because similar programs run faster and more reliably on the similar-spec OS X machine. This is not an idle claim and I'm not interested in debating it... go try it yourself. To actually get similar performance out of the Dell, you have to specify a more powerful machine, and then the price benefit disappears (and there's no way to make the software as reliable, for any price).

I disagree, but one thing I do know is that your business doesn't use GPU intensive applications. If you try Maya side by side on Windows vs Mac the Windows machine will blow it away because drivers for the insane graphics subsystem you are so fond of are terrible on OS X.

But even ignoring that, the Dell is built with much lower quality components, and it will need replacement within 1.5 to 2 years. This is especially true of cheap notebook computers, the subject of this ad. I'm writing this on an iMac that was purchased just under two years ago, and it runs perfectly well and has never crashed on me (not once). I expect at least another year on it before I give it up, and when I DO, it's going to be because I'm at the top of the food chain and I get to get the new gear... it will become someone else's machine. I will easily get 4-5 useful, snappy-performing years of service out of this machine, and in the interrim, I will not have had to pay for the repairs that the commodity PCs require.

This might offend you to know, but did you realise that the Intel factory which makes Core 2 Duo chips for Dell also makes them for Apple? :rolleyes:

Had I owned a Dell notebook, the chassis and hinges would have broken years ago.

If you owned a MacBook the casing would crack and discolour or the GPU would fail. It's pretty similar stuff.
 
Well, although the ad does get's the point across somewhat, I find a few things funny.

1) She doesn't even go into the Apple store. When they filmed her walking towards it, there's a man with a camera walking by. In the next scene, of her walking out, the same guy is still walking in front of the store.

2) She's driving a Volkswagen, of all computer users, Mac users seem to drive Volkswagen's more then PC users

3) The "it's like a phone!" comment. It's not like a phone, a phone is like a laptop.

4) I think at one point she says "OH, what's over there" and she walks by a couple MacBooks (white computers, I could be mistaken by knockoffs)

5) When she's deciding between the two, she says "But the look of that one is absolutely drawing me".... I don't really need to elaborate anymore.

All in all, it's an ad that does it's purpose, but does some of it horribly. If anything comes of this ad, it will be beneficiary to us. Hopefully Apple might perk up a bit and try to avoid a PR mess, and drop prices. Heh, one can dream. ;)
 
Yea that does get annoying. There are plenty of machines out there you can buy that wont have many problems. I just personally can't stand using Windows anymore.

I can see your point of view as well, however. I do prefer OS X over Windows. :)

Ignorance, false claims, and things that can't be proven are said from both sides of this argument, and I'm just sick of it. Why do I even bother?
 
How many millions more people are there out there who love Windows silently though?

Are there still people in the world left that 'Love' windows??

Ha ha

No seriously, even if two machines on paper are the same (say a Macbook Pro 17" and a similarly spec's HP) do you really think they are? I bet that the Macbook screen is color callibrated, has a better backlight (I've seen many pc's with that weird blueish hue around the screen edges, which admittedly get's better on more expensive models, and hey presto not as much more different than a Mac) is better put together, etc.
Look you can get 4 people in a Toyota and drive them around at 70 MPH relatively comfortably, and you can do the same in a Mercedes, but which ride will they enjoy most, and is it worth the extra money to you?
That's why there is a market for Macs! :apple:
 
Well, lets see how Windows 7 is before we give up on it. Some people have tried it and liked it. Leo Laporte has used it and thinks it is the first Windows a Mac user might like. However, he points out this is a beta version which may end up being quite unlike the final version. Right now it may not have all the "security" features that slow Vista down (apparently.)

I've tried the beta myself, and beneath it all its still just windows. I don't ever want to go back to that. The only way MS could get me to seriously consider running their OS again is if there is a massive OS X style from the ground up rewrite.
 
I don't get why its a mistake though?
The majority of people have to feel good about a commodity they just spent money on.

I'd wager that 90% of computers bought are never used anywhere near their actual potential anyway. Your average consumer does what, watch youtube, browse the net, maybe play with some pictures, and watch movies. You dont really need a 3.0 ghz processor or 4+ GB of ram for that. With that in mind does it really matter if a cheaper computer can outbenchmark another by a little?
It still doesn't prevent people from buying them even if it's overkill.
 
I can see your point of view as well, however. I do prefer OS X over Windows. :)

Ignorance, false claims, and things that can't be proven are said from both sides of this argument, and I'm just sick of it. Why do I even bother?

because cassie....
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***I've just always wanted to post that myself, as I've already seen someone do that here.
 
5) When she's deciding between the two, she says "But the look of that one is absolutely drawing me".... I don't really need to elaborate anymore.

Exactly, that was so comical, so funny to find that wreck of computer, with stickers all over the place, in a horrific shade of fake silver/gold puke drawing anybody...
 
BS. I own a small business and we buy both Macs and PCs. I've been doing this for years.

You're intentionally confusing quality with marketing specs.

If you price out a PC (let's say a Dell) and a Mac with similar specifications, the Dell will be cheaper. If you're actually honest with yourself, and add enough to the Dell that it has the same quality components (by which I mean the same graphics subsystem), the Dell will be about 15-25% cheaper.

If you aren't honest, and simply specify the same MHz rating but of components that have totally different performance per MHz (for instance)... well then you're just being dishonest and we have nothing to discuss.

Of course, run side by side, the Dell will still be slower, because similar programs run faster and more reliably on the similar-spec OS X machine. This is not an idle claim and I'm not interested in debating it... go try it yourself. To actually get similar performance out of the Dell, you have to specify a more powerful machine, and then the price benefit disappears (and there's no way to make the software as reliable, for any price).

What does this say about the OS that the ad is trying to push?

But even ignoring that, the Dell is built with much lower quality components, and it will need replacement within 1.5 to 2 years. This is especially true of cheap notebook computers, the subject of this ad. I'm writing this on an iMac that was purchased just under two years ago, and it runs perfectly well and has never crashed on me (not once). I expect at least another year on it before I give it up, and when I DO, it's going to be because I'm at the top of the food chain and I get to get the new gear... it will become someone else's machine. I will easily get 4-5 useful, snappy-performing years of service out of this machine, and in the interrim, I will not have had to pay for the repairs that the commodity PCs require.

I did in fact get 5 years out of my PowerBook, and was still happy with its performance, but upgraded so I could run VMWare to run Windows programs to help support our customers. Note that nothing I could have added to a Dell could have allowed it to run the Mac programs that I much prefer to use
for my own work.

Had I owned a Dell notebook, the chassis and hinges would have broken years ago.



In other words, in order to perform reasonably well, you have to go in and specify the actual components that the Mac ships with from the factory. It's well understood that for desktop-class machines, custom configurations exist so you can upgrade from the dirt-cheap components the manufacturer specifies in order to hit the dirt-cheap sale price.



Here we go again.... "lalala.. I've had my say and I'm not listening to you... lalala"

I own more PCs than Macs because my company does IT support and we support what the customer owns. I know what these things cost because I pay the bills, and I know exactly what breaks and what doesn't. PCs break, both the software and the race-to-the-bottom-of-the-barrel hardware.



A. It's not really much of a debate. There are really no true MS or Windows advocates out there, only MS and Windows apologists. If you claim otherwise you aren't really being realistic. The only arguments left out there for Windows is that it's what everyone else uses and because of that there's more software written for it. It's got inertia and that's not always a good thing. If there were no Mac or Linux for MS to need to copy, we'd still have Windows Me and Windows NT.

B. It's not a different issue. Did you not pay attention to the topic? MS is intentionally directing attention away from its own product with this ad campaign and it worked great... on you.

Last post I promise but come on guy. What are you talking about?

"If you're actually honest with yourself, and add enough to the Dell that it has the same quality components (by which I mean the same graphics subsystem)"

What does that even mean? graphics subsystem. I think I know what you are talking about but you might not want to go there.

"Of course, run side by side, the Dell will still be slower, because similar programs run faster and more reliably on the similar-spec OS X machine. This is not an idle claim and I'm not interested in debating it... go try it yourself. To actually get similar performance out of the Dell, you have to specify a more powerful machine, and then the price benefit disappears (and there's no way to make the software as reliable, for any price)."

This statement is just false. Lets not spread lies. For some tasks my mac is faster and easier for some tasks my pc destroys my mac. Pump the brakes on this whole argument.

"But even ignoring that, the Dell is built with much lower quality components, and it will need replacement within 1.5 to 2 years. This is especially true of cheap notebook computers, the subject of this ad."

Once again you are false. The hardware used on many of these laptops is the same. It scares me to think that the majority of people that use Macs actually think the hardware is superior to PC. The case is superior the hardware is the same. Don't you service computers for a living?
 
You know, there's a simple solution to whole argument of "quality components come at a higher price" and "Dell and HP are cheaper because they're crap" blah blah. The solution is to just build your own machine. You can do that, right? Just build a Mac hand selecting exactly which hardware you want, all high quality and saving a ton of money at the same time? Oh... oh, you can't build your own Mac? Sorry about that...
 
Talk about utter nonsense. :rolleyes:

True. If she's talking about personal use, as I assume you are, and her time is worthless, as yours is, then yes, it's total nonsense.

As one who has seen what crappy hardware and software has cost our company in downtime and IT costs, I will say that the upfront higher cost by a few hundred dollars is peanuts compared to what we spend when adding or removing printers or hang on to your seat, keeping exchange server running.

We're replacing all our workstations with Macs, one at a time, simply to save $ in these times.

I am anything but a fanboy. Don't even get me started on what I dislike about Macs millions of whackass ahem... "quirks".
 
You know, there's a simple solution to whole argument of "quality components come at a higher price" and "Dell and HP are cheaper because they're crap" blah blah. The solution is to just build your own machine. You can do that, right? Just build a Mac hand selecting exactly which hardware you want, all high quality and saving a ton of money at the same time? Oh... oh, you can't build your own Mac? Sorry about that...

Build your own bmw...oh you cant...
 
because cassie....
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***I've just always wanted to post that myself, as I've already seen someone do that here.

Ah yes, I'm a fan of XKCD myself.

I really need to stop reading and posting in these threads. They make me angry and I can't do anything about it, which just makes me even more pissed off. :eek:

My main stance is this: Some people prefer Windows, some Linux, some OS X. Some people are happy with their cheap PC's with Windows. Let them be, and try not to make snide comments of which this thread would be empty without.:rolleyes:
 
Notice she wants a Mac. She goes to the Apple store first!!!! Even in Windows commercials, the people want a Mac... She has to settle for a HP
 
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