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Why do so many people here think that a worst case Windows 95 scenario is waiting for everyone who picks up a Vista system?
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Keep typing this garbage until you believe it.
Why do so many people here think that a worst case Windows 95 scenario is waiting for everyone who picks up a Vista system?
... and their iPhones...
(I'm at Starbucks right now, glad I brought my Thinkpad....)
Wait, wait, wait...Just yesterday, I was at a coffee shop for four and a half hours with my Macbook and staff paper, working on music, and my iPhone out to check emails, IMs, et cetera...are you telling me that I'm arrogant for "daring" to actually use the things I bought anywhere but in the seclusion of my own home?
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Ignorancy.
I must say that, as a devoutuser, I do take a little offense to the "not cool enough" jab by the actress in the commercial, as well as the same sentiment from thousands of others.
Oh really? And what about the Mac ad with the gorgeous Giselle Bunchen vs. PC's ugly she-male?
Mac's coolness factor (due to their prices) are about as cool as me going out and buying a sports car...sure, I can do it...I'll look cool and people will like the sports car, but for the actual USE of USING the car it's probably a high price to pay for an averae Joe like me. I think a lot of people love LOOKING at the Apple products...then walk into the store or website and think "is this price right?" and realize that the sex factor is similar to buying a sexy car. Does the price justify the sexiness?....a lot of times for a lot of people the answer is no.
Some may like to pay that price. I'm not judging. To each his own.
I have no idea. My mom uses a 3yr old Dell laptop I bought her for Christmas one year and the only thing I've done to it was upgrade the RAM from 512MB to 2GB.
My mom isn't nearly as computer savy as people here claim to be with their Macs yet you mention someone getting a PC they proclaim that you'll have to reformat and reinstall Windows every 15 minutes due to virii and trojans.
How does that make any sense?
This is a fairly pointless thread.
Can you buy a PC for less than a Mac? Well duuuuuuuuuuh! This is the horse MS rode to dominate the OS market, and in these tough economic times, it makes sense for them to go back to the well again.
The whole point of most of the posts in this thread is to fulfill a basic human need to have ones decision validated by groupthink. To this end people post reams of anecdotal evidence with the underlying purpose of showing they're the smartest SOB on the planet and they're right and anyone who made a different decision is wrong.
If you value the "Mac Experience", and think Mac OSX is a superior platform to Windows, then you're going to pay more for fewer hardware choices. Get used to it, buy the Mac, go on down the road, and don't let any MS Fanbois convince you that you made a bad choice. It was the right choice for you.
On the other hand, if you don't think Mac is worth the premium, buy the lower cost PC, go on down the road, and don't let any Mac Fanbois convince you that you made a bad choice. It was the right choice for you.
And for those who think Apple just has to offer some lower priced options, guess what, that's not their business model. Their business model is selling a perceived premium product at a premium price. And they've rode that business model from the brink of ruin to being one of the most profitable tech companies in the world. I'd be surprised if they change anytime soon.
Can you buy a PC for less than a Mac? Well duuuuuuuuuuh! This is the horse MS rode to dominate the OS market, and in these tough economic times, it makes sense for them to go back to the well again.
The whole point of most of the posts in this thread is to fulfill a basic human need to have ones decision validated by groupthink. To this end people post reams of anecdotal evidence with the underlying purpose of showing they're the smartest SOB on the planet and they're right and anyone who made a different decision is wrong.
If you value the "Mac Experience", and think Mac OSX is a superior platform to Windows, then you're going to pay more for fewer hardware choices. Get used to it, buy the Mac, go on down the road, and don't let any MS Fanbois convince you that you made a bad choice. It was the right choice for you.
On the other hand, if you don't think Mac is worth the premium, buy the lower cost PC, go on down the road, and don't let any Mac Fanbois convince you that you made a bad choice. It was the right choice for you.
And for those who think Apple just has to offer some lower priced options, guess what, that's not their business model. Their business model is selling a perceived premium product at a premium price. And they've rode that business model from the brink of ruin to being one of the most profitable tech companies in the world. I'd be surprised if they change anytime soon.
As long as you don't leave your iPhone out on the table next to the Mac for everyone to see while sitting in a "high traffic area"...
BTW, your avatar scares me....
That concept got NASA to the moon and back several times. What makes you think Apple doesn't put parts out for bid?
It's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one's safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract.
Alan Shepard
I don't care about the rest of your post...that's why I only quoted your opening statement.
As long as you don't leave your iPhone out on the table next to the Mac for everyone to see while sitting in a "high traffic area"...
BTW, your avatar scares me....
I left my iPhone out for basically the whole four and a half hours, because I was using it. Most of the time, the place was essentially empty, but I'm not about to rush my phone into my pocket when people walk in so I don't feel like I'm flaunting.
This is why we are in such a mess and in a recession.
You have no money, but you still want to buy a laptop, but not just "a laptop" it has to be 17".
Why did you buy a $27,000 convertible Beetle (which by the way I'm sure doesn't belong to you but to the ad company...) instead of a brand new Tata Nano http://tatanano.inservices.tatamotors.com/tatamotors/ for only $2500?!?
They have the same color, why would VW charge more?
And by the way, Microsoft is so ashamed of their products that in order to make a commercial they have to advertise :
1) Volkswagen
2) HP
3) Best Buy
You have no money, but you still want to buy a laptop, but not just "a laptop" it has to be 17".
Why did you buy a $27,000 convertible Beetle (which by the way I'm sure doesn't belong to you but to the ad company...) instead of a brand new Tata Nano http://tatanano.inservices.tatamotors.com/tatamotors/ for only $2500?!?
They have the same color, why would VW charge more?
And by the way, Microsoft is so ashamed of their products that in order to make a commercial they have to advertise :
1) Volkswagen
2) HP
3) Best Buy
I have no idea. My mom uses a 3yr old Dell laptop I bought her for Christmas one year and the only thing I've done to it was upgrade the RAM from 512MB to 2GB.
My mom isn't nearly as computer savy as people here claim to be with their Macs yet you mention someone getting a PC they proclaim that you'll have to reformat and reinstall Windows every 15 minutes due to virii and trojans.
How does that make any sense?
Maybe the other guy(s?) doesn't really know what he's doing and has managed to bodge the install each time. Strangely windows works fine, it's people that assume they know what they're doing with regards to the install/drivers/software choices etc that tend to break things.
The same people tend to spout the 'macs run windows better than pcs' rubbish too - obviously they don't, hardware is just hardware. A bootcamp install give you all the drivers (like any oem), which saves people the trouble of making their system unstable.
Audi
I went to the Audi dealership and couldn't find anything under 20k.
ended up with a really cool Kia though!
what's really screwed up about these ads is that MS doesn't even make computers.
puzzling, strange, dinosaur company.
I went to the Audi dealership and couldn't find anything under 20k.
ended up with a really cool Kia though!
what's really screwed up about these ads is that MS doesn't even make computers.
puzzling, strange, dinosaur company.
I will have to take another look at the site...I visited it awhile back and found it a bit confusing on exactly what to do.
I'm extremely versed in pc land...hardware and software. Mac's not so well as I frankly haven't had much of a need to play on the Mini.
What I'd love to do is leverage my existing Dell 530 (4gig ram, quad core) with OSX for a nice dual boot...maybe see how fast iDVD renders and such (the mini with its 2gig and 5400rpm drive is a dog...but I'm thinking of upping it to 4gig and a 7200rpm drive).
I'll poke around the site again.
-Eric
I have to confess that I havn't read all the comments here but agree with those who have pointed out that this is just an ad aimed at price alone and I can't help but think this is an open invitation to Apple to continue the conversation.
From an advertising viewpoint does it reach apple's potential market, maybe, but I should imagine only a small proportion. At risk of exposing my ignorance about cars, isn't this a bit like Peugeot running an ad where a person goes into a Maserati dealer and comes out saying the cars are too expensive and then buying a 205?
They're just not comparing apples with.......(opps sorry)!
From an advertising viewpoint does it reach apple's potential market, maybe, but I should imagine only a small proportion. At risk of exposing my ignorance about cars, isn't this a bit like Peugeot running an ad where a person goes into a Maserati dealer and comes out saying the cars are too expensive and then buying a 205?
They're just not comparing apples with.......(opps sorry)!
Second Hand Value
Yes mac's are very expensive but they also hold their value
I have a new macbook pro and have applecare so after 2 or so years I will sell it on ebay and expect to get about 60% of the original purchase price if looked after.
This way I can have always have the latest mac laptop at little more than PC laptop ownership after the initial investment
I have a Toshiba Satellite pro that is 2 to 3 years old and its value on ebay is about 20 pounds
Yes mac's are very expensive but they also hold their value
I have a new macbook pro and have applecare so after 2 or so years I will sell it on ebay and expect to get about 60% of the original purchase price if looked after.
This way I can have always have the latest mac laptop at little more than PC laptop ownership after the initial investment
I have a Toshiba Satellite pro that is 2 to 3 years old and its value on ebay is about 20 pounds
Exactly. The mythical 'average user' is an unstable, support-demanding demographic. Other companies are better suited for this market.
Well, the cool/elitist factor has been inadvertently perpetuated by all those Mac vs. PC commercials. The original plan was probably to have PC guy be creepy and unpleasant and Mac being just a relaxed, nice, no-nonsense guy. But most viewers probably ended up rooting for PC, because Justin Long comes off as an arrogant jerk while John Hodgman comes off as adorably helpless. This left an open goal for Microsoft who eventually stepped in and said "Heck yeah, I'm a PC... we're all PC... so?"
Apple never called themselves cool. And they aren't. Jonny Ive is kind of cool, and Steve Jobs is certainly cooler than Bill Gates (the bar is pretty low), but really, they're all just dorks. And the audience at Apple's Keynotes are always a bunch of dorks too, they look a lot more like John Hodgman than Justin Long.
It's really those commercials, and the fact that the Mac has a long history of being used in design, video and music where being cool is a must, plus the pricing model that automatically excludes everyone who can't afford to be cool... oh, and the user base. It's a lot better now, actually, but back when the user base was smaller and basically made up entirely of devotees, they were horrible and scared armies of potential buyers away from Apple. Some of these clowns are still around, yapping about "malware" and other increasingly anachronistic anti-PC arguments, but... it's getting better.
I'm not sure how Apple could rid themselves of the coolness blessing/curse, though, and if they even want to... I guess they tell themselves that it's all about envy, and that envy is just another form of flattery, but seriously -- envy is just pure hate and nothing positive will ever come of it for the target of the envy.
Jaw-dropping
The business world will be thrilled to hear this tidbit. They don't need virus protection anymore! Neither does the average citizen! So what happened? Did people just stop coding malicious software at the end of 2004? Or are you trying to tell me that Vista is 100% secure?
The business world will be thrilled to hear this tidbit. They don't need virus protection anymore! Neither does the average citizen! So what happened? Did people just stop coding malicious software at the end of 2004? Or are you trying to tell me that Vista is 100% secure?
We can't expect everybody to switch to Macs. Macs are more expensive and they do have less available configurations. You may say that Macs are better, but that alone does not justify the purchase.
You may also say a Porsche is a great car that keeps being a great car and that you won't spend on maintanence over the years. Will most people buy one because of that?
Actually, it does, only because Apple has the controlled the hardware environment with the software and supplies the necessary drivers to support said hardware. OEM machines and systems custom built need additional drivers and as there are multitudes of hardware profiles based on different configurations driver conflicts may exist. I have Vista running on one of my internal SATA bays in my Octo Mac Pro and I have no complaints, I boot into the OS when I need a fully running system (Virtualization will not suffice as I use AutoCAD for some work). PC Magazine ran tests a year ago and determined that a Mac system runs Windows better in bench tests, however this is not stating that a Mac is the only system to run Windows well.
99% of Macs and PCs all get the same parts from similar vendors...they all have Intel (or AMD) chips, same graphics manufacturers, same hard drive manufacturers, etc.
In PC Land where every company (Dell, Gateway, Lenovo, HP, Acer, etc) build very similar products with slightly unique physical traits, it's all the same stuff "under the hood".
So the real argument (which has been debated forever) is Operating System vs. Operating System. Let's not get into it on this thread, however. The numerous folks' posts on this thread about Apple's seeming quality is out the window...unless they are strictly talking about the OS and/or the case design.
I also agree on many posts about warranties...Dell offers a WIDE ARRAY of warranties usually starting at $99 and maxing at $399. And the warranties can be customized for business reasons, specific models, etc. I've used my Dell warranty a few times over my 12+ years of Dell loyalty and everytime the speed has been superb...24 hours. Never, mind you, have I paid for an extended warranty...Dell's come with 1 year automatically. Now before people jump the gun and state that Dell's stink because of my announcement of using their warranty, I only used it because it was free...I could have easily bought a new hard drive for $50 at Newegg and replaced it myself. The only problems I've had with Dell's is that the hard drives (gasp! not manufactured by Dell!) had bad sectors which I would find 9 months down the road. Using the warranty got me a free, new hard drive 24 hours later rather than buying a new one and waiting for the mail...or driving to Best Buy. I can wait the 24 hours for someone to come to my house for free and install it while I sip my Coca Cola.
-Eric
In PC Land where every company (Dell, Gateway, Lenovo, HP, Acer, etc) build very similar products with slightly unique physical traits, it's all the same stuff "under the hood".
So the real argument (which has been debated forever) is Operating System vs. Operating System. Let's not get into it on this thread, however. The numerous folks' posts on this thread about Apple's seeming quality is out the window...unless they are strictly talking about the OS and/or the case design.
I also agree on many posts about warranties...Dell offers a WIDE ARRAY of warranties usually starting at $99 and maxing at $399. And the warranties can be customized for business reasons, specific models, etc. I've used my Dell warranty a few times over my 12+ years of Dell loyalty and everytime the speed has been superb...24 hours. Never, mind you, have I paid for an extended warranty...Dell's come with 1 year automatically. Now before people jump the gun and state that Dell's stink because of my announcement of using their warranty, I only used it because it was free...I could have easily bought a new hard drive for $50 at Newegg and replaced it myself. The only problems I've had with Dell's is that the hard drives (gasp! not manufactured by Dell!) had bad sectors which I would find 9 months down the road. Using the warranty got me a free, new hard drive 24 hours later rather than buying a new one and waiting for the mail...or driving to Best Buy. I can wait the 24 hours for someone to come to my house for free and install it while I sip my Coca Cola.
-Eric
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