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To each his own opinion I guess, but to me a major upgrade (from the 4S) would be a phone that is not just an elongated version of its predecessor, but one with a larger screen (length and width), significantly better battery life plus the incremental improvements you've mentioned and that should be expected from a new generation phone.

Bigger screen? Big "wup" (did I get that right?) Many of us would consider that a backward move. Mobile devices should be small and portable.

Significantly better battery life? Well, we don't know yet do we? And unless Apple cuts back on the power of the device and it's abilities or increases its size, that's not really something they control until a breakthrough in batteries happens.

Edit: It seems screen alone is what so many are stuck on. This thing could have a hydrogen fuel cell and they would say it's not innovative unless it has a 12" screen. :rolleyes:
 
Thinner phone? Big wup. I'd rather have the same thickness phone if it meant a longer lasting battery. Plus thinner won't make holding the phone any easier.

Metal back? Uummmm OK? Other than build quality and aesthetics this will benefit users how?

Upgraded camera, CPU/GPU and battery life? Imagine that, a newer generation phone that doesn't improve on any of these things.

iOS6? Have you read any of the iOS6 threads recently? Consensus is that it is much ado about nothing. Mapping as of now is not nearly what we've been used to with Google.

To each his own opinion I guess, but to me a major upgrade (from the 4S) would be a phone that is not just an elongated version of its predecessor, but one with a larger screen (length and width), significantly better battery life plus the incremental improvements you've mentioned and that should be expected from a new generation phone.

The thinness is only a by-product of a new screen technology which adds to the battery life. The metal backing, while making it aesthetically different (which is what people on here are crying about) is beneficial for the reasons you stated yourself. As for the camera and CPU/GPU - yes of course.

Basically you picked out a couple things, didn't really say anything about them and said a big upgrade to you would be to add width and SUBSTANTIALLY increase the battery - which I argued will already happen as a byproduct of all those changes (as much as battery tech would allow)....

It's really difficult to argue when I state facts and I get vague generalizations which only support my facts - which the poster of said generalizations is too stupid to notice.
 
Actually my bad - it's a little more. So 16:9 will leave some rows unused (if 1136/640 is the resolution.)

To be exactly 16:9, with the same number of pixels across, Apple would need to have 1,137.77 (repeating) pixels vertically. We are talking a 1.78 pixel difference - less than 2 rows.
 
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To be exactly 16:9, with the same number of pixels across, Apple would need to have 1,137.77 (repeating) pixels vertically. We are talking a 1.78 pixel difference - less than 2 rows.

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Glad you are proud of your phone. I have never been attracted to the Galaxy phones. Too big and too Android. Plus the build quality is not on par with Apple.

Too big? Too Android? hmmmm
 
The thinness is only a by-product of a new screen technology which adds to the battery life. The metal backing, while making it aesthetically different (which is what people on here are crying about) is beneficial for the reasons you stated yourself. As for the camera and CPU/GPU - yes of course.

Basically you picked out a couple things, didn't really say anything about them and said a big upgrade to you would be to add width and SUBSTANTIALLY increase the battery - which I argued will already happen as a byproduct of all those changes (as much as battery tech would allow)....

It's really difficult to argue when I state facts and I get vague generalizations which only support my facts - which the poster of said generalizations is too stupid to notice.

C'mon swizzle, no need for personal attacks here.

I'm well aware of the purported new screen technology as well as all the other rumours that if implemented should help battery life. But if the new in-cell screen is used and does save space, why not just keep the overall thickness the same so that extra space can be used for other enhancements. To me thinner does not mean better!

My generalizations were intentional and the point I was trying to make was that as fans of Apple products, let's not get carried away with labelling iPhone enhancements as "major upgrades" when they're simply expected evolutionary changes or playing catch-up to phones on the market that already have those enhancements.

The fact that the phone may end up looking like a stretched version of its predecessor is disappointing and to me means this is not a major upgrade.

But like I said, to each his own opinion.
 
I'd like to point out something I would assume is obvious, but most likely never considered by frothing Android (and Apple and Microsoft even) fanboys: none of the OSes are playing "catch-up" to anyone save for in market share. To say iOS 6 is "behind" because it is bringing features that are on other smartphones currently sold is inaccurate. The reason is this statement is based on the premise that each handset and OS maker creates each feature equally - which couldn't be farther from the case.

Apple will bring things like LTE, Turn-By-Turn, 3D maps, a larger screen and in-cell touch tech. Are any of these things firsts for smartphones? No. But the LTE chip Apple will be using is Qualcomm's new less power hungry, world-wide capable LTE radio. Turn-by-turn will use Apple's new mapping system and Siri as will their 3D Maps. The In-cell tech is extremely new (I think the Xperia S has it?) and even so is an Apple designed variant allowing for advances in screen brightness/efficiency while keeping the device sleek.

There are other features I could mention - the point is you either like how one OS implements a certain feature or you like the other. These features have never been in an iPhone and if other features are any indication, Apple will have waited to implement these until the right moment (i.e. until they could add them all without compromising battery life and still keep the device thin).

If you prefer how Android implements LTE (by throwing it out there "first" and invariably destroying the phones' battery life) then by all means go buy that phone. But each new feature is unique to each OS until implementation regardless if another handset has it (which given smartphone release timetables will always happen - GS3 comes out in July, iP5 out in October).

Instead of overreacting and posting useless, emotional one-liners about the "demise" of the world's most valuable company. How about we wait to see how Apple puts this all together. I betcha once you see the finished product (provided you prefer how Apple does things OS wise), you'll understand why they did things the way they did.

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C'mon swizzle, no need for personal attacks here.

I'm well aware of the purported new screen technology as well as all the other rumours that if implemented should help battery life. But if the new in-cell screen is used and does save space, why not just keep the overall thickness the same so that extra space can be used for other enhancements. To me thinner does not mean better!

My generalizations were intentional and the point I was trying to make was that as fans of Apple products, let's not get carried away with labelling iPhone enhancements as "major upgrades" when they're simply expected evolutionary changes or playing catch-up to phones on the market that already have those enhancements.

The fact that the phone may end up looking like a stretched version of its predecessor is disappointing and to me means this is not a major upgrade.

But like I said, to each his own opinion.

I meant no disrespect. There are people who prefer battery life over thickness (you are one). I think Apple finds a balance. Get the phone just a little thinner, while improving overall battery life - even in the face of a beefier CPU/GPU and LTE (i.e. the GS3, supposedly the best out there is thinner than the iP4S). I think today's technology age has desensitized the general public to just how much goes into those "incremental upgrades".

As for playing catch up....I submit the above post for consideration.
 
Yup fire Jony Ive, designer of other Apple products Image

This is the type of mentality that apple is falling under. That nobody is infallible. This is exactly why apple will fall. Let's all suck up and admit that these phone looks outdated and just plain simply odd..
 
Oh, now most people like the new design. What a surprise.... :rolleyes:

Been an iPhone user since the original iPhone was released.. seriously thinking of jumping ship.. just getting bored of the same ol' rows of box shaped icons..
So with this additional height we may be able to get yet another row of icons..

This will be the first iPhone pre-order I'll be sitting out. iOS could really use some sort of overhaul at this point and freshen it up a bit..

Apple came out with a game changer with the original iPhone and iOS and we just keep getting served the same thing year after year..
 
Now people will realise how ********** lame the tiny 3.5 screen was.

And after that iPhone fanatics will say how awesome the new screen size is and that is way better than before... when before they said they didn't want a bigger screen.

Either way it's still lame: before 3.5 and more 4, but only taller...
 
I think it's funny that if NOW Apple released a different phone, then some would be disappointed in going back to 4:3.

Even after the "mediocre" changes, I'd still say the iPhone is a superior phone. I have my iPhone 4 from June 2010 while I watch my friends go through Androids multiple times per year.

People are asking for change just for the sake of it now. This is like people who can't stay with a single partner. It's still great, but the "lust" is just gone now. Stay content with what works and enjoy the subtle changes. It'll help some to try and enjoy committed relationships that are actually functional.
 
I'd like to point out something I would assume is obvious, but most likely never considered by frothing Android (and Apple and Microsoft even) fanboys: none of the OSes are playing "catch-up" to anyone save for in market share. To say iOS 6 is "behind" because it is bringing features that are on other smartphones currently sold is inaccurate. The reason is this statement is based on the premise that each handset and OS maker creates each feature equally - which couldn't be farther from the case.

Apple will bring things like LTE, Turn-By-Turn, 3D maps, a larger screen and in-cell touch tech. Are any of these things firsts for smartphones? No. But the LTE chip Apple will be using is Qualcomm's new less power hungry, world-wide capable LTE radio. Turn-by-turn will use Apple's new mapping system and Siri as will their 3D Maps. The In-cell tech is extremely new (I think the Xperia S has it?) and even so is an Apple designed variant allowing for advances in screen brightness/efficiency while keeping the device sleek.

You have a point - but I think it's widely accepted that Apple needed to increase screen-size one way or another, because all other phones got bigger around them - that is an example of playing catch-up, but it could be attributed to evolution or common sense also. I would be perfectly happy with the 3,5" screen still.

Battery life is another one that people tend to compare side by side, and iPhones aren't at the front here.

The change of the maps app has the potential to be rather catastrophic simply because Apple have nowhere near the amount of data gathered to make it equally or more useful than Google maps. This move is done as a reaction to Google and will put Apple in a position where they have to play catch-up for a while (a short while i hope - but I'm afraid it's going to be some time). I know it's two different apps and two different methods, but in the end people will judge them on whether or not they get the job done.
 
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I see the top phone's bottom edge here. :)

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Much different from the first photo where widths where clearly different. As I said, the prior one or more phones in the prior photo was a fake. If this one is correct, and leaked specs suggest it is, then they are similar widths. Even though lengths are different, the sides line up.

To be clear, I am not saying that the new phone is wider but that the prior photo comparison showed varying widths that could not be explained with perspective angle.
 
i just hope that all of these leaks are wrong and something else shows up at the keynote.

If that is the case then Tim cook has got all my respect. It would be a unbelievable feat to actually hide the real thing and dump fake parts on the market that all look the same. Either way just bring on the damn phone.
 
OMG, This crap is killing me. Do you really think the supplier would be non-contractually obligated to keep all design details non-existent prior to release? And they even announce their company name!!!? Pathetic. All you people who actually think this is real, you shouldn't even love technology if you don't know it.

God.
 
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