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Didn't say whether she did or did not actually "shop" at the store, just pointing out that her price range vs Apple's prices would make it a short trip no matter what.

But not that short. Never that short. Not ever. In any case, it's still an ingenious scene. It's irrational to spend such a small amount of time there when they could have waited to turn on the camera for a few more seconds. Couldn't they at least try to trick us by giving it a reasonable semblance of reality?

It's downright insulting, and I almost believed that they were going on an unbiased Microsoft sponsored shopping spree (yeah, right:D). Trying to pass this falsehood off as a real mini documentary to draw in customers is complete posh. They could have made the commercial better, and I would have given them kudos for trying if it wasn't for that bit. What a waste.
 
Microsoft is right on with this ad. Apple is well aware that those who are loyal are willing to fork out dough without thinking about it. Nothing but a premium that helps pay for all the ads to keep everyone sucked in.

Here is your typical comparison. And in this case the PC is better equiped, yet look how much it costs :)

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Anyway, it says there that Windows 7 is actually 6.1 under the hood.

So?

If a program asks the OS for the version, the three characters "6.1" are returned.

What does this have to do with anything? Does it make Windows 7 better or worse?

No. It's a nonsensical implementation detail, that only people who go to the Microsoft equivalents of WWDC will need to know.

It has no, zero, nada relevance to any person using Windows 7.
 
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I work as an independent roving IT consultant. I am fluent with Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc.

This completely dismisses TCO. In fact, many times, I could walk up to a brand new Windows machine and it would effectively be totaled before I even sat down, because of just the cost of initial configuration and user info, settings migration, etc. On a Mac, settings, documents, etc. migration is a piece of cake. And the extra config beyond what's out of the box, is pretty minimal, unless it's a brand new machine, and even then, it's still much less than a PC.

By the time I take a typical Windows Vista box, rip out the crappy trialware virus software suite, all the other useless trialware, install AVGFree, get Firefox on it, download all of the Windows updates requiring umpteen reboots, fix all the useless extra crap from starting up in the system tray, and then migrate user data using some nightmare conglomeration of tools because the last machine was XP, etc. it's a huge cost at my regular rate.

Not to mention the TCO hit of me having to come back and right the ship a couple years down the line, when Vista starts getting bloated and addled with spyware, and lots of extra useless toolbars, printer monitor apps, etc. that all start bogging down the machine and the user has no idea what to do.

There is absolutely no question Macs are far cheaper to own. I see these costs every day in my business. And I see the frustration of end users. And yes Macs are way cooler. And you can do so much more.

Anyone using Windows is either a corporate user held hostage by Exchange, Active Directory, and their IT department, or just a fool who has been duped by Microsoft.

And when I managed several corporate IT departments that were Windows shops, I always allowed Mac users to coexist if they were willing to shoulder some of the burden. Of course after years of being second class citizens in the network, Mac users are far more savvy and self reliant than your typical Windows dolt. And they lower IT costs because they have a lot less in the way of stupid questions.

But, the dirty little secret, is that Windows makes me a lot of money. Thanks for producing crap MS, so I can fix it for suckers.
 
I work as an independent roving IT consultant. I am fluent with Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc.

This completely dismisses TCO. In fact, many times, I could walk up to a brand new Windows machine and it would effectively be totaled before I even sat down, because of just the cost of initial configuration and user info, settings migration, etc. On a Mac, settings, documents, etc. migration is a piece of cake. And the extra config beyond what's out of the box, is pretty minimal, unless it's a brand new machine, and even then, it's still much less than a PC.

By the time I take a typical Windows Vista box, rip out the crappy trialware virus software suite, all the other useless trialware, install AVGFree, get Firefox on it, download all of the Windows updates requiring umpteen reboots, fix all the useless extra crap from starting up in the system tray, and then migrate user data using some nightmare conglomeration of tools because the last machine was XP, etc. it's a huge cost at my regular rate.

Not to mention the TCO hit of me having to come back and right the ship a couple years down the line, when Vista starts getting bloated and addled with spyware, and lots of extra useless toolbars, printer monitor apps, etc. that all start bogging down the machine and the user has no idea what to do.

There is absolutely no question Macs are far cheaper to own. I see these costs every day in my business. And I see the frustration of end users. And yes Macs are way cooler. And you can do so much more.

Anyone using Windows is either a corporate user held hostage by Exchange, Active Directory, and their IT department, or just a fool who has been duped by Microsoft.

And when I managed several corporate IT departments that were Windows shops, I always allowed Mac users to coexist if they were willing to shoulder some of the burden. Of course after years of being second class citizens in the network, Mac users are far more savvy and self reliant than your typical Windows dolt. And they lower IT costs because they have a lot less in the way of stupid questions.

But, the dirty little secret, is that Windows makes me a lot of money. Thanks for producing crap MS, so I can fix it for suckers.

THANK YOU. Someone who understands. It is so frustrating to read the comments and see how many individuals gloss over this valid and logical argument. Upfront, Windows systems may be cheaper, but LONG TERM Windows systems are MUCH more expensive.

(and I loved your last comment. I've been working as an IT consultant for many years, the amount of money I make from diagnosing systems alone makes up for the difference in costs - and boy do I love when hard drives physically fail and data recovery is required, when you have them by the ba!!s, they'll may anything. Thanks Microsoft :) )
 
Microsoft is right on with this ad. Apple is well aware that those who are loyal are willing to fork out dough without thinking about it. Nothing but a premium that helps pay for all the ads to keep everyone sucked in.

Here is your typical comparison. And in this case the PC is better equiped, yet look how much it costs :)

Oh, don't buy memory upgrades from Apple. NEVER buy RAM from them. What kind of bargain shopper are you? Shame!
 
Microsoft is right on with this ad. Apple is well aware that those who are loyal are willing to fork out dough without thinking about it. Nothing but a premium that helps pay for all the ads to keep everyone sucked in.

Here is your typical comparison. And in this case the PC is better equiped, yet look how much it costs :)[/IMG]

Again,

It is about the software.

People who switch over say they do not regret it because of the time and money they save LONG TERM. Upfront you may be saving money, however over the (general) course you spend more money and time trying to fix all the things that do go wrong with a Windows system. You don't need Office or iWork (and iLife comes with every Mac); iCal, OS X Mail, iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie - they all come with the system. Similar consumer based software requires additional costs.

Bottom line, you may save money upfront with a Windows system, however you spend more time and money over the average usage of a Windows system then you would with a OS X based machine. Would you rather own a computer that requires more money and time to operate, or one that would allow the ability to get more work done and spend less time on the computer and more time enjoying life?

(not to mention Intel Mac's can run both OS X and Windows - and didn't PC Magazine rate the Mac the best machine to run Windows in 2008?)
 
I am a mac user, however I think this is pretty spot on, Apples are indeed overpriced too much for its current limited hardware choices and worser QC

Not at all. The pricing deters the riff-raff, like the entry cost and price of drinks in an upmarket bar.

The type of person using a Mac laptop in an airport is as much about Apple's image as any advertising they do. Leave the PC laptops for the scruffy backpackers and banal salesmen in off-the-shelf suits. And the girl in this ad.

Actually there's an analogy right there - a suit is a suit, so why do people pay $2000 for an Armani when they can get a $20 one from thrift? It's the same wool off the sheep's back, the same Chinese slaves milling and weaving it. It's the cut, style and fit you pay for. The industrial design of an Apple product.
 
Sorry, I work in IT, and I mean no offense, but that statement is really not accurate. If it were, then why are companies such as BestBuy's "Geek Squad" doing so well? Why is Apple's market share increasing steadily while many individuals have testified to their more pleasant experiences using Apple based OS X products? Certainly the average user on HERE may be more tech savvy (and I know you have made this point numerous times), we are not the average computer user. There are so many differing types, it isn't logical to generalize and assume. Most often (and in my 10+ years working in the field), computer users don't know the difference between a CD and DVD, USB drive and an Internal SATA, or what WiFi means.

I never claimed that the average person was tech savvy enough to do that. I said that anybody who was even a bit tech savvy would have no problem running Windows.

There are plenty of people who will run to the 'Geek Squad' they second something seems out of whack when they could find a solution on Google that would solve their problem.
 
Apple hardware is overpriced. That starts from the Mini and goes all the way to the server. I am not talking about cheap no-name products that are poor quality. And even if you value in the Apple design (which often comes at the expense of usability) the hardware is still overpriced. Compared to vendor such as IBM and Sun, Apple's warranty and support service also sucks big time.

And btw, I am an Apple user.
 
Irrelevant. How much would it cost for her to invent a shrink ray, grow some extra pixels, and hire someone with the aluminum touch? A PC from a few years ago with the same specs as a current one would go for about 1/3 of the amount of the new model, and that's exactly what the Mac essentially is. You are basically paying a premium to get a computer that is years ahead of its competitors, software, hardware, and design wise. I see unibody aluminum PCs with multitouch trackpads and no firewire ports in the future, but with Apple, at least you know it's not a knock-off of a four year old laptop.

I´ve got to disagree. Perhaps PCs of the future will have multi-touch trackpads. But perhaps Macs will support blu-ray. And the PCs of the future will obviously outperform the current Macs.

I seriously suggest you get someone else to prepare your opening statements... and everything else while they're at it (assuming you are going to actually argue cases in the courtroom of course). If you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of thousands of English teachers grinding their teeth...

No offense here, please. I'm not American, and English is not my mother language. Let's not get personal.
 
A Note On Mac-passion

WOW... SO MUCH PASSION IN THIS THREAD!!!

I love my mac, and I also despise Vista from personal experince. But I also think it's a clever campaign... and I think it's poitless for some mac users to take it personally. Remember: it's not personal: it's business!!!

I think Microsoft's intention is not to attack mac users, but rather appeal to the price difference there is between macs and PCs, which is undisputable in simple terms. This campaign is aimed to people that just want a computer... ¿which one? one they can afford (specially in this hard times).

Most people don't know and/or care much about slow RAM vs big RAM, dedicated video cards, firewire, wireless protocols, or processor's speed, display resolution, battery life, etc, etc, etc... and most people don't want to!!!

In my experience, most people see computers in simpler terms: big screen, wireless internet, shiny exterior, nice little lights, nice sound, and price. They do it not because they are morons, but because for them it's just a computer. Most only need something to surf the web, check their email, store some pictures, videos and music, and do some basic presentations, documents and spreadsheet work. They don't intend to make a living with their computers as tools (as some of us mac users do), and most of them don't visit forums like this one (let alone belong to such intense community).

As for the operating system, I think most people do know that vista sucks. But they have learned to live with it, since Microsoft's is the only OS they've known in school and work... and since they don't depend on their machines as much as others, most don't care enough to try something else.

The bottom line: most people care more about their wallet than they do about their personal computer. Don´t get me wrong: I switched to mac almost 3 years ago, and I know macs are better products and better value by far. But in this hard economic times, Microsoft's campaign poses a very powerful argument for most people, even those that do know mac's value, but also face financial challenges that force them to postpone the "coolness" of switching to mac. Microsoft's message: "keep it low, keep it simple- now is not the time to go over your budget".

And as an end note- as a mac user, I always welcome some price competition. That might motivate Apple to keep a leash on their prices and push for better products every year... don't we?
 
Exactly. And now that has been decided, this thread can end.

Not quite...

I´ve got to disagree. Perhaps PCs of the future will have multi-touch trackpads. But perhaps Macs will support blu-ray. And the PCs of the future will obviously outperform the current Macs.

I don't see that as being obvious. If anything, the deals Apple has been able to make with other companies to get them to make custom processors and other things for them is a step past the competition in that area, and I bet they'll have a read/write drive for the next DVD standard before the rest (the only reason they skipped on Blu-Ray was because they didn't think it was impressive enough). I'm sure they'll add Blu-Ray eventually, but to most people, that isn't such a big deal.

The trackpad, on the other hand, is utilized virtually every time the laptop is used, as are most other features PC manufacturers have copied from Macs. By the time the PC makers throw out a dirt cheap, unwieldy, aluminum unibody, multi-touch 17" (even that standard size was Apple's idea originally) laptop, Apple will have a fully glass computer released packing a hologram based interface and DNA, voice, and retina scan recognition security features.

The Mac + 3-4yrs = PC dynamic isn't going anywhere fast.

No offense here, please. I'm not American, and English is not my mother language. Let's not get personal.

Ok, I take it back. What is your first language?
 
Making a Purchase

There is an old saying.

Buy Junk, Buy Twice.

So lets break this down.

1. Service from BestBuy. Are you freaking kidding me!!!
2. Windows Vista, need I say more...
3. Titanic size and weight
4. Battery life reminiscent of something from the 80's
5. Paper or Plastic? Hum, Plastic this way it lasts at least one year...
6. Shared Memory and Blurry Screen

I'm not saying a Mac is a Rolex, but for God sake if you want a Rolex don't create a budget for a Timex. Life is all about choice and you do get what you pay for.
 
I never claimed that the average person was tech savvy enough to do that. I said that anybody who was even a bit tech savvy would have no problem running Windows.

There are plenty of people who will run to the 'Geek Squad' they second something seems out of whack when they could find a solution on Google that would solve their problem.

Ok, so assuming that most do understand the basics of computer systems. Working with that assumption:

1) Preventative Measures: Windows machines require additional protection software to ensure a smooth operating system. Such software costs money, and in the case of anti-virus definitions, require yearly subscriptions. In addition to virus protection, system utilities for system optimization and file defragmenting are required as, honestly, the system utilities offered with Windows are not nearly as adequate as commercially available software. Thus the cost of the average Windows based system increases depending on the security software purchased. The average cost of All-In-One preventative software is roughly $100 (Norton 360 varies between $79.99 - $134.99) + annual subscriptions.

2) Rescue Measures: If preventative measures fail, then more time (and money) is required in scanning, quarantining and deleting viruses and adware. In some cases physical damage may result from WORMS and other malware, requiring new hardware and data rescue. Not only does this require more money, but hours if not days may be spent in such instances.

3) Additional Non-Preventative Software: As Windows OS does not include multimedia suites for music, movies, photography and web site publication (iLife comes with every Mac and may be purchased for $79), obtaining such software will increase the upfront cost of a comparable system. Discussing productivity suites such as iWork verses Office, and there is a considerable difference in price.

4) Time: Assuming the average user is knowledgeable enough in diagnosing and repairing system issues, is the time spent on such matters worth the upfront financial savings? Personally, if I weren't working in IT (part-time now as I am in grad school), I would rather not spend hours, and sometimes days, fixing and diagnosing system issues that I would not normally encounter on an OS X based system.

5) Overall Ergonomics and Design: There is little debate that under lead Industrial Designer Jonathan Ive that Apple designs more friendly and ergonomically pleasing products. Apple spends a lot of money and time researching the hardware and HID that are factored into computer technology for the everyday and average user to ensure a much more streamlined experience with more eye pleasing designs. The iMac is a great system, running mobile based processors in an all-in-one system that run just as well, if not better, in benchmark tests to comparable Windows desktop hardware. Most users welcome the lack of wires, camera's, clutter with an iMac system, and don't need the power and energy usage of a desktop Windows based system. In this instance, simplicity of design makes a positive impact on every day computer users' lives.

6) Ease of Use: Applications that Mac users take for granted such as Mail, iCal, even the Dock and Exposé (and now "Time Machine") are taken for granted as basic Windows systems do not come with equivalent programs (the only programs that are comparable that spring to mind are Microsoft Office, but that costs $150+). Not only do these programs come standard on Mac OS X machines, they generally are more eye pleasing than their available Windows counterparts and they are generally easier to assimilate to and operate.

7) Mac OS X versus Windows System Upgrades: Through time, most Mac systems outlive and outperform their Windows based counterparts. As I have stated, I have rewritten Leopard in order to lower Leopards system requirements to below 800 MHz in order to install it on an almost decade old eMac. Not only did it run without requiring additional hardware investments (unlike XP to Vista upgrades), it ran better. Benchmark tests demonstrated that a 450 MHz eMac running 10.5.2 ran better than a Windows XP Intel 1.35 GHz system with 1 GB RAM. Granted, the average user will not possess the knowledge to rewrite an OS installation in order for it to be installed on older hardware. However, as most Windows system owners discovered, upgrading from XP or ME to the newest operating system required more RAM and improved graphics cards in order to take advantage of all the available improvements (not to mention a sliding scale in purchase costs ranging from $189-$349 for various Vista packages). Mac OS X came in one package, one cost, $129, and didn't require a different hardware for the average Mac OS X user (PowerPC G4 ~867 MHz users were able to upgrade, however Leopard is able to run on much older and slower hardware).

Both systems have pro's and con's, however this is marginally false advertising that the general public will eat up like mushy mush (sorry, couldn't resist the Alec Baldwin "Hulu" reference). Initial costs of an average Windows system may be less expensive than a Mac OS X based counterpart. Once factoring in additional software costs as well as operating costs over it's reasonable lifetime (as well as time spent on additional Windows operations and possible repairs), the financial (and time) investment of an Apple OS X system is much less than that of a Windows based system.
 
Ha!

"Hi. I' Lauren, and today I will look at a notebook with a 17" screen, 4GB RAM, a 250GB HDD, and sucks like all hell! And that Mac Store looked better than the local tech spot anyway!"
 
Not at all. The pricing deters the riff-raff, like the entry cost and price of drinks in an upmarket bar.

The type of person using a Mac laptop in an airport is as much about Apple's image as any advertising they do. Leave the PC laptops for the scruffy backpackers and banal salesmen in off-the-shelf suits. And the girl in this ad.

Actually there's an analogy right there - a suit is a suit, so why do people pay $2000 for an Armani when they can get a $20 one from thrift? It's the same wool off the sheep's back, the same Chinese slaves milling and weaving it. It's the cut, style and fit you pay for. The industrial design of an Apple product.

Now see funny you mention industrial design of a mac. To me they are now taking the easy route design wise instead of progressing computers design. Oh I add black and its a new design. I'm all for the Unibody technique but thats one of those processes where you just wonder why this wasn't already being done. I'm not saying I don't like the look of my Mac, but their are computers out there that catch my attention, to me I skip past the mac now because I feel "its been done."

And I'm certainly not paying for their design in the future unless they get rid off that gloss and black on everything. I don't mind all black like the black book, but the black on silver with white accents (the apple logo) isn't working for me.
 
I just helped someone choose an HP, not a bad laptop at all for their needs. I suggested they buy a MacBook, but the individual didn't want to deal with the learning curve

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...ory&v1=Ultra-Portable&series_name=dv3z_series

Configured it was like; $ 869 (3GB Ram and 320GB HD)
Nod-32 A/V was $ 60 for a year
Adobe Premier Elements was $ 55 or thereabouts
It came with Roxio Photosuite but he wanted Photoshop Elements $ 60
He received works, i believe and some office software from Corel but wanted a home and student version of Office , i believe it was $90

Yes it's AMD but Not a bad computer for about $1100 but still no MacBook, for the extra $100-$400 depending on config, the MacBook would have been much better.
 
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