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Oh dear Lauren... Better find someone at your college who knows how to reinstall Windows, because in 3-6 months, and for every 3-6 months for the rest of that computer's life, that's what it's going to need. Congratulations Lauren, you got a PC.

That's not true and you know it, which means you are deliberately spreading misinformation. Why ?

As sarcasm and hyperbole, it also fails.

Judging by the twisted panty reactions in this thread, one might conclude there must be some merit to the relative cost point made in the commercial.

I sell Macs and PCs. My goal is to fill the customer's needs. Sometimes it's with Macs, sometimes PCs.
 
dinosaur company.

A dinosaur that controls 91% of the market, so clearly the more modern species are doing something wrong.

Personally, when I think "dinosaur" I think Mac devotee who is stuck in the mid-90's and keeps rambling on about viruses, spyware and beige boxes. Snap out of the past, folks. You'd have to be a drooling monkey to let a virus slip onto a Windows 7 PC. Go with either platform, they're both fine and both have their pros and cons, neither is spectacular, neither is crap.
 
Lies!!!

The commercial forgets to mention the time and energy wasted trying to setup a wireless network. Vista also REQUIRES expensive Internet Protection that needs to be repurchased on a routine basis. So lets start adding to the price now shall we. Then people wont have a decent photo editor, they wont have a decent office program, they wont a have decent movie editor, they wont have anything as easy or comparable to iWeb and let us not forget, they are running the cheapest version of what is already deemed a failure of an operating system VISTA, which they will need to change very soon. My guess is my iMac will never go to a store for repair, her HP for 699.99 most certainly will. She will buy a new one next year, I won't for 3-4.
 
A dinosaur that controls 91% of the market, so clearly the more modern species are doing something wrong.
There are many factors involved behind Windows market share. It does not imply either company is in the wrong direction, it means Apple was in the wrong direction, back when users and companies were getting their first computers.
 
The commercial forgets to mention the time and energy wasted trying to setup a wireless network. Vista also REQUIRES expensive Internet Protection that needs to be repurchased on a routine basis. So lets start adding to the price now shall we.

What the hell are you talking about? I've never had to purchase anything extra for vista other than the machine im running on.
 
Meh ... Keep your 17" laptop

Who wants to be carrying big, bulky, 17" Windows laptops around?? Need mobile gaming that badly? :eek:

Even my MacBook Pro is just too big for me to be carrying around these days. Instead, it became my main computer system, tethered to a DELL 24" display. I love it. Everything else I need to do mobile can pretty much be handled by my new iPhone 3G. :D

I just wish the MBP dissipated heat better during encode sessions. Need to use my small Duracraft fan on it when temps exceed 175 F. :cool:
 
See you soon Lauren....

When you come back to buy Norton Anti-Virus software. Or when your computer starts running slow and you have to pay a Geek Squad tech. Yeah, $700? I don't think so.
 
Smart ad by Microsoft. I could have gotten a Mac but instead I got a Dell Inspiron 1420 and pocketed the extra 600$ and am extremely happy with my purchase.
 
So she drives about in a $30,000 VW Bettle convertible and decides on a tiny $1,000 budget for a laptop...

She has her priorities all wrong.

something is STILL wrong with driving a POS clunker that you use to get to work and hopefully sell for another down payment on another car in the future. a car is a real investment - a mac isn't, end of conversation. you have your priorities wrong, sir.

funny how a majority of the posts seem to be fanboys justifying their 2K-3K "investment" on a laptop. hey, buddy, if you wanna blow that much money on a laptop and you have the dough..more power to you. don't be a blowhard to folks who DO want to save a bit of money are are STILL able to produce the same quality work, if not better, if they were to invest in a more laptop computer.
 
Laptop selection

My dad went shopping for a computer a year ago, he had around $1000- $1300 budget I think.. He had two must haves: Laptop size so it could fit in his work area (he didn't want a desktop, he uses his computer then puts it away in a drawer so he can do paperwork on his cubby hole desk) and he needed a 17 to 19" screen (old eyes).

He liked my 13" Macbook, but had some trouble with the screen size. It was simply too small for him. The only apple model that would have worked was the Macbook pro, but it was way outside his budget. He would have paid a little more for the Apple name and product, but not double his budget. He simply didn't need any of the macbook pro's features except the screen size, the rest of the upgrades on the mac pro was just a waste of money for his needs.

At the end, he wishes he bought an Apple computer, but instead purchased an Acer laptop, simply because apple didn't make the machine he wanted. Don't worry, he has a son (Me) to fix that crap vista os when it breaks...... :(

This TV spot simply points out the simple fact that Apple has some gaps in it's lineup of computers. I suspect they will have an ad in the future with someone shopping for a desktop he can put a blueray drive in (with a $1500 budget.) Same problem, the guy will talk about the only thing that he can upgrade would be the Macpro, and they don't even offer a "HD drive."

Maybe another ad could have someone looking at Netbooks. Might as well point out more gaps in the apple line if this first ad gets some traction.

Hopefully at some point Apple will fill some of these gaps in their lineup.
 
I think the new PC ads are dead on...they are covering a topic that Apple has long ignored--Price. As numerous people have stated here, comparing (for example) a 17" Macbook to a 17" PC (note I did not say a pacticular brand like HP or Dell or Gateway) are going to be VERY similar EXCEPT for price. CPUs will be similar, RAM, hard drive, dvd, USB ports, etc. And, for roughly 1/2 the price you can buy a laptop PC. Roughly.

And design. And user experience.

What price for these? Someone else has already pointed out Ballmer put it at $500 in value per unit, except he called it 'label'.
 
the posts have become comical

1. MSFT hit a homerun with this ad. I enjoy watching so many get so upset about a commercial. Overanalyzing, dissecting and getting offended - must have struck a nerve

2. I run XP Pro SP3 along with leopard and have never had the windows issues that you all claim that plagues all PCs

3. Calling all Macs well built is the overstatement of the year. My g/f's macbook is a POS. I would never buy a desktop w/ laptop parts either so...

4. Aside from certain models like the MPro, PC's are almost always comparably cheaper

5. I used to own an M3 and driven a 360 Spider. Macs are not comparable to them, so please stop using the ridiculous car analogies.

6. People buy what they can afford. Average consumer doesn't see the sense of paying extra for the luxury of using OS X (especially in this climate)

7. Many use windows at work, it's convenient for them to have seemless compatability and familiarity in their home environment

8. Mac does not offer many choices. It's worked thus far, but will they have to adjust in this new economic climate?

9. A lot of people cant afford or dont care for the value add that Macs supposedly furnish. It doesnt make them any worse consumers.

10. People who do enjoy and pay more for the macs aren't bad consumers either

11. TCO argument is silly. Since when do Americans concern themselves with TCO? this is evidenced by the exponentially improved sales #'s of the subsidized iphone 3G and luxury vehicles
 
A dinosaur that controls 91% of the market, so clearly the more modern species are doing something wrong.

Personally, when I think "dinosaur" I think Mac devotee who is stuck in the mid-90's and keeps rambling on about viruses, spyware and beige boxes. Snap out of the past, folks. You'd have to be a drooling monkey to let a virus slip onto a Windows 7 PC. Go with either platform, they're both fine and both have their pros and cons, neither is spectacular, neither is crap.

It is a bit of a dinosaur though isn't it? Imagine if Apple had never started with OS X, and we were all still using OS 9, but with a fancy skin.

Windows is the same old yawnsome OS, and it still will be when Windows 8 and Windows 9 appear.
 
This TV spot simply points out the simple fact that Apple has some gaps in it's lineup of computers. I suspect they will have an ad in the future with someone shopping for a desktop he can put a blueray drive in (with a $1500 budget.) Same problem, the guy will talk about the only thing that he can upgrade would be the Macpro, and they don't even offer a "HD drive."

Maybe another ad could have someone looking at Netbooks. Might as well point out more gaps in the apple line if this first ad gets some traction.

Hopefully at some point Apple will fill some of these gaps in their lineup.

There will NEVER be ads about upradeable computers, simply because your average computer user thinks its some sort of magic going on in there.

Seriously I've asked people why they had geek squad swap out hard drives when they could to it themselves. The response most of the time falls along the lines of "I dont know how to do that fancy technology stuff".
 
And design. And user experience.

What price for these? Someone else has already pointed out Ballmer put it at $500 in value per unit, except he called it 'label'.

design and user experience is debatable. I am very happy with my Dell Inspiron 1420.
 
This ad has certainly caused a stir in the Mac community which I'm sure is what Microsoft wanted to do however I find it funny that Microsoft, a company with 90% marketshare for their OS is attacking the little guy with a marketshare under 10%. It's so obvious Microsoft is threatened. Why feel threatened when you have that much marketshare?

Also I noticed that Microsoft advertised heavily on HP while conveniently avoiding the Sony Vaio's in their ads which actually cost more than a Mac and is still an average Joe common Windows PC. Is this ad about low cost computers or about selling Windows??

Apple never picked on the little companies that tried to kill their business. When Napster adverstised $15/month for unlimited songs on your MP3 player while telling the world that it will cost you $10,000 to fill up your iPod (which was BS) Apple never responded back.
If your product is successful there's no reason to pick on the little guy unless you feel threatened. Good work MS on your ad of insecurity.
The only thing is some people will buy into it.
 
It is a bit of a dinosaur though isn't it? Imagine if Apple had never started with OS X, and we were all still using OS 9, but with a fancy skin.

Windows is the same old yawnsome OS, and it still will be when Windows 8 and Windows 9 appear.

Hardly true. Windows has come a long way technologically since then. There's a lot more going on under the hood than you think.
 
This ad has certainly caused a stir in the Mac community which I'm sure is what Microsoft wanted to do however I find it funny that Microsoft, a company with 90% marketshare for their OS is attacking the little guy with a marketshare under 10%. It's so obvious Microsoft is threatened. Why feel threatened when you have that much marketshare?

it is business, common business strategy. if i have 90% of the market share and i have room for growth and improvement, i'd be a retard to not want that elusive 10% and crush the competition and have a majority of the market share. it isn't monopoly because someone can always come up with another OS in the market and TRY to reclaim it but if i do better, i will reap a majority of the profits which is what business is all about. sheeesh.

sony laptops are just common lappies that do the SAME work with a more expensive pricetag...oh snap....that is basically what a mac is.
 
Vista also REQUIRES expensive Internet Protection that needs to be repurchased on a routine basis.

Not true.

For my PC customers who don't purchase a security program from me, I tell them to get AVG, Spybot and Adaware. All free. They're grateful that I show them how to do it for free and ask for me by name when they come back to the store. I doubt they would have done the same for you if they had found out you had misled them about needing expensive security programs. :rolleyes:
 
The commercial forgets to mention the time and energy wasted trying to setup a wireless network. Vista also REQUIRES expensive Internet Protection that needs to be repurchased on a routine basis. So lets start adding to the price now shall we. Then people wont have a decent photo editor, they wont have a decent office program, they wont a have decent movie editor, they wont have anything as easy or comparable to iWeb and let us not forget, they are running the cheapest version of what is already deemed a failure of an operating system VISTA, which they will need to change very soon. My guess is my iMac will never go to a store for repair, her HP for 699.99 most certainly will. She will buy a new one next year, I won't for 3-4.

huh? freeware, padawan, freeware....along with good conscious computing know-how, a prerequisite to keeping your machine in tip top shape. don't be a n00b and think there aren't any good, free alternatives out on the internets.
 
1. MSFT hit a homerun with this ad. I enjoy watching so many get so upset about a commercial. Overanalyzing, dissecting and getting offended - must have struck a nerve

It did! Because it's so crap!

2. I run XP Pro SP3 along with leopard and have never had the windows issues that you all claim that plagues all PCs

Lucky you. My XP installation lasted 15 months before it was trashed.

3. Calling all Macs well built is the overstatement of the year. My g/f's macbook is a POS. I would never buy a desktop w/ laptop parts either so...

'POS'? Don't confuse us with the facts by telling us exactly how. Every Mac I've ever had and use have been well built. I'm sorry, but it's true.


4. Aside from certain models like the MPro, PC's are almost always comparably cheaper

Yes, so? I don't mind paying a bit more for something I want. I'm not buying a fridge freezer - I'm buying something fun.

5. I used to own an M3 and driven a 360 Spider. Macs are not comparable to them, so please stop using the ridiculous car analogies.

No idea what point you're attempting to make, but the car analogy is actually spot on.

6. People buy what they can afford. Average consumer doesn't see the sense of paying extra for the luxury of using OS X (especially in this climate)

The 'average' consumer doesn't buy Macs. If they want a 'computer', they'll buy something cheap and cheerful. Which is fine. But they're not necessarily Apple's target market.

7. Many use windows at work, it's convenient for them to have seemless compatability and familiarity in their home environment

Very nice for them. Some people like to try different things, some people stick to what they know.

8. Mac does not offer many choices. It's worked thus far, but will they have to adjust in this new economic climate?

What's the point of changing? The recession will be over in 3 years and they'll tick along nicely in the meantime.

9. A lot of people cant afford or dont care for the value add that Macs supposedly furnish. It doesnt make them any worse consumers.

Fair enough if said customer just wants a cheap and cheerful computer. They'll always be a low end market. Apple just chooses not to play in it much.

10. People who do enjoy and pay more for the macs aren't bad consumers either

True. Although I really wish they'd drop the prices down to where they were.
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huh? freeware, padawan, freeware....along with good conscious computing know-how, a prerequisite to keeping your machine in tip top shape. don't be a n00b and think there aren't any good, free alternatives out on the internets.
Common Sense 2009 Professional Edition is not always installed. :D
 
Actually, it does, only because Apple has the controlled the hardware environment with the software and supplies the necessary drivers to support said hardware. OEM machines and systems custom built need additional drivers and as there are multitudes of hardware profiles based on different configurations driver conflicts may exist. I have Vista running on one of my internal SATA bays in my Octo Mac Pro and I have no complaints, I boot into the OS when I need a fully running system (Virtualization will not suffice as I use AutoCAD for some work). PC Magazine ran tests a year ago and determined that a Mac system runs Windows better in bench tests, however this is not stating that a Mac is the only system to run Windows well.

There's no difference between apple producing their drivers for windows and dell, they're normally just slightly tweaked from the ic manufacturer, and supplied to you in a simple list on their website/cd. A chipset's generic drivers will work fine 99% of the time too. Apple might tie in their hardware, but it's certainly not faultless. Windows runs on infinite amounts of architects(yes) and systems with different hardware profiles like you said, but that doesn't mean it's more likely to be flakey despite the assumed logic, the example is even more extreme when you're talk about linux. Hardware detection and pnp is something windows does incredibly well.
PC magazine might as well be openly sponsored by apple from half the stuff I've glanced at - and I'd go as far as arrogantly proclaiming that most tech magazines and publications are generally biased rubbish, benchmarks tend to be the pinnacle too :)
I would expect general benchmarks on two properly installed machines with equal hardware to be the same assuming that there's not some hideous defect.
As an irritating jibe, I could benchmark the more subtle differences like firewire or network throughput between a cheap dell and a mbp I've access to, but there's little point - I know how intel and ti chipsets tend to perform at these tasks on the dell, and I know how apples cheap realtek devices compare.

I use autocad too, on a decent system with a workstation card. If the experience was anything but 'faultless' I would have returned or fixed it, obviously :)

My issue with windows oem machines is the standard of their out of the box installs. It's nice that the price is subsidized slightly by their install of roxio or whatever (I sure hope It's not the opposite), but it's easy (and seems incredibly common) for them to bodge it and ship a less than perfect machine. Doesn't bother the average enthusiast or a business that are doing their own install, but for an average consumer it seems likely to frustrate them towards alternatives.
 
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