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"Major delays"? What? Hardly. Granted if you have one on order from day 1 then it seems like an eternity, but you OBVIOUSLY weren't on the day 1 waiting list for the RevA Powerbook G4 - that was a wait, then a delay, then a major delay.
Neck stuck out... the G5 in a Powerbook is POSSIBLE tomorrow.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday
Very interesting and I will give it a shot at waxing intellectually on the topic. After carefully reviewing the coupon, the new (if the rumors are true) powerbooks would qualify. It lists the end date as 9/27/03. The one problem you might run in to is the mail in date. According to the rebate it must be mailed in 30 days after purchase and before Nov 15, 2003 (recv'd at Apple). Two potential hurdles here - supply of the new power books and supply of the new iPods. Since you need the UPC labels it could be challenging to get that rebate based on the dates if supplies are delayed.
I haven't read all 14 (now) pages of this thread but I haven't seen many people talk about the supply issue of the "new" powerbooks. If they are G4 chips, can we reasonably assume Moto will be able to meet supply? I mean even if there is no G5 (doubt it personally) you have pent up demand from a low supply chain PLUS pent up demand from people waiting for an updated power book - even just a G4. If the rumors are true and at least the 15" has backlite keyboard, USB 2.0, FW 4&800 I wouldn't be surprised to see a rush. I personally doubt Moto will be able to keep up with the demand. As a result, you could place an order and not get one until Nov. - then only to see a G5 in a few short months.
Very interesting and I will give it a shot at waxing intellectually on the topic. After carefully reviewing the coupon, the new (if the rumors are true) powerbooks would qualify. It lists the end date as 9/27/03. The one problem you might run in to is the mail in date. According to the rebate it must be mailed in 30 days after purchase and before Nov 15, 2003 (recv'd at Apple). Two potential hurdles here - supply of the new power books and supply of the new iPods. Since you need the UPC labels it could be challenging to get that rebate based on the dates if supplies are delayed.
I haven't read all 14 (now) pages of this thread but I haven't seen many people talk about the supply issue of the "new" powerbooks. If they are G4 chips, can we reasonably assume Moto will be able to meet supply? I mean even if there is no G5 (doubt it personally) you have pent up demand from a low supply chain PLUS pent up demand from people waiting for an updated power book - even just a G4. If the rumors are true and at least the 15" has backlite keyboard, USB 2.0, FW 4&800 I wouldn't be surprised to see a rush. I personally doubt Moto will be able to keep up with the demand. As a result, you could place an order and not get one until Nov. - then only to see a G5 in a few short months.
Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
Sorry, no one has brought forth any marketing theory, or charts or photos that deny a possibility of a G5 powerbook. Sorry. If "Apple won't release a notebook cuz it'll hurt the desktop sales" is people's idea of marketing theory, I hope you all work in food service. A sale is a sale is a sale. A notebook sale brings higher profits, so I can't see any sane business holding back a higher-margin product to pad sales of a lower-margin product. That's just plain bad math.
The point is there is NOTHING, ANYWHERE, pointing to either chipset in the next powerbook. The G4 is more likely because we already know the G4 can be done, but it doesn't seem like the G4 can get faster w/o moving to the 7457 for power reasons. The G5 *could* happen: the proc itself isn't a power problem, the entire bus AND proc can be slewed by the OS for power and heat savings, AND the system bus can run at 1/2, 1/4, 1/6, or 1/8 the proc speed. Apple has had ~18 months to design a controller and mobo according to the IBM memo. Well, maybe that controller is a hot bastard and lowering to bus isn't making up for it. Maybe the RAM interleaving is borking the system architecture. Maybe these were trivial to implement and Apple is just being its normal closed-mouth self.
Basically, the rumor sites clearly have no solid information on powerbook updates and haven't for the last 6 months. So, since no one has any clue what's going on, what's the harm in some wishful thinking? I think apple could have done it. I don't think Steve wants to get onstage and talk about a speed-bump and a 7-month delayed case change. My position is the same as it was when I found out he was giving the keynote: He'll intro the G5 powerbooks OR remain completely silent on powerbooks and we'll see a G4 speedbump in one of the small boxes on apple.com. Nice and quiet.
All that said, it would surprise me to see the 970 in a powerbook before we see it in an Xserve. REALLY surprise me. I can't imagine what's holding up the Xserves.
Sorry, no one has brought forth any marketing theory, or charts or photos that deny a possibility of a G5 powerbook. Sorry. If "Apple won't release a notebook cuz it'll hurt the desktop sales" is people's idea of marketing theory, I hope you all work in food service. A sale is a sale is a sale. A notebook sale brings higher profits, so I can't see any sane business holding back a higher-margin product to pad sales of a lower-margin product. That's just plain bad math.
The point is there is NOTHING, ANYWHERE, pointing to either chipset in the next powerbook. The G4 is more likely because we already know the G4 can be done, but it doesn't seem like the G4 can get faster w/o moving to the 7457 for power reasons. The G5 *could* happen: the proc itself isn't a power problem, the entire bus AND proc can be slewed by the OS for power and heat savings, AND the system bus can run at 1/2, 1/4, 1/6, or 1/8 the proc speed. Apple has had ~18 months to design a controller and mobo according to the IBM memo. Well, maybe that controller is a hot bastard and lowering to bus isn't making up for it. Maybe the RAM interleaving is borking the system architecture. Maybe these were trivial to implement and Apple is just being its normal closed-mouth self.
Basically, the rumor sites clearly have no solid information on powerbook updates and haven't for the last 6 months. So, since no one has any clue what's going on, what's the harm in some wishful thinking? I think apple could have done it. I don't think Steve wants to get onstage and talk about a speed-bump and a 7-month delayed case change. My position is the same as it was when I found out he was giving the keynote: He'll intro the G5 powerbooks OR remain completely silent on powerbooks and we'll see a G4 speedbump in one of the small boxes on apple.com. Nice and quiet.
All that said, it would surprise me to see the 970 in a powerbook before we see it in an Xserve. REALLY surprise me. I can't imagine what's holding up the Xserves.
Powerbook 12" estimated shipping has now gone from 3-5 days to 7-10 days... (I have an order in the pipeline - has been there for 10 days and there's still no sign of shipping).
Powerbook 15" estimated shipping is still at 3-5 days -
Powerbook 17" estimated shipping is still at 3-5 days -
So from looking at these figures, it seems that at least the 12" is being updated or maybe the 12" isn't quite ready yet... But the change in the shipping date does make me think an update is about to happen...
Powerbook 15" estimated shipping is still at 3-5 days -
Powerbook 17" estimated shipping is still at 3-5 days -
So from looking at these figures, it seems that at least the 12" is being updated or maybe the 12" isn't quite ready yet... But the change in the shipping date does make me think an update is about to happen...
I think i'd rather have a G4 powerbook if it's available immediately than to have a G5 and wait for another 3-4 months till they fulfill all the orders.
Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
On the contrary, a close read of this thread shows it is mainly the pro G5 group who have provided the more solid technical arguments for their case, such as it is, since this is all speculation.
And just count how many times the G4 group have stooped to using abusive terms like stupidity and pathetic in this thread in place of solid counter arguments, or glibly restated like a stuck record the much discredited theory that the "G5 is waaaaaay to hot because it has 9 fans etc etc"
Exhibiting vision and hope does not justify gratuitous abuse from those who have none.
On the contrary, a close read of this thread shows it is mainly the pro G5 group who have provided the more solid technical arguments for their case, such as it is, since this is all speculation.
And just count how many times the G4 group have stooped to using abusive terms like stupidity and pathetic in this thread in place of solid counter arguments, or glibly restated like a stuck record the much discredited theory that the "G5 is waaaaaay to hot because it has 9 fans etc etc"
Exhibiting vision and hope does not justify gratuitous abuse from those who have none.
my 2cents
for what it's worth...
no G5 laptop
no 12" update (yet)
15" al
upgraded 17" (cpu only)
and I expect none of the above to stand up to the Centrino, sorry but I think Apple's lost the laptop war.
Oh yes, just one more thing... and something completely new!
e.
for what it's worth...
no G5 laptop
no 12" update (yet)
15" al
upgraded 17" (cpu only)
and I expect none of the above to stand up to the Centrino, sorry but I think Apple's lost the laptop war.
Oh yes, just one more thing... and something completely new!
e.
Re: my 2cents
In your opinion, will those be 7457s?Originally posted by esheep2001
for what it's worth...
no G5 laptop
no 12" update (yet)
15" al
upgraded 17" (cpu only)
and I expect none of the above to stand up to the Centrino, sorry but I think Apple's lost the laptop war.
Oh yes, just one more thing... and something completely new!
e.
Re: Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
The only technical data I've seen in favor of the G5-in-a-powerbook are a few links to relating to underclocked G5 power numbers and comparisons to outdated G4s.
What I've seen stated against the G5 are arguments that the CPU itself is actually slightly higher power than the G4, the memory certainly is, no one knows a darn thing about the system controller, all the external I/O between chips runs at a higher toggle rate, underclocking the G5 is likely to negate any benefit against the G4, Powerbooks can't fit 2GB or RAM yet let alone more than 4GB, Apple has publicly stated it will be a while before the chip is in a laptop and they can't even meet their orders for the G5 desktops yet.
To the G5-in-a-Powerbook Tuesday argument you've added that Steve would be embarassed without one...
Oy.
Look there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking, but when people ask for or demand more than is possible, they get disappointed and then they get angry. I don't care if people want a G5 powerbook. I want a G5 powerbook.
What I don't want is some poor schmuck thinking Apple is holding out on them because some misguided soul posted some irrelevant link and made some erroneous statements. When I see that, I respond with what I believe to be the facts.
I wouldn't expect a G5PB until late next year except the problems with Mot might force a premature release early '04. I wouldn't buy a G5PB before late next year because I think they'll have problems, but that's fine because I won't be ready to buy a new one before that anyway.
I'd love to be surprised, it could only mean that when I am ready to buy things will be that much better, but I'm trying to be realistic.
The only technical data I've seen in favor of the G5-in-a-powerbook are a few links to relating to underclocked G5 power numbers and comparisons to outdated G4s.
What I've seen stated against the G5 are arguments that the CPU itself is actually slightly higher power than the G4, the memory certainly is, no one knows a darn thing about the system controller, all the external I/O between chips runs at a higher toggle rate, underclocking the G5 is likely to negate any benefit against the G4, Powerbooks can't fit 2GB or RAM yet let alone more than 4GB, Apple has publicly stated it will be a while before the chip is in a laptop and they can't even meet their orders for the G5 desktops yet.
To the G5-in-a-Powerbook Tuesday argument you've added that Steve would be embarassed without one...
Oy.
Look there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking, but when people ask for or demand more than is possible, they get disappointed and then they get angry. I don't care if people want a G5 powerbook. I want a G5 powerbook.
What I don't want is some poor schmuck thinking Apple is holding out on them because some misguided soul posted some irrelevant link and made some erroneous statements. When I see that, I respond with what I believe to be the facts.
I wouldn't expect a G5PB until late next year except the problems with Mot might force a premature release early '04. I wouldn't buy a G5PB before late next year because I think they'll have problems, but that's fine because I won't be ready to buy a new one before that anyway.
I'd love to be surprised, it could only mean that when I am ready to buy things will be that much better, but I'm trying to be realistic.
Re: my 2cents
LOL - what ARE you talking about? Apple has always and still sets the standard for laptops, and when the G5 does make it into the lappies, they will be even faster than they already are, which is admirably fast enough to match these vaunted centrinos.
Noone comes close to apple for killer style and snap, not even sony. I wouldn't be seen dead and decomposing in a dumpster in a dark alley in Denver carrying one of the hideous overgrown paperweights the PC community calls laptops.
In any case, the damn things ought to be quarantined by the CDC, they don't usually leave highly infective viral vectors wandering around in public.
LOL - what ARE you talking about? Apple has always and still sets the standard for laptops, and when the G5 does make it into the lappies, they will be even faster than they already are, which is admirably fast enough to match these vaunted centrinos.
Noone comes close to apple for killer style and snap, not even sony. I wouldn't be seen dead and decomposing in a dumpster in a dark alley in Denver carrying one of the hideous overgrown paperweights the PC community calls laptops.
In any case, the damn things ought to be quarantined by the CDC, they don't usually leave highly infective viral vectors wandering around in public.
Re: Re: my 2cents
I would expect so. Probably the last Moto chips to be used too.
My guess is for G5's by Jan when SJ will yet again annonce the year of the notebook
Of course, I hope I'm wrong! I want to see G5's tomorrow as much as the next guy, I'm just trying to lower my expectations though.
e.
I would expect so. Probably the last Moto chips to be used too.
My guess is for G5's by Jan when SJ will yet again annonce the year of the notebook
Of course, I hope I'm wrong! I want to see G5's tomorrow as much as the next guy, I'm just trying to lower my expectations though.
e.
Re: Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
And you know what? That's not even relevant, IMHO. The question is: have Apple been able to produce a new mobo with a chipset power-efficient enough to fit in those slim PB enclosure? I think it will be hard to find solid evidence about this one.
So again, let's chill a bit. You might be right, we might get a G5. And then again, we might not. You are entitled to your opinion. There is nothing wrong with that. But stop seeing solid evidence when there is absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, f**k-all (as we say over here in the UK).
First, cards on the table, let me say that I don't think we are going to get a G5 in the PB, and I have already stated my reasons for that opinion. And you know what, I don't have any hard facts to prove it. Why? Because they aren't any. It's just speculation. But where are the solid facts about the so-called 'pro-G5'? I would like to know. Let's not go again to that discussion about heat consumption. There are no facts: most of the time the heat comparison figures (between the G5 and G4) use the specs of the 7455A. For about 3/4 of the year, we have been using rev.B in Powermacs. And what about the 7457 specs(if those chips exist, btw), where would you get them? Preliminary Moto estimates? What's the value of that?
And you know what? That's not even relevant, IMHO. The question is: have Apple been able to produce a new mobo with a chipset power-efficient enough to fit in those slim PB enclosure? I think it will be hard to find solid evidence about this one.
So again, let's chill a bit. You might be right, we might get a G5. And then again, we might not. You are entitled to your opinion. There is nothing wrong with that. But stop seeing solid evidence when there is absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, f**k-all (as we say over here in the UK).
Re: Re: my 2cents
Style yes, sheer speed, not anymore. Altivec is still good if that's what you need but that's gonna pale now that the desktop G5's are out.
Earlier parts of this thread have emphasised the chipset problems (not just heat) that will ensue with the G5. Not insurmountable by any means but time consuming.
I have no doubt Apple will get there eventually, but I doubt they will ever lead again.
As to style, I actually quite like the Sony Z1. Ok so XP blows, but it's the best MS have come up with so far. As for viruses, if you're dumb enough to open an attachment in an email message you didn't expect then you get what you deserve! Equally, if you're greedy enough for "free" stuff that you're willing to run adware then good luck to you!
Sorry, but now that Intel have admitted that MHz is not everything and have started trouncing the G4 with the Centrino it's difficult to justify the expense of an Apple notebook for anything except realtime video that makes extensive use of altivec.
I really wanted to get an Apple Powerbook but every speed bump for the Centrino is another nail in the coffin of the Powerbook. I refuse to spend twice as much on a machine just because it looks good. And what's the point of having a fantastic OS if it's crippled by the hardware?
All IMHO, of course!
e.
Style yes, sheer speed, not anymore. Altivec is still good if that's what you need but that's gonna pale now that the desktop G5's are out.
Earlier parts of this thread have emphasised the chipset problems (not just heat) that will ensue with the G5. Not insurmountable by any means but time consuming.
I have no doubt Apple will get there eventually, but I doubt they will ever lead again.
As to style, I actually quite like the Sony Z1. Ok so XP blows, but it's the best MS have come up with so far. As for viruses, if you're dumb enough to open an attachment in an email message you didn't expect then you get what you deserve! Equally, if you're greedy enough for "free" stuff that you're willing to run adware then good luck to you!
Sorry, but now that Intel have admitted that MHz is not everything and have started trouncing the G4 with the Centrino it's difficult to justify the expense of an Apple notebook for anything except realtime video that makes extensive use of altivec.
I really wanted to get an Apple Powerbook but every speed bump for the Centrino is another nail in the coffin of the Powerbook. I refuse to spend twice as much on a machine just because it looks good. And what's the point of having a fantastic OS if it's crippled by the hardware?
All IMHO, of course!
e.
Re: Re: Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
Well said.
*singing*
We don't need another hero.
Well said.
*singing*
We don't need another hero.
Re: Re: Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
You must have missed the bit you snipped off from my post , which said its the pro G5 who have provided the more solid technical arguments for their case, such as it is, since this is all speculation.
- so on that point we agree, there is obviously very little to go on at all. I never said otherwise, tho others may have.
However, my main point (throughout this entire thread) was that the counter arguments have mainly consisted of "just can't" and "stupid" and "pathetic" rather than exhibiting much solid intelligent assessment and this had been largely true until just the last few posts actually. Analog Kid put it together nicely tho, so kudos to him.
You must have missed the bit you snipped off from my post , which said its the pro G5 who have provided the more solid technical arguments for their case, such as it is, since this is all speculation.
- so on that point we agree, there is obviously very little to go on at all. I never said otherwise, tho others may have.
However, my main point (throughout this entire thread) was that the counter arguments have mainly consisted of "just can't" and "stupid" and "pathetic" rather than exhibiting much solid intelligent assessment and this had been largely true until just the last few posts actually. Analog Kid put it together nicely tho, so kudos to him.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
Shame on me. Normally, I'm not one to jump on other people's back that quickly. I have to say I am a bit exasperated by all this bickering about the G4/G5 in the new PBs. What comes to mind is a bunch of first-graders...
Yeah. I think some people are here to, I don't know, show off, flex their typing muscles, or something... But (forgive me for being a little bit partial) I have seen a lot condescending stuff coming out of the so-called 'pro-G5' side of the argument too.
Oh well...
Shame on me. Normally, I'm not one to jump on other people's back that quickly. I have to say I am a bit exasperated by all this bickering about the G4/G5 in the new PBs. What comes to mind is a bunch of first-graders...
However, my main point (throughout this entire thread) was that the counter arguments have mainly consisted of "just can't" and "stupid" and "pathetic" rather than exhibiting much solid intelligent assessment and this had been largely true until just the last few posts actually. Analog Kid put it together nicely tho, so kudos to him.
Yeah. I think some people are here to, I don't know, show off, flex their typing muscles, or something... But (forgive me for being a little bit partial) I have seen a lot condescending stuff coming out of the so-called 'pro-G5' side of the argument too.
Oh well...
Hmm. Okay, so we're all pretty much agreed that a G5 PB would be nice...
Although there's many misconceptions on both sides of the argument, I'm starting to reckon there will be no G5 Powerbook. Here's why....
... but before I begin, lemme point out this is opinion, not intended as an attack on anyone, or to be taken as gospel. Any reasoned factual rebuttal to these points is welcome.
1 - The Processor.
Heat and power consumption are most likely not an issue. However...
2 - The Architecture.
Any follower of the PowerMac G5 is aware that the CPU is only one part of what makes the machine so good. Any G5 system worth buying needs to have the supporting bus, memory and I/O components. Of particular concern is the power requirements of the memory (as mentioned in an earlier post). Bear in mind that building a G5 laptop really is pushing the envelope. This sort of architecture simply hasn't been done in laptops before by anyone. Apple may have most of the pieces of the puzzle, but do the RAM manufacturers?
3 - Would a portable G5 be worth buying?
At this point in time, it seems that a G5 PowerBook would be limited in ways that may make it an embarrasment. As noted above, the G5 isn't a drop-in solution to building a fast machine. Would a G5 laptop, possibly underclocked, without the high-performance supporting subsystems be worth buying? With the PowerMac G5, Apple genuinely have a very quick machine. In the past, Apple have been known for making rather optimistic claims regarding their machines. Is it worth risking their new-found confidence and reputation by shoe-horning a G5 into a machine that can't make the most of it?
4 - Are the G4's really that bad?
I don't have a PowerBook. I'm plodding along with a G3/500 iMac. Yet it is still one of the most capable machines I've ever owned - due in no small part to the truly great operating system and hardware integration. The thought alone of having a machine that useful in a portable format is very tempting. Seeing speed-bumped G4 PowerBooks tomorrow instead of a G5 system will not change that opinion. IMHO, Apple laptops really shine against the competition, no matter what a Centrino can muster benchmark-wise. I've owned PC laptops, and never been all that happy with them. OS X and Apple allow you to use a laptop as it's meant to be used, not just as a luggable desktop.
Whatever is released tomorrow, for someone looking to buy a laptop, they're going to be attractive machines. At the end of the day, you interact with the OS and the applications - the hardware needs to be as pleasant to use and as inobtrusive as possible. Apple PowerBooks are beautifully designed (both aesthetically and functionally), run an OS that I prefer above all others, and come with applications I'm rapidly finding I can't live without.
Now gimme a couple of grand and let me buy the thing already!
Although there's many misconceptions on both sides of the argument, I'm starting to reckon there will be no G5 Powerbook. Here's why....
... but before I begin, lemme point out this is opinion, not intended as an attack on anyone, or to be taken as gospel. Any reasoned factual rebuttal to these points is welcome.
1 - The Processor.
Heat and power consumption are most likely not an issue. However...
2 - The Architecture.
Any follower of the PowerMac G5 is aware that the CPU is only one part of what makes the machine so good. Any G5 system worth buying needs to have the supporting bus, memory and I/O components. Of particular concern is the power requirements of the memory (as mentioned in an earlier post). Bear in mind that building a G5 laptop really is pushing the envelope. This sort of architecture simply hasn't been done in laptops before by anyone. Apple may have most of the pieces of the puzzle, but do the RAM manufacturers?
3 - Would a portable G5 be worth buying?
At this point in time, it seems that a G5 PowerBook would be limited in ways that may make it an embarrasment. As noted above, the G5 isn't a drop-in solution to building a fast machine. Would a G5 laptop, possibly underclocked, without the high-performance supporting subsystems be worth buying? With the PowerMac G5, Apple genuinely have a very quick machine. In the past, Apple have been known for making rather optimistic claims regarding their machines. Is it worth risking their new-found confidence and reputation by shoe-horning a G5 into a machine that can't make the most of it?
4 - Are the G4's really that bad?
I don't have a PowerBook. I'm plodding along with a G3/500 iMac. Yet it is still one of the most capable machines I've ever owned - due in no small part to the truly great operating system and hardware integration. The thought alone of having a machine that useful in a portable format is very tempting. Seeing speed-bumped G4 PowerBooks tomorrow instead of a G5 system will not change that opinion. IMHO, Apple laptops really shine against the competition, no matter what a Centrino can muster benchmark-wise. I've owned PC laptops, and never been all that happy with them. OS X and Apple allow you to use a laptop as it's meant to be used, not just as a luggable desktop.
Whatever is released tomorrow, for someone looking to buy a laptop, they're going to be attractive machines. At the end of the day, you interact with the OS and the applications - the hardware needs to be as pleasant to use and as inobtrusive as possible. Apple PowerBooks are beautifully designed (both aesthetically and functionally), run an OS that I prefer above all others, and come with applications I'm rapidly finding I can't live without.
Now gimme a couple of grand and let me buy the thing already!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The G5 doesn't work in the Powerbook
Yep, its funny, this is the sort of intensity PC/Mac debates usually get into, but this is a Mac/Mac debate - it's really been quite weird.
What do you want to bet they don't upgrade the damn things at ALL on Tuesday.
Yep, its funny, this is the sort of intensity PC/Mac debates usually get into, but this is a Mac/Mac debate - it's really been quite weird.
What do you want to bet they don't upgrade the damn things at ALL on Tuesday.
MacBidouille Expo Summary
- Summary of the hardware rumors before Apple Expo - Lionel - 12:10:34
Macbidouille has decided to stop releasing "exclusive" rumors. So hereafter is a summary of what can be found elsewhere :
- All the different web sites seem to be positively sure that there will be new Power book G4, with the famous long-desired 15".
Regarding the situation in France, the FNAC (one of the biggest computer reseller in France) web site has moved all PowerBooks to "temporarily non available", except the 17" model sold in bundle with an iSight and an Airport station.
- Concerning the release of Panther, there are divergent info. Some are seeing Panther to be announced and released, other web sites mention the build 7B68. So either Panther is not ready, or the last build (7B68) is already the ;most recent build of the future 10.3.1.
Sources: MacRumors - Think Secret - Apple Insiders
- Summary of the hardware rumors before Apple Expo - Lionel - 12:10:34
Macbidouille has decided to stop releasing "exclusive" rumors. So hereafter is a summary of what can be found elsewhere :
- All the different web sites seem to be positively sure that there will be new Power book G4, with the famous long-desired 15".
Regarding the situation in France, the FNAC (one of the biggest computer reseller in France) web site has moved all PowerBooks to "temporarily non available", except the 17" model sold in bundle with an iSight and an Airport station.
- Concerning the release of Panther, there are divergent info. Some are seeing Panther to be announced and released, other web sites mention the build 7B68. So either Panther is not ready, or the last build (7B68) is already the ;most recent build of the future 10.3.1.
Sources: MacRumors - Think Secret - Apple Insiders
BTW, the G5 XServe is delayed because it ships with Mac OS X Server, and no G5 is compatible with Jaguar Server. Therefore, G5 Xserve will likely be released with Panther Server, if it is already (hardware-wise) ready.
My 2¢
My 2¢
As a soon to be Mac owner (my first mac!) and its going to be a powerbook....problem being is that i was all ready for heading out to PC world to get it, only to read in a Mac magazine of possible powerbook updates.
Now being a first time mac user and twitching to have some of that Mac goodness in my hands, this is killing me
My plan is to get a 12" PB, i know people here are sayin they wont be updated but im not willing to take the risk
Now being a first time mac user and twitching to have some of that Mac goodness in my hands, this is killing me
My plan is to get a 12" PB, i know people here are sayin they wont be updated but im not willing to take the risk