New PowerBooks on Tuesday.

[Bruja]

IF..

IF they announce and nd make it avialible to the consumers within a SHORT period of time them, I will stop saying the sky is falling and "no powerbooks for you" in French... The people at my local store is rooting for me to pickup my 1st Mac!!

 

[fluidinclusion]

Funny

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
We read the rumors sites, so we know better than to buy new equipment that'll be outdated soon anyway 🙂

Hahahahah. Nice. I guess it'll all be outdated some day.

(P.S. I read most of the main rumor/news sites too, I just haven't posted to most of them.)


Why spend all the time hoping for and coveting all the new products if you can't hug them and squeeze them and call them George... or Tom or Bill .... anything but Sue!

 

[Bruja]

Re: Funny

Originally posted by fluidinclusion
Hahahahah. Nice. I guess it'll all be outdated some day.

(P.S. I read most of the main rumor/news sites too, I just haven't posted to most of them.)


Why spend all the time hoping for and coveting all the new products if you can't hug them and squeeze them and call them George... or Tom or Bill .... anything but Sue!

I'm hoping to call mine "Traci" 😉

 

[panphage]

Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by joeyboy76
and the 12" Powerbook will become a 12"ibook with the G3 gobi processor.. and steve will rename it as G4.

It ain't a G4 w/o Altivec and the Gobi don't got Altivec.

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
I don’t think anyone who is negative about a G5 laptop has any problems with debate but there ARE more then a few people that firmly believe that Apple is going to pull a Houdini this Tuesday. This irks people because it’s contrary to all reason and honestly people logic in thinking that a G5 will be announced is highly flawed. Just because the lower end G5 chips could work doesn’t mean that the chipset and everything else that supports that CPU is ready.

OH MY GOD. Many who say the G5 is impossible seem to have a HUGE problem with debate. How many vitriolic posts with personal insults have been flung in the Anti-G5 camp? Tons. How many have tried to post a factual argument why there can't be a G5? I remember one poster who cited a Motorolla PDF (that turned out to be full of "forward looking" statements and not actual shipping specs) as evidence that a 970 is a hot chip. Everyone else just says, "They're too hot." Even though it has been shown at least 100 times that the 970 @ 1.8GHz is only about 20% hotter than a 1.0GHz G4e that has been in powerbooks for a year.

Your other point has ALSO ALREADY been debunked AD NAUSEUM. Please read the posts in any of these threads. APPLE HAS A DEDICATED POWERBOOK DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM. There is NO REASON Apple could not have been researching and prototyping a 970-based Powerbook system ALL ALONG. EVER SINCE THEY WENT TO IBM WITH THE IDEA FOR 970 BASED SYSTEMS. Nothing would have stopped them from starting work on the portable at exactly the same time as work on the desktop. The desktop is easier, it came out first.

Added to all that is the recent revelation of bus slewing. Where would this be more use than in a notebook? Nowhere. Added to all that is the recent clarification from Ars Technica's interview with one of the 970 engineers that the system bus needn't be 1/2 the proc speed, it can be 1/4, 1/6, or even 1/8. If necessary, the system bus could have been engineered at any of these speeds to conserve battery power and reduce heat. Apple would just have to have picked the best performance/power ratio and built from there.

These are facts. This is logic. I have seen no fact-based, supported reasoning to the contrary. How are these cited facts "contrary to all reason"? How is this logic based on ACTUAL SPECIFICATIONS OF THE PARTS "highly flawed"? Please refute if you can, but use FACTS if you can, preferably facts that can be supported by citing published materials like these facts.

 

[MacIke]

Just Hoping

I am hoping for a big G5 or dual upgrade. Apple has many people to design things.

A 2x G4 on 17 or a G5 on a 17 would make me rethink getting the 15".

I personally love the 15 as the 17 is almost too big.

I also would like to have the computers shipping in weeks (2-3), or avail ASAP as compared to 3 months later.

As of 22:32 on SUN.
As far PB time on Apple. It is 3-5 days on both. I just checked. I am thinking of ordering a 15" tomarrow. So maybe I will be towards the top of the line for the ones.

Best Buy still has some 15 1Ghz left. The 867 are gone.

 

[MacIke]

Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by panphage
Your other point has ALSO ALREADY been debunked AD NAUSEUM. Please read the posts in any of these threads.....


These are facts. This is logic. I have seen no fact-based, supported reasoning to the contrary. [/B]

But... But.... But... I FEEL LIKE I AM RIGHT. Therefore I am right. You just do not understand my feelings on the issue. I feel therefore I am.

javascript:smilie('😀')

 

[panphage]

Whew. Just blowing off some pent-up steam there. Anyway, I'd love to see a 7457 powerbook. What I'd really love is for the 7457 to have miraculously grown DDR support and for the power numbers to actually be close to the estimates Moto has been pushing. I am a firm believer that the G4 coulda been someone...it coulda been a contender...but the damn thing just starves.

Another thing I'd really love is a 12" alubook with a DVI out and an ATI graphics chip.

 

[mgardner]

Now lets think here. A g5 laptop.. well here are my reasons why that wouldnt happen.
1. The major delays on the Desktop G5's.
2. Heat problems... 9 fans?
3. the G5 just came out.. needs some time to get the laptop models out with lower power..

I am really hoping for a g4, getting a g5 would just happen to have problems since it would be a brand spankin' new release ..

 

[jouster]

I am one of the unbelievers (though a mild one, if you check my posts, and happy to be proved wrong), and I feel that we have overlooked one thing.

Whatever the timing of the G5 PowerBooks (and they will come sometime), I would be a little surprised if Steve made such an important anouncement outside the US, when he could easily have a special event.

Heck the x-serve got a special event, and they will sell a fraction of the new PBs.

 

[sacrilicious]

Originally posted by jouster
I am one of the unbelievers (though a mild one, if you check my posts, and happy to be proved wrong), and I feel that we have overlooked one thing.

Whatever the timing of the G5 PowerBooks (and they will come sometime), I would be a little surprised if Steve made such an important anouncement outside the US, when he could easily have a special event.

Heck the x-serve got a special event, and they will sell a fraction of the new PBs.

I'm not just a believer; I have blind faith. When a new 15" is updated, I'm buying the top of the line version as soon as I can. I think a lot of people are with me.

 

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by mgardner
Now lets think here. A g5 laptop.. well here are my reasons why that wouldnt happen.
1. The major delays on the Desktop G5's.

What delays?

Originally posted by mgardner
2. Heat problems... 9 fans?

The G5 would work just fine with one fan. 9 fans are there just for quietness reasons. Steve Jobs is obsessed with silence.

Originally posted by mgardner
3. the G5 just came out.. needs some time to get the laptop models out with lower power..

Why? Apple has multiple design teams.

 

[Powerbook G5]

Originally posted by mgardner
Now lets think here. A g5 laptop.. well here are my reasons why that wouldnt happen.
1. The major delays on the Desktop G5's.
2. Heat problems... 9 fans?
3. the G5 just came out.. needs some time to get the laptop models out with lower power..

I am really hoping for a g4, getting a g5 would just happen to have problems since it would be a brand spankin' new release ..

I don't believe G5 PowerBooks are happening this week, either, but seriously:

1. The G5s aren't delayed. How? I know 3 people who have them, I've seen them in stores all month, and you can walk right in and by one right now if you want one. They were shipped exactly when Apple promised, too.
2. 9 fans are for *noise* problems. If it were seriously that hot that it would need 9 fans for heat problems, the freaking case would go supernova or something.
3. Just because the PowerMac came out recently means nothing. Apple has been working on both systems side by side. When the big switch to the G3 happened, they both came out at the same time with no delay between the desktop and the laptop versions.

I also believe they aren't happening right now, but not for any of the often quoted and oddly flawed reasons, but just because of what seems to be common sense and what has been said officially. Apple has said they are still working on the motherboard and that their system controller is what is holding it back. IBM has said they are working on new techniques for the PowerBook and waiting for Apple with the new system controller because that is the weakest link so far. I know I don't have the answers and it's just one more opinion, but the heat/production rumors are proven falsehoods since there is literally evidence to prove it.

 

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by jouster
Whatever the timing of the G5 PowerBooks (and they will come sometime), I would be a little surprised if Steve made such an important anouncement outside the US, when he could easily have a special event.

Heck the x-serve got a special event, and they will sell a fraction of the new PBs.

So? The Xserve was announced a significant amount of time away from any convenient expo.

 

[brucku]

Originally posted by petey
I really hope tuesday is the day. I have been hoping to become a new Mac user since WWDc, but I told myself to wait for the updates. My fingers are crossed.
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Originally posted by crees!
Right there with you skilly.

I am eagerly on this list too!!!!!

 

[plinkoman]

Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by joeyboy76
and the 12" Powerbook will become a 12"ibook with the G3 gobi processor.. and steve will rename it as G4.

omg, how many times does it have to be said, the 12" is not supposed to be a weaker machine, only a smaller one. they wouldn't upgrade the other powerbooks to a G5 without updating the 12" and since the 12 is the best selling since its introduction, it won't be dropped either. there WILL be a G5 12" powerbook, it's only a question of when.

 

[edgar_is_good]

Re: Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by MacIke
But... But.... But... I FEEL LIKE I AM RIGHT. Therefore I am right. You just do not understand my feelings on the issue. I feel therefore I am.

javascript:smilie('😀')

Yeah - and have you seen the heatsinks on the G5s? And 9 fans!

 

[xtekdiver]

Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by panphage
It ain't a G4 w/o Altivec and the Gobi don't got Altivec.




OH MY GOD. Many who say the G5 is impossible seem to have a HUGE problem with debate. How many vitriolic posts with personal insults have been flung in the Anti-G5 camp? Tons. How many have tried to post a factual argument why there can't be a G5? I remember one poster who cited a Motorolla PDF (that turned out to be full of "forward looking" statements and not actual shipping specs) as evidence that a 970 is a hot chip. Everyone else just says, "They're too hot." Even though it has been shown at least 100 times that the 970 @ 1.8GHz is only about 20% hotter than a 1.0GHz G4e that has been in powerbooks for a year.

Your other point has ALSO ALREADY been debunked AD NAUSEUM. Please read the posts in any of these threads. APPLE HAS A DEDICATED POWERBOOK DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM. There is NO REASON Apple could not have been researching and prototyping a 970-based Powerbook system ALL ALONG. EVER SINCE THEY WENT TO IBM WITH THE IDEA FOR 970 BASED SYSTEMS. Nothing would have stopped them from starting work on the portable at exactly the same time as work on the desktop. The desktop is easier, it came out first.

Added to all that is the recent revelation of bus slewing. Where would this be more use than in a notebook? Nowhere. Added to all that is the recent clarification from Ars Technica's interview with one of the 970 engineers that the system bus needn't be 1/2 the proc speed, it can be 1/4, 1/6, or even 1/8. If necessary, the system bus could have been engineered at any of these speeds to conserve battery power and reduce heat. Apple would just have to have picked the best performance/power ratio and built from there.

These are facts. This is logic. I have seen no fact-based, supported reasoning to the contrary. How are these cited facts "contrary to all reason"? How is this logic based on ACTUAL SPECIFICATIONS OF THE PARTS "highly flawed"? Please refute if you can, but use FACTS if you can, preferably facts that can be supported by citing published materials like these facts.

Amen brother!

 

[Phil Of Mac]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by edgar_is_good
Yeah - and have you seen the heatsinks on the G5s? And 9 fans!

I seriously hope you are joking, because otherwise you are being a total idiot 🙂

 

[locovaca]

Other reasons why the G5 Mactop is a no go...

I haven't had time to peruse the rest of this exponentially growing thread, so I don't know if anyone else has touched on this, but right now there isn't the memory technology to bring the G5 to a laptop, imho. The fastest SODIMMs you can buy are PC2700, so you can get a 667 mhz bus, which is only 2/3 of the 2.0 GHz bus. Now, that begs the question- how dependent are the G5's on bus speed? If they're as dependent as some of the benchmarks have hinted at, a G5 laptop may not perform any better than a G4 in non-optimized apps. For all we know Apple may be waiting for 400 MHz SODIMMs before making a G5 PB...

 

[plinkoman]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by edgar_is_good
Yeah - and have you seen the heatsinks on the G5s? And 9 fans!

omg, i can't beleive this has to be said yet again, did you watch the video about the intro of the G5? it's right here if you haven't. perhaps you will notice that which has been said a thousand times since, THE 9 FANS ARE TO COOL IT WHILE KEEPING IT QUIET! 1 fan would do, but it would be loud, and they wanted it quiet, so they put in 9 slow moving fans to do the job of 1 big one. good god

 

[edgar_is_good]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by plinkoman
omg, i can't beleive this has to be said yet again, did you watch the video about the intro of the G5? it's right here if you haven't. perhaps you will notice that which has been said a thousand times since, THE 9 FANS ARE TO COOL IT WHILE KEEPING IT QUIET! 1 fan would do, but it would be loud, and they wanted it quiet, so they put in 9 slow moving fans to do the job of 1 big one. good god

Note to self: irony in the presence of this crew will not, I repeat _not_ lead to throngs of admirers for your clever wit.

 

[ozlow]

price points

The price points must be for the 15" model. Why? Because, if it's for the 12" model, than those on the waiting list to get 12" would get bumped up to a better machine for the same price.

Does that make any sense? I don't think apple would do that, nor do I think they would ask the purchaser to add more to their order.

Maybe, the 12" isn't getting an update, or the update is so minor that it's not worth the mention.

-hmmm...

 

[Phil Of Mac]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 15 and 17" PBs updated Tuesday

Originally posted by edgar_is_good
Note to self: irony in the presence of this crew will not, I repeat _not_ lead to throngs of admirers for your clever wit.

I suspected you were joking 🙂

Clever, but it's hard to spoof people who are so stupid they spoof themselves. G4 Nazis fall into this category.

 

[Powerbook G5]

Sarcasm and irony are also to be avoided in the presence of your girlfriend...trust me, it is not pretty. 😉

 

[zync]

look....for the last time...heat is no issue...

I must first say that I'm in the middle on what processor is coming, even though Apple itself said not to expect it, yet I must set some things straight as others have to this point...

Now lets think here. A g5 laptop.. well here are my reasons why that wouldnt happen.
1. The major delays on the Desktop G5's.
2. Heat problems... 9 fans?
3. the G5 just came out.. needs some time to get the laptop models out with lower power..

First off I apologize if this has been said since this post, as well as a million times previous to it: Heat is a non-issue. First off, the PM G5 has cooling zones, so not all of the fans are for the processor itself. Also, it has been shown that the power consumption of the G5 is less than the previous generation of PPC G4 7455. Secondly, the lower power processors can be created from nearly any 970 chip as has also been previously stated. Delays on desktops have nothing to do with delays on laptops. Apple most assuredly has seperate R&D departments for laptops and desktops and is probably even more divided for each line of laptop or desktop. The delays in the PM G5 don't necessarily come from IBM's chip production.

Sorry, but if you're going to post at least try to stay current with the factal information presented in the thread.

😀