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How can you tell me how much I am going to save? I wouldn't use a SINGLE app that you mentioned. Really, not one of them.

I've owned a Macbook Pro before and it was great but sold it when I joined the corporate world as I no longer had any use for it. Ironically, I pretty much got back what I paid and it was 2 years old.

Seriously though, I don't see how a Mac would save me a single cent.

Again,

It is about the software.

People who switch over say they do not regret it because of the time and money they save LONG TERM. Upfront you may be saving money, however over the (general) course you spend more money and time trying to fix all the things that do go wrong with a Windows system. You don't need Office or iWork (and iLife comes with every Mac); iCal, OS X Mail, iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie - they all come with the system. Similar consumer based software requires additional costs.

Bottom line, you may save money upfront with a Windows system, however you spend more time and money over the average usage of a Windows system then you would with a OS X based machine. Would you rather own a computer that requires more money and time to operate, or one that would allow the ability to get more work done and spend less time on the computer and more time enjoying life?

(not to mention Intel Mac's can run both OS X and Windows - and didn't PC Magazine rate the Mac the best machine to run Windows in 2008?)
 
Great ad IMO. Speaks the truth. Apple should get off its high horse and create a netbook for $699. If HP can sell a 17" notebook for that price, how on earth can Apple not make a sub $1000 netbook? If that means stripping out inessential features like a touch screen, then so be it.
 
Re-sale value?

Did anyone mention resale value?

I just sold my 2 year old Mac Book Pro
and got half what I originally paid, and it had a dent in the front.

Try selling a 2 year old PC and see how much you get for that Lauren!

She is very cute, but I think maybe Math is not her strong subject, so here it is.

Selling a $999 MacBook would get you $600 (mint condition) in 2 years for a MacBook (so cost is $400 over 2 years)

$699 would get maybe $100 for a PC if you can find a buyer (cost is $599 over 2 years)

In this case. A Mac is $200 cheaper than a PC.
 
Well you obviously don't own any Armani suits :)

I don't see how the Mac is unique in anyway, same hardware, one designed in California, the other designed in your kitchen or home office.

Not at all. The pricing deters the riff-raff, like the entry cost and price of drinks in an upmarket bar.

The type of person using a Mac laptop in an airport is as much about Apple's image as any advertising they do. Leave the PC laptops for the scruffy backpackers and banal salesmen in off-the-shelf suits. And the girl in this ad.

Actually there's an analogy right there - a suit is a suit, so why do people pay $2000 for an Armani when they can get a $20 one from thrift? It's the same wool off the sheep's back, the same Chinese slaves milling and weaving it. It's the cut, style and fit you pay for. The industrial design of an Apple product.
 
How can you tell me how much I am going to save? I wouldn't use a SINGLE app that you mentioned. Really, not one of them.

I've owned a Macbook Pro before and it was great but sold it when I joined the corporate world as I no longer had any use for it. Ironically, I pretty much got back what I paid and it was 2 years old.

Seriously though, I don't see how a Mac would save me a single cent.

So you don't use your computer for email, appointments, word processing, personal music and photographs, communication, productivity - well, what do you use it for then? A paperweight?

Well you obviously don't own any Armani suits :)

I don't see how the Mac is unique in anyway, same hardware, one designed in California, the other designed in your kitchen or home office.

So then why have you been on a Mac based site since 2007? :confused:
 
I don't see that as being obvious. If anything, the deals Apple has been able to make with other companies to get them to make custom processors and other things for them is a step past the competition in that area, and I bet they'll have a read/write drive for the next DVD standard before the rest (the only reason they skipped on Blu-Ray was because they didn't think it was impressive enough). I'm sure they'll add Blu-Ray eventually, but to most people, that isn't such a big deal.

Well, the custom processors seemed to be modified versions of the laptop processors (in the case of the iMacs - are there any other custom processors in the Mac product line?), not a big deal.

The trackpad, on the other hand, is utilized virtually every time the laptop is used, as are most other features PC manufacturers have copied from Macs. By the time the PC makers throw out a dirt cheap, unwieldy, aluminum unibody, multi-touch 17" (even that standard size was Apple's idea originally) laptop, Apple will have a fully glass computer released packing a hologram based interface and DNA, voice, and retina scan recognition security features.

I prefer to use a mouse... but it's just a question of personal preference. Apple is certainly years ahead of the competition with the multi-touch trackpad. As to the aluminium unibody, I doubt there will be another company to use it... ,

The Mac + 3-4yrs = PC dynamic isn't going anywhere fast.

But the speed of PCs will be much higher than the speed of current Macs (of course).

Ok, I take it back. What is your first language?

Portuguese.
 
1) Preventative Measures: Windows machines require additional protection software to ensure a smooth operating system. Such software costs money, and in the case of anti-virus definitions, require yearly subscriptions. In addition to virus protection, system utilities for system optimization and file defragmenting are required as, honestly, the system utilities offered with Windows are not nearly as adequate as commercially available software. Thus the cost of the average Windows based system increases depending on the security software purchased. The average cost of All-In-One preventative software is roughly $100 (Norton 360 varies between $79.99 - $134.99) + annual subscriptions.

I had an HP Pavillion dv6000 (still do actually, though I rarely use it now). I never paid for any preventative anti-virus software. There are plenty of capable free programs online. I also never paid for a yearly subscription. I did pay a $20 one time fee for a system optimization program.

2) Rescue Measures: If preventative measures fail, then more time (and money) is required in scanning, quarantining and deleting viruses and adware. In some cases physical damage may result from WORMS and other malware, requiring new hardware and data rescue. Not only does this require more money, but hours if not days may be spent in such instances.

Malwarebytes is plenty capable of doing all of that at absolutely no cost. Most cases you can wipe your computer clean in less than an hour. I have no clue what you are working on that takes hours or even days.

3) Additional Non-Preventative Software: As Windows OS does not include multimedia suites for music, movies, photography and web site publication (iLife comes with every Mac and may be purchased for $79), obtaining such software will increase the upfront cost of a comparable system. Discussing productivity suites such as iWork verses Office, and there is a considerable difference in price.

Open Office can be had for free, and there are many ways (including student discounts) to pay very reasonable prices for Office.

4) Time: Assuming the average user is knowledgeable enough in diagnosing and repairing system issues, is the time spent on such matters worth the upfront financial savings? Personally, if I weren't working in IT (part-time now as I am in grad school), I would rather not spent hours, and sometimes days, fixing and diagnosing system issues that I would not normally encounter on an OS X based system.

This is so ridiculous. Anybody who is capable of diagnosing and repairing these system issues (I understand, that is not everybody) would never get themselves into a problem that would take hours or days to fix.

5) Overall Ergonomics and Design: There is little debate that under lead Industrial Designer Jonathan Ive that Apple designs more friendly and ergonomically pleasing products. Apple spends a lot of money and time researching the hardware and HID that are factored into computer technology for the everyday and average user to ensure a much more streamlined experience with more eye pleasing designs. The iMac is a great system, running mobile based processors in an all-in-one system that run just as well, if not better, in benchmark tests to comparable Windows hardware. Most users welcome the lack of wires, camera's, clutter with an iMac system, and don't need the power and energy usage of a desktop Windows based system. In this instance, simplicity of design makes a use positive impact on every day computer users' lives.

I agree with this point, though I believe it to be almost completely function over form.

6) Ease of Use: Applications that Mac users take for granted such as Mail, iCal, even the Dock and Exposé (and now "Time Machine") are taken for granted as basic Windows systems do not come with equivalent programs (the only programs that are comparable that spring to mind are Microsoft Office, but that costs $150+). Not only do these programs come standard on Mac OS X machines, they generally are more eye pleasing than their available Windows counterparts and they are generally easier to assimilate to and operate.

Now it seems like we are straying away from the discussion we were having. I do not believe that I ever claimed that I prefered Windows and its applications to OSX.

7) Mac OS X versus Windows System Upgrades: Through time, most Mac systems outlive and outperform their Windows based counterparts. As I have stated, I have rewritten Leopard in order to lower Leopards system requirements to below 800 MHz in order to install it on an almost decade old eMac. Not only did it run without requiring additional hardware investments (unlike XP to Vista upgrades), it ran better. Benchmark tests demonstrated that a 450 MHz eMac running 10.5.2 ran better than a Windows XP Intel 1.35 GHz system with 1 GB RAM.

XP to Vista would be a completely optional upgrade. Including an expense there is not necessary.

Both systems have pro's and con's, however this is marginally false advertising that the general public will eat up like mushy mush (sorry, couldn't resist the Alec Baldwin "Hulu" reference). Initial costs of an average Windows system may be less expensive than a Mac OS X based counterpart. Once factoring in additional software costs as well as operating costs over it's reasonable lifetime, the financial investment of an Apple OS X system is much less than that of a Windows based system.

It is not false. You can, and many people do, buy a cheap PC and use it for daily functions such as web surfing, email, storing photos/media for a much cheaper price than you can a Mac. To say otherwise just shows that you are out of touch. A $600 laptop is perfectly capable of doing anything the "average" consumer needs. Even if you charged them $150 for Office and $100 for preventative software, then tag on another $100 for repair you are under the cost of a MB.

And those are very generous numbers. We choose Mac because they make great products, higher quality products. Not because we are trying to save money.
 
I still would never go back to Windows.


All these ad campaigns from Microsoft just make them look like they're running scared and have to ween people into buying their product. Sure the Get-A-Mac made some jabs at Vista, but nothing this straight forward. It almost seems like a pathetic attempt at redemption.
 
Well, the custom processors seemed to be modified versions of the laptop processors (in the case of the iMacs - are there any other custom processors in the Mac product line?), not a big deal.
Actually I remember those "special" processors being listed on Intel's site and available to all manufacturers.

Core 2 Duo E8435 for the 3.06 GHz version.

Portuguese.
Spanish here. :D
 
So you don't use your computer for email, appointments, word processing, personal music and photographs, communication, productivity - well, what do you use it for then? A paperweight?



So then why have you been on a Mac based site since 2007? :confused:

Hrm, wanted to buy one since 2007 :)

Here is the list of Apps I use: Outlook, MS Office, Gmail, IBM RAD, Visual Studio, Photoshop, Lightroom, Ninja Trader, Button Trader and Sierra Charts.
 
PC's are cheap if you don't factor in the time you need to:
- Remove all the bloatware
- Reinstall the OS to keep your data in a different partition (you need this in Leopard as well, but it's a much simpler process thanks to *nix roots)
- Get an antivirus program

I spent far more time tinkering with my old PC's than my new mac, because it's pretty much close to how I want it to be out of the box.

I bill $70/hour, so a PC would eventually end up costing me more.
 
Apple could easily pull the same exact stunt, with an ad comparing a Mac to Dell's Adamo. :) $2000 starting and not configurable.
 
I'm surprised the (two? :) IT consultants/gurus here have had so much trouble in the past with average windows machine and their tco. Maybe your past computers have all been slow because you install $100 norton suites, 'optimization software' (?), dvd recorders and playback software? :)
You could spend a couple of minutes on sourceforge/etc getting any software you need, and it won't add a penny to your purchase.

I liked the comments about osx mail being an amazing app that supports email without a browser and worms breaking all your hardware though.
 
I used to think Apple computers were too expensive until I stopped looking at the price tag and looked at the cost of ownership.

I bought an iBook 5 years ago, think I paid around $1200. Then I used it for 5 years, sold it for $500 and used that money toward my new aluminum MacBook. And truthfully I really could have kept on using the iBook for a few more years – it still worked perfectly and ran Leopard like a champ.

Cost of ownership is much more important than price. Once you look at the included software, the stability of the OS, the longevity of usefulness, and the resale value; Apple computers are LESS expensive to own than the competition!

I read that the average MS user buys a new computer every two years. How often do you all buy new Macs?
 
Hrm, wanted to buy one since 2007 :)

Here is the list of Apps I use: Outlook, MS Office, Gmail, IBM RAD, Visual Studio, Photoshop, Lightroom, Ninja Trader, Button Trader and Sierra Charts.

I have to use outlook at work, and I breathe a sigh of relief when I come home to my mac and use the built in mail program. Outlook sucks, it's DOG SLOW compared to Apple Mail.
 
But the speed of PCs will be much higher than the speed of current Macs (of course).

They will be labeled as faster, but there many other things that affect speed (our 3.0Ghz PC is slower than an upside-down turtle), especially if you are comparing computers with all the necessary software installed (spyware/antivirus, update centers, ect.) and it comes down to a race from the 'off' position to a fully loaded MacRumors home page. The top of the line Macs of today will still give them a run for their money in a few years, especially since they'll still be running the newest version of the Mac OS.
 
We choose Mac because they make great products, higher quality products. Not because we are trying to save money.

We agree on that statement. My numbers were not general, I went right on the web and pulled them off their respective sites. As per your claim, most individuals would not have the time in researching cheaper alternatives, and if what you state is true, then you may have been playing Russian roulette with your Windows system. 90% of my clientele are Windows users who have virus, malware and bloat issues. Most of them were running protective software ranging from Norton, McAfee and CA systems. Most knew better, but given phishing sites, etc. most were victims without ever knowing it until it was too late. Much of the software you mentioned does not even compare to the same software available for Mac OS. It is Apples and oranges (couldn't resist). Certainly you may be able to use it for writing a word document, but what is the quality and efficiency in speed of that process when compared to their better counterparts? Further, upgrading from XP to Vista may be optional, but that wasn't my point. Upgrades are always optional. My point was that upgrading that hardware will not cost you as much on a Mac as it will on a Windows operated system. At some point, the upgrade will be less optional as software requirements may inevitably lead to OS upgrades (such is the case for every day web usage, many browsers require Flash and other additional web applications to peruse a good deal of internet content).

It seems you are nitpicking in what is classified as average within the Windows market, just as this ad campaign seems to be suggesting. If you want to compare a stripped down, no thrills, netbook, then do so. This is not about bare bones systems. However, this ad campaign is "suggesting" that someone who uses their system for productivity, email, etc. can do so as well or better than a Mac for less financial investment. That is not exactly accurate.
 
I'm surprised the (two? :) IT consultants/gurus here have had so much trouble in the past with average windows machine and their tco. Maybe your past computers have all been slow because you install $100 norton suites, 'optimization software' (?), dvd recorders and playback software? :)
You could spend a couple of minutes on sourceforge/etc getting any software you need, and it won't add a penny to your purchase.

I liked the comments about osx mail being an amazing app that supports email without a browser and worms breaking all your hardware though.

Exactly. I almost feel bad for these "IT experts" who are having such enormous problems with PCs. They probably make a lot of money charging for lots of hours though.

I used to think Apple computers were too expensive until I stopped looking at the price tag and looked at the cost of ownership.

I bought an iBook 5 years ago, think I paid around $1200. Then I used it for 5 years, sold it for $500 and used that money toward my new aluminum MacBook. And truthfully I really could have kept on using the iBook for a few more years – it still worked perfectly and ran Leopard like a champ.

Cost of ownership is much more important than price. Once you look at the included software, the stability of the OS, the longevity of usefulness, and the resale value; Apple computers are LESS expensive to own than the competition!

I read that the average MS user buys a new computer every two years. How often do you all buy new Macs?

In 7 years I had a Sony Vaio and a HP dv6000. Sony lasted a little longer. Recently purchased a new MB. Hopefully it lasts me 5 years. :D
 
PC's are cheap if you don't factor in the time you need to:
- Remove all the bloatware
- Reinstall the OS to keep your data in a different partition (you need this in Leopard as well, but it's a much simpler process thanks to *nix roots)
- Get an antivirus program

I spent far more time tinkering with my old PC's than my new mac, because it's pretty much close to how I want it to be out of the box.

I bill $70/hour, so a PC would eventually end up costing me more.

I bill $50, maybe I should increase my rate :mad:
 
I used to think Apple computers were too expensive until I stopped looking at the price tag and looked at the cost of ownership.

I bought an iBook 5 years ago, think I paid around $1200. Then I used it for 5 years, sold it for $500 and used that money toward my new aluminum MacBook. And truthfully I really could have kept on using the iBook for a few more years – it still worked perfectly and ran Leopard like a champ.

Cost of ownership is much more important than price. Once you look at the included software, the stability of the OS, the longevity of usefulness, and the resale value; Apple computers are LESS expensive to own than the competition!

I read that the average MS user buys a new computer every two years. How often do you all buy new Macs?

I have a nine year old Pismo G3, an eight year old iMac, one five year old iBook, and one one and a half year old Black MacBook. They still run great, and we carry them everywhere (except the iMac :p). Not a single repair yet! Couldn't be more satisfied.
 
I'm surprised the (two? :) IT consultants/gurus here have had so much trouble in the past with average windows machine and their tco. Maybe your past computers have all been slow because you install $100 norton suites, 'optimization software' (?), dvd recorders and playback software? :)
You could spend a couple of minutes on sourceforge/etc getting any software you need, and it won't add a penny to your purchase.

I liked the comments about osx mail being an amazing app that supports email without a browser and worms breaking all your hardware though.

I never made any mention of my own experiences, I stated that of others. My personal work progressed from building my own Windows based machines for college use for myself then for others. I studied organizational psychology at Stanford then Columbia, but left my masters and PhD to pursue design. I am proficient in Windows 3.1-Vista, OS 9-X, Server environments to Lunix. My point in mentioning all this unescessary information, this is not about me, but my experiences with hundreds of computer users :).
 
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