New Microsoft Ad Campaign Targets Mac Prices

[mosx]

No. About the only free software you can get that's up to iLife standards is Picasa. The others? Sorry, nothing else compares. You're going to be spending hundreds to get those features in software that good.

No, you don't. As I said, digital video cameras come with full versions of video editing software that are equally as powerful as iMovie. I'd say more so, since iMovie is geared towards sharing on MobileMe while the others are geared towards DVD/blu-ray creation. That also takes care of iMovie. As for Garageband, as pointed out here many times, M-Audio sells better software plus a higher quality audio interface in a nice little bundle for under $100.

You just shot your credibility. Command-X, Command-P.

Actually, you shot your own credibility. I said cut and paste in the OS. Open Finder, click on a file or folder. Right click brings up only copy. Now do Command-X. Nothing happens. Click Edit and you'll see Cut is greyed out. So I basically can't do something in OS X that I've been able to do in Windows since.. the beginning? haha.

Really? Because I have an original copy of Vista too. I recently re-installed. I had to update Windows Update before Windows Update would even work. Then I updated, again, and again, and again, each update I did meant there were now several more updates available. I counted this time. Wanna know the total? Ten. Ten updates and restarts. That's absurd. The total file size was somewhere north of 2GB when all was said and done. It's kind of hard to keep track of all that after ten restarts.

Ah, now I know you're lying and you've further hurt your credibility. I reinstalled Vista recently after trying the public beta of Windows 7. For me, after install, it was about 4 restarts. The same as OS X. SP1 was only 50MB, the rest equaled about ~150MB average per update.

Really? Because I just plugged in my printer. It worked. Oh, and the scanner, too (MFP).

I have an HP Officejet 5510v, 4 years old. Works in Vista completely with no drivers. Same goes for my HP Photosmart 475. Yet in Leopard, even with the driver updates, scanning will not work with the Officejet, and Leopard seems unable to recognize the Photosmart as a photo printer and refuses to let me choose photo paper or photo paper sizes to print on.

I recently helped a young lady near me set up her laptop (Acer, I think). The total number of trial software icons was something like 8. But it was a low-end system. See below for more comments on this.

Nevermind the fact that most of those icons on the desktop are links to websites.

 

[opeter]

Actually, you shot your own credibility. I said cut and paste in the OS. Open Finder, click on a file or folder. Right click brings up only copy. Now do Command-X. Nothing happens. Click Edit and you'll see Cut is greyed out. So I basically can't do something in OS X that I've been able to do in Windows since.. the beginning? haha.

Yes, mosx is right. MacOS doesn't have this function.

But there are two more things, were MacOS very week (or a better word: very primitive) is: the "merge" function and Open/Save dialogs without the copy/paste/rename ect. functions, that in Windows you have for ages...

If you want to merge two folders, so that the original files in one folder stays intact (so, they don't get overwritten), you need to use ForkLift, PathFinder or some other utilities, like Araxis Merge for OSX. You have to PAY for this simple function, that this superior OS, that is called MacOS X, doesn't have.

For the Open/Save dialog, you have to buy utilities, like Default Folder X, so that you've got almost the same functions inside Open/Save dialogs in MacOS X, as there are in every version of Windows since Windows 95 OSR2.5 with installed Internet Explorer 4 and Active Desktop.

You have to PAY for this function, that this superior OS, that is called MacOS X, doesn't have.

 

[butterfly0fdoom]

As for Garageband, as pointed out here many times, M-Audio sells better software plus a higher quality audio interface in a nice little bundle for under $100.

I personally actually prefer Garageband over M-Audio's Session software. I mean, to each its own, I guess. But I consider Garageband more capable and useful for me.

I have an HP Officejet 5510v, 4 years old. Works in Vista completely with no drivers. Same goes for my HP Photosmart 475. Yet in Leopard, even with the driver updates, scanning will not work with the Officejet, and Leopard seems unable to recognize the Photosmart as a photo printer and refuses to let me choose photo paper or photo paper sizes to print on.

That's actually a rather hit or miss thing; my apartmentmate has an HP LaserJet (I don't remember which model). My roommate and I both use Macs, and my apartmentmate only had the PC drivers; we scoured the internet for a week only to find out through randomly trying to connect to the printer that OS X came with the drivers. It really depends.

 

[Xtremekillr]

Gosh.. 17" inch screen HP yuck! So heavy why would anyone want that? Might as well get a desktop lol. Never had a good experience with HP owning 2 desktops and 1 laptop from them. All died on me around 2 years and countless amount of problems during the time. Wish I switched to Mac earlier =).

 

[LaMerVipere]

I hate when some people always almost immediately downshift into car comparisons when the PC vs. Mac battle heats up.

It's just stupid, and really, not a valid analogy.

 

[Habakuk]

I don't understand why everyone throws around the car analogies. Fords do not have the same engines as a Enzo or Lamborghini. Macs do have the same components as PCs.

Wouldn't you call the $200+ operating system a "component of a PC"? I would even call it "engine" rather than the main processor unit.

 

[Freyqq]

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Haha this sort of thing just shows how much of a threat Apple has become to M$. They always amuse me with they ads they come up with.

not really a threat considering how they only sell high-end. MS makes the same amount of $ if they sell to a $5000 system as to a $500 system, as they just supply the OS. Apple is becoming "more" of a threat to the likes of Dell and HP.

Still, I think the MS advertising campaign makes perfect sense in this economic climate. People are tight on cash and with Win 7 coming soon, I think Apple needs to start worrying and thinking up some way to get the unibody macbook down below $1000. That might sound outlandish to some, but considering it doesn't have anything fundamentally more expensive in it hardware-wise compared to these $700 dells except for a shiny aluminum case..I think they could easily do this.

 

[Koola]

As a network engineer I use all OS systems, all have pros/cons but it's just stupid to say one is better than the other period.

I like the MS advert though, it's about time they pointed out one of their many advantages...

 

[DMann]

Well, I am just cool enough to be a Mac person.

Is that what MS considers good marketing? Strongly linking Windows to the bargain basement PC market? LOL! My god, Microsoft marketing strikes out again. Who writes this stuff anyway? If it was intentional satire, it would be brilliant.

This is right up there with the Seinfeld/Gates follies, which bombed so famously. They all seem to have a unified intention - to inspire ridicule.

 

[djellison]

Macs do have the same components as PCs.

Quite. Infact the quality of the LCD on my new £1200 Macbook is significantly worse than on my £300 netbook.

The car analogy is utterly false. Indeed - the only way to deploy it is to have two very similar cars - but one with a mucky windshield, seats that are not adjustable, and a price tag twice as high. THAT'S the Mac. And I own one.

 

[inkswamp]

I don't understand why everyone throws around the car analogies. Fords do not have the same engines as a Enzo or Lamborghini. Macs do have the same components as PCs.

I won't defend the car analogies either as I think that's overused and frequently off-base, but you have to admit that Macs do have a much higher quality manufacturing process to them and that does match the car analogy very well. They may be made of many of the same components (we assume--never rule out that Apple may be buying better quality controlled batches of those components than their competitors in the PC market) but surely, you can see that those components are being put together in a much better way.

And also, I have to ask, as I always do when I hear this: if Macs and PCs are the same components, why do PCs statistically have a significantly higher rate of hardware failure than Macs? That doesn't make sense if they're just the same.

 

[Habakuk]

Macs do have the same components as PCs.

My old & incomplete list (just for my June/2007 MBP) of technical components (let alone with OS):

Slot-in drive?
"Invisible" (when off) iSight camera indicator?
Built-in 2 MP video camera?
Alu body (uni or not)? (Very important for long-life and sturdyness.)
Real glass in front of screen? (-"-)
Mag Safe?
Smallest charger/power supply in the world (by far)?
Best touchpad in the world (by far)?
Fuel indicators direct on the battery?
LED backlit? (My MBP was the first 15" in the world.)
Wake up (fully operational readiness) from suspend within 0.5 seconds?
No clamps, hooks or catches at the display's bezel at all ?
Illuminated keyboard?
FW800?
Tons of fancy sensors for backlights?
Perfect & timeless design?

I could go on like this for hours...

 

[Sijmen]

My old & incomplete list (just for my June/2007 MBP) of technical components (let alone with OS):

[...]

It's also the other way around.

Many new (even ~€ 1000) laptops come with:

• Blu-ray
• Card reader
• Full-size DVI port
• More than 2 USB ports

That's not a long list but I find the first two items important and it shows that it's not just one-sided.

 

[djellison]

much higher quality manufacturing process

I would say no. There are quality issues. They have used some very questionable components in the past, and still today. MB plastic falling off. MBPs warping. Battery lids not fitting etc etc etc etc

Doug

 

[Balin64]

Opinion schmoponion, this is my experience.

I work with graphic design and audio, sometimes making graphics for applications, sometimes making lengthy Flash ads with music soundtrack. Freelancing, always on standby for projects, tight deadlines and all that.

For this I use two PCs, one with Vista only, the other with three partitions (Vista, XP, Win7 beta). If there was even the slightest hint of glitches that got in the way of my work, I would use something else. I had trouble with two drivers in the beginning - Intel's wireless driver and NVidias gfx card driver, but these were not harmful to my work and they were fixed within a month after I installed Vista on these two machines that shipped with XP Professional. That's the end of my Vista "problems", just over two years ago. These machines run, run, and run again, the laptop probably taking the worst hit as it's virtually an "always on" machine. After just under 3 years, the motherboard on my desktop machine died. Dell replaced it the next day, and that was the end of it. So all in all I've had less than 24 hrs downtime in 3 years.

Now, enter the Mac (late 2007). One of my clients reeeeally wanted me to work on a Mac, on location, so I said OK, look, we'll make a deal: You buy me an iMac 24" with Adobe CS3, I'll buy it when the project is over for the residual value.

OK, so the Mac arrives (came with Leopard) after taking FOREVER to be delivered, nine weeks or whatever it was, and I start working. Day one: Very flakey wireless, had to use wired network; very flakey Mail app, server timeouts half the time for no apparent reason (Leopard issue, the other guys at the office were on Tiger and had no issues with mail); weird video glitches, when returning from sleep mode the screen was flickering like a stroboscope so I had to reboot (later fixed with a firmware update. MUCH later.). Lots of random crashes in Safari. Day two, working on some PSD files on the server. And what does the Mac go ahead and do? It destroys my client's files! Look it up on the web, and sure enough, several reports of CS3 corrupting documents under Leopard when you save to a server. Fortunately they had a backup. Few weeks later: Tried to install a driver for a firewire audio device called Yamaha 01X. Decided I didn't like it. Uninstalled. Not. The iMac started doing the infamous perpetual blue screen thing that so many people were experiencing with Leopard. Took me a day to track down some puny MIDI driver file that was buried deep in the Library somewhere, it made Leopard hang on startup. Starting to feel like Windows 98 here. After these minor and one major, MAJOR glitch it worked pretty well.

After the project I brought the machine home and more or less gave it to my girlfriend. It ran for a few months, then died completely (black screen, no 'bing' startup sound, only a faint whirr from the DVD drive). Call Apple support. Turns out my AppleCare plan wasn't registered, huge ordeal to register when a year has passed, faxing receipts and all sorts of crap. Anyway, talked to the snarkiest person ever to disgrace a support line, went through a ridiculous troubleshooting routine despite my assurances that I know a dead computer when I see one, and if I insert the OS X DVD it will only get stuck inside the machine. She insisted. The DVD got stuck. I asked about on-site repairs like I'm used to with my PCs. Apparently a ridiculous request, for two reasons -- A) an iMac isn't a desktop computer when it needs service, only in advertising, and B) I lived "too far" from the nearest service center (60 miles/100 km).

It's still sitting in a corner, I have to register the damn AppleCare plan and then transport the machine somehow to Stockholm, drop it off, and then travel back to pick it up an unknown number of days later.

Every single aspect of my Mac experience has been awful -- the purchase, the stability, the hardware quality, the support and service. Meanwhile the Vista machines are chugging along happily.

So forgive me if I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when people say stuff like "go Mac, it just works, you don't want a PC with the blah blah viruses and yada yada malware and bleh bluhh driver hell". Yeah mmmmkay, on what planet is that happening?

Anuba: There is a Christmas, and a Heaven: it is littered with wonderful PC Goodness, and you will never have to deal with devilish Mac elements again.

Voice of God: "If you are truly a designer, and agreed to use an iMac for Design work... I would have fired you: immediately. Not for your lack of foresight, or waiting weeks for the project to be completed, but because you were simply incompetent: who waits weeks for a design?"

Which leads me to believe you are full of it: seriously. No one hired you for design work, did they?

There are some of us who depend on the Mac platform for our livelihood: that is all that needs to be said: it works. We are not discussing hardware features, or build progressions... we simply WORK.

If your work is better suited with PC's running Windows, and Macs have left a bad taste in your mouth... what do you want, a cookie?

To the rest of the MacRumors REGULARS: ignore this guy... seriously...

balin64

 

[DMann]

My old list (just for my June/2007 MBP, incomplete) of technical components (let alone with OS):

Slot-in drive?
"Invisible" (when off) iSight camera indicator?
Built-in 2 MP video camera?
Alu body (uni or not)? (Very important for long-life and sturdyness.)
Real glass in front of screen? (-"-)
Mag Safe?
Smallest charger/power supply in the world (by far)?
Best touchpad in the world (by far)?
Fuel indicators direct on the battery?
LED backlit? (My MBP was the first 15" in the world.)
Wake up (fully operational readiness) from suspend within 0.5 seconds?
No clamps, hooks or catches at the display's bezel at all ?
Illuminated keyboard?
FW800?
Tons of fancy sensors for backlights?
Perfect & timeless design?

I could go on like this for hours...

Of course, others will rant that all these innovative features are frivolous and unnecessary for most users. I suppose there remain some who would choose not to embrace the invention of the wheel when traveling on dry pavement.

 

[Pika]

This is a kind of unfair image...particularly around the GeekSquad (which I will abbreviate GS).

GS provides these services:

1)general pc repair...any repair...and I believe Macs too

2)pc upgrading...more ram, bigger/extra hard drive, newer dvd drive

3)antivirus/spyware

4)home visits for most of above as well as home networking

It's a scam. Don't let the freak squad touch your computer.

I was just in the store looking at the Mac section, and I HAD to tell a young couple that they were being lied to when a Best Buy drone told them that they could put a 9800 GTX in a 24" iMac. Beyond the obvious reasons that the drone was an idiot, the card is thicker than the computer itself.

Normally when you buy a PC it comes with many trial software... all these "geeks" do is uninstall those software (something you can do at home)... and they install anti-virus software (**as their PACKAGE deal**)

cant believe some people are being taken advantage of like this...

sad really...

btw on a side note... what encouraged them to stop doing full refunds on items in store (they do it in canada, why not the states)

I know whenever I'm browsing the computer section of just about any store and am approached by a sales associate who asks, "May I help you?" my answer is always, "No. No you really cannot."

I know that that's an unfair generalization, but I wonder these days what the requirements are to be hired by the likes of Geek Squad. Are there any requirements at all?

Letting the Geek Squad touch a new iMac to "optimize" it is about as sensible as allowing a fox to "clean" the chicken coop.

said above though I really think its overpriced. Maybe at half the price its worth it, but then again these services are priced based on what people are willing to pay, and some people are willing to pay in order to have these things done for them.

The sad part about it is that they charge the same price for the pc optimization and that includes a lot more work (removal of trial software, registry and msconfig tweaks which does speed things up).

The Geek Squad is a scam, and there will always be suckers out there. The truth of the matter is that computers are not as simple as people try to make them out to be, opening the door to plenty of people like the Geek Squad. Especially easy targets are recent switchers from Windows who assume the Mac works just like a PC.

I once saw someone at the big box store I worked at sell an in-home installation on a 17" iMac.

The optimization is BS. I wouldn't want some stranger opening up my brand new computer. To add to that, a Mac is so idiot-proofed out of the box and Apple has made every effort to make setting up a new Mac fun.

I went to Best Buy the other day and this lady bought a bluetooth headset and didn't now how to pair it and best buy charges $9.99 to pair it.

 

[Jodlesx]

My old & incomplete list (just for my June/2007 MBP) of technical components (let alone with OS):

...

I could go on like this for hours...

Slot-in drive? Not sure
"Invisible" (when off) iSight camera indicator? Not sure
Built-in 2 MP video camera? Yes?
Alu body (uni or not)? (Very important for long-life and sturdyness.) You can get magnesium
Real glass in front of screen? (-"-) Not sure
Mag Safe? Yes
Smallest charger/power supply in the world (by far)? Not sure
Best touchpad in the world (by far)? Subjective
Fuel indicators direct on the battery? Yes
LED backlit? (My MBP was the first 15" in the world.) Not sure(?)
Wake up (fully operational readiness) from suspend within 0.5 seconds? Yes
No clamps, hooks or catches at the display's bezel at all ? Not sure
Illuminated keyboard? Yes
FW800? Yes! (new Macbook? no...)
Tons of fancy sensors for backlights? Yes
Perfect & timeless design? again subjective, but I would agree..

+ (from Sijmen's post)
Blu-ray
Card reader
Full-size DVI port
More than 2 USB ports
+
Expresscard slot
Easily exchangable batteries? Extra battery in place of cd-drive?

 

[Wikinerd]

Wouldn't you call the $200+ operating system a "component of a PC"? I would even call it "engine" rather than the main processor unit.

Actually, depending on how you argue it, the Mac OS X OS itself is $129, compared to Vista Ultimate, $319 (Ultimate because that's the "full thing" while Mac OS X doesn't have stripped down versions.).


PS. anyone who argues that "Apple tax" should be factored into the cost of using the operating system is somewhat untrue. It's a "requirement" to use an Apple-labeled computer for this software, much like how you need at least 512MB RAM to (theoretically) run Vista. (And it IS related to hardware. Mac OS X boots off EFIs not BIOSs)

 

[mosx]

My old & incomplete list (just for my June/2007 MBP) of technical components (let alone with OS):

Slot-in drive?
"Invisible" (when off) iSight camera indicator?
Built-in 2 MP video camera?
Alu body (uni or not)? (Very important for long-life and sturdyness.)
Real glass in front of screen? (-"-)
Mag Safe?
Smallest charger/power supply in the world (by far)?
Best touchpad in the world (by far)?
Fuel indicators direct on the battery?
LED backlit? (My MBP was the first 15" in the world.)
Wake up (fully operational readiness) from suspend within 0.5 seconds?
No clamps, hooks or catches at the display's bezel at all ?
Illuminated keyboard?
FW800?
Tons of fancy sensors for backlights?
Perfect & timeless design?

I could go on like this for hours...

As another poster pointed out, it can easily go the other way.

Modern PC notebooks come with:
Blu-ray
HDMI
Full size ExpressCard
eSATA
GPUs much more powerful than the mid-range GeForce 9600M GT
Card Readers
Built-in HDTV tuners
screen resolutions higher than 1440x900
Multiple GPUs
Support for hybrid SLI for integrated chipsets plus dedicated GPUs

A few things are wrong with your post as well.

Slot loading optical drives are bad for the consumer. It means more parts that can fail. Good luck getting the disc out without ruining it if the ejector motors ever fail. It also means that you have to look for very specific drives if it dies out of warranty. I can't just go to newegg and be up and running again with any $50 notebook drive.

Built-in webcams are a commodity these days.

Your particular MacBook Pro isn't a UniBody unit, which makes it prone to denting, warping from heat and even regular use regardless of heat, scratching, and case separation. The UniBody units are subject to denting on enormous scales thanks to incredibly weak metal used on the top and bottom.

PC manufacturers offer glass as an option on PC notebooks, yours doesn't have glass. HP offered glass screens before Apple did.

MagSafe is a fire hazard.

And the adapter is not that small. The only real difference between the 90w MBP adapter and my 90w HP adapter is that the MBP adapter is squished, short and fat. The HP adapter is long and skinny. Overall similar mass.

LED backlights have been an option for awhile now.

"Best" touchpad is debatable. I have a UniBody MacBook and I prefer my MX Revolution mouse to the touchpad and my MX5500 keyboard to the built-in keyboard.

Vista wakes instantly, as does XP. They also offer something OS X does not. "Hibernate". You can save your session to the HDD and fully power down. Upon restart, it takes only seconds to resume and saves energy.

Illuminated keyboards are options for PCs, but mostly a gimmick for those of us who know how to type.

Latches are a thing of the past.

Why do I want Firewire 800 when eSATA is a standard feature on a PC?

Why do I need ambient light sensors? I turned it off on my MacBook because it was annoying. On my iPhone I turned it off the very same day I activated the iPhone. I hate the ambient light sensor and it ruins battery life.

"Perfect" design is also debatable. The previous generation MacBook Pro was hideous. It and the G4 PowerBooks looked like some 80s reject design for computers. The current 15.4" MacBook Pro is also hideous, with the super small keyboard and the extremely and overly large bezel around the screen. The 17" MacBook Pro looks better with the thinner MacBook like bezel, however, the small sunken in keyboard is also hideous. Apple needs to think proportions and put in a full keyboard, complete with number pad. If PC manufacturers can fit full keyboards that are full sized on smaller systems, Apple can do it too.

Actually, depending on how you argue it, the Mac OS X OS itself is $129, compared to Vista Ultimate, $319 (Ultimate because that's the "full thing" while Mac OS X doesn't have stripped down versions.).


PS. anyone who argues that "Apple tax" should be factored into the cost of using the operating system is somewhat untrue. It's a "requirement" to use an Apple-labeled computer for this software, much like how you need at least 512MB RAM to (theoretically) run Vista. (And it IS related to hardware. Mac OS X boots off EFIs not BIOSs)

Wrong. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116493 Vista Ultimate 64-bit, $179.

And you only need Vista Home Premium to equal Leopard. It even includes technologies that Leopard currently does not. For example, the technology to use the GPU in the way OpenCL will has already existed in Windows thanks to nvidia and ATI for over a year now And Windows has been taking full advantage of the GPU for video playback for almost a decade now. Not half-assed HWMC and iDCT support like OS X.

 

[Wikinerd]

No, you don't. As I said, digital video cameras come with full versions of video editing software that are equally as powerful as iMovie. I'd say more so, since iMovie is geared towards sharing on MobileMe while the others are geared towards DVD/blu-ray creation. That also takes care of iMovie. As for Garageband, as pointed out here many times, M-Audio sells better software plus a higher quality audio interface in a nice little bundle for under $100.

Who said that software aren't paid for? You paid for it in the purchases of your digital cameras. But then you rarely do get such a user friendly and powerful tool such as iMovie...

—AND it's all for $79 if you want to upgrade... or $169 for iLife + iWork + OS X... Nice deal if you ask me...

(And in terms of Pro tools, software such as Final Cut and Logic Pro is quite renowned out there...)

Actually, you shot your own credibility. I said cut and paste in the OS. Open Finder, click on a file or folder. Right click brings up only copy. Now do Command-X. Nothing happens. Click Edit and you'll see Cut is greyed out. So I basically can't do something in OS X that I've been able to do in Windows since.. the beginning? haha.

Completely different paradigm. It's a different OS, for god's sake; It's called MOVE TO TRASH. Cmd+delete if you want the shortcut.

 

[opeter]

I won't defend the car analogies either as I think that's overused and frequently off-base, but you have to admit that Macs do have a much higher quality manufacturing process to them and that does match the car analogy very well. They may be made of many of the same components (we assume--never rule out that Apple may be buying better quality controlled batches of those components than their competitors in the PC market) but surely, you can see that those components are being put together in a much better way.

And also, I have to ask, as I always do when I hear this: if Macs and PCs are the same components, why do PCs statistically have a significantly higher rate of hardware failure than Macs? That doesn't make sense if they're just the same.

here you go: a new ALU Macbook, thet felt from about 1 m:

If it were the old plastic case, it would be two options: either it would break or you would see no damage at all... but now, that it is made out of aluminium, you have no other option, than bring it back to Apple Reseller and pray, that they will change it (of course you will have to pay about 25% of repair cost, if you even have some warranty - we don't have Apple Care here), or you have another option: an hammer, combined with patience and too many free time on your hands.

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[Wikinerd]

Wrong. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116493 Vista Ultimate 64-bit, $179.

And you only need Vista Home Premium to equal Leopard. It even includes technologies that Leopard currently does not. For example, the technology to use the GPU in the way OpenCL will has already existed in Windows thanks to nvidia and ATI for over a year now And Windows has been taking full advantage of the GPU for video playback for almost a decade now. Not half-assed HWMC and iDCT support like OS X.

Launch price and official price at Microsoft's website. (There're always ways where you can get them cheaper... so I'm not gonna just go dig another number out...)

(And Mac OS X's price is also taken from Apple's website.)

 

[MorphingDragon]

Puzzling Logic Moments

To completely put the car analogy in the dust, (No Pun Intended)
How many of us actually BUY a NEW car?
(Though I do like driving european cars over cheap Japanese/Korean cars)

Which also makes me wonder,
What are Windows Camp people doing on an Apple rumour site?
I recently came from the nVidia forums and I had to be the ONLY person who owned a mac in the last 5 years. Yet on one of the first few threads there must of been atleast 10 people who don't own a mac.

The mystery of logic confuses me :S

Why did I buy a mac?
Because I can
NO theres more to it than that.
A society where we have to justify what we BOUGHT with our OWN money is a pretty sad one.

My new 24" mac? Not perfect in the least bit of sense but in my experience,
Vista trips over its own toes going past Internet related services. (Coming from an Ex Hardcore Gamer Freak) Windows 7 doesn't look like it would fix much, If youve used KDE 4 with crystal enabled you know where Im coming from. ITS VERY KDE 4 LIKE. I dont want Aero, I want my computer!!!

Leopard?
Meh, the only other experience Ive had was Mac OS9 on a Performa 5200 so I cant compare.
The mighty mouse sucks, I got me a good ol' Logitech Mouse.
Price, Yea right, I couldve of payed for one years Tuition for University.
So why did I get it?
Re-Read my post if you still haven't figured out.

Oh and for the post above, Opeter:
Im assuming you live in America?
But I give kudos for Apple for trying a new technique which is significantly better than traditional means. (In terms of strength)
In europe/pacific, if it is covered under warranty it MUST be accepted and replaced or a full refund given.
Or you give the place hell (The latter is always so fun)

 

[Wikinerd]

here you go: a new ALU Macbook, thet felt from about 1 m:


If it were the old plastic case, it would be two options: either it would break or you would see no damage at all... but now, that it is made out of aluminium, you have no other option, than bring it back to Apple Reseller and pray, that they will change it (of course you will have to pay about 25% of repair cost, if you even have some warranty - we don't have Apple Care here).

EDIT: changed the size of the images

1m?!?!? And you call that "significant"? You really need to see how bad other kinds of computers look when they take that kind of a beating.

What about that HP that looks like it's going to fall apart right there in the store? Tried dropping it? I bet you'll get more damage than a warped case.