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Originally posted by depakote
If I got a G5 powerbook would it be possible to upgrade all the way up?
Probably not. There are very, very few CPU-upgradable laptops. Some of the (earlier) PowerBook G3s were, I think--probably the Lombards were the last (introduced in early 1999, I think). But Apple hasn't made a laptop with an upgradable CPU since, and although I try to stay out of the PC world I don't think there are too many PC laptops with upgradable processors either.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "all the way up", either. Even if the future G5 PB does have an upgradable CPU, I doubt you'll be able to upgrade it more than one or two generations (like more than a 60% increase in clock speed). At this point, no one knows if even the PMG5s will be upgradable, since the cooling systems may be calibrated for the stock CPUs--not to mention the heatsinks: I doubt a third-party would be able to exactly replicate those fancy Apple custom jobs.

WM
 
i ordered my powerbook 15" and they haven't shipped yet is this happening to everyone, i hope its not a 4 month wait like the G5's on orders. i hope theyd idn't just make enought to start the buyers
 
Why a P.C.

Originally posted by esheep2001
Yep. That is one of the pbooks saving graces but often that doesn't matter to the blinkered Intel/M$ buyer. All they see is speed (MHz) and cost. Style, OS, finish, ease of use are all things that are secondary unfortunately.



Same here, despite my whingeing! I would love a 15" 1.25 but as a second machine, not as my primary, mainly because I'm doing video/audio work for which I will have a G5. Unfortunately, a Centrino looks more attractive as a secondary machine as I don't need it to be fully loaded and I don't need all the bells and whistles but processor speed is an issue. But the main thing is that I can get one for less.

e.

If you keep backups of your files on a firewire drive and your G5 gives up on you how would you continue to work if you had a pc. You would have to buy different sets of software + the job you are working on may not run.

I have a G52G + powerbook 15 1.25 on order. As a working musician who buys the software that I use I could not work on 2 platforms.

1. cost
2. compatibility
3. who the F*** wants a PC any way Logic Audio is the best and so is the Mac.


KEEP LIFE EASY BUY 2 MAC'S
 
Road Apple

While the new 15" is a worthy machine I can't help thinking it isn't the real deal, in Low End Mac nomenclature a Road Apple (and yes I still own and am quite fond of a Color Classic, another Road Apple). If we had seen this machine six months ago it would have slotted right into the line-up. Today it just seems to be tired right out of the blocks. CPU isn't much more than the previous release, same screen as previous release. Yes, the new graphics card is highly regarded, but unless you have been hanging out for blue tooth, FW800, USB2, or <sarcasm>woohoo</sarcasm> the illuminated keyboard, there's just not a lot here.

Personally, I was planning to upgrade to get a larger hard drive, better airport reception, and a superdrive. I was hoping there might have been a sweetener like a higher res screen or a significant jump in CPU. I can live with my current airport reception and I can wait for a superdrive. So I've just ordered the 7200 rpm Hitachi 60GB and an external FW case for the existing drive. My year old TiBook will keep me happy until Apple releases a worthwhile upgrade.

The new 15" is an interim measure. How interim will depend on how quickly Apple can come to market with an alternative chipset. And I believe they will be pulling out the stops to make that happen very quickly - these new AlBooks just aren't going to cut it.

Apropos a previous post I made on a different thread - one day soon SJ and the entire PB engineering team will be standing on the lawn in front of Mot giving them the bird.

Dave
 
While some people think that this laptop would be good six months ago they fail to see that every aspect of the laptop that apple could improve they did. The only limiting factor is the cpu.

The graphics card is the newest 9600 which only 2 other pc laptops have so far. Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, FW and USB2 are all welcome on a laptop.
 
7200 RPM IBM/Hitachi

I ordered the 17"

My only problem with it is the HDD. I can't believe Apple didn't put the IBM/Hitachi 7K60 as an option. After I get my 17" Powerbook, I'm going to have to put the 7K60 drive in it. This drive is the only Laptop drive that's 7200 RPM and 8MB cache. Twice as fast as any of the 5400RPM drives.
 
While these arn't the G5's I wish they were, they are still good computers and Apple is in my opinion very competative to there compatition.

I know the G4 PowerBooks arn't the fastest compared to the Centrino Laptops but up here in Canada they are a least cheaper.

Here's a price comparison to a Dell that I would say is vary comparible in speed, features and software.

Apple---------------------------------------Dell
PowerBook 15.2" 1280x854-----------Insperon 8600 15.4" 1280x800
1.25GHz G4-------------------------------1.3 GHz P-M
512k L2-------------------------------------512k L2
167MHz Bus--------------------------------400MHz Bus
512 DDR333 1-SODIMM------------------512 DDR333 1-SODIMM
80GB HD------------------------------------80GB HD
2x DVD-R-----------------------------------4x DVD-R
ATI 9600 64MB----------------------------NVIDIA FX GO 5600 128MB
10/100/1000------------------------------10/100
56K------------------------------------------56K
Blue Tooth---------------------------------N/A
802.11g------------------------------------802.11g using the PCM CIA Card Slot
OSX-----------------------------------------XP Pro
iPhoto--------------------------------------Dell Picture Studio
iTunes--------------------------------------Dell Jukebox Plus
iMovie---------------------------------------?
iDVD-----------------------------------------?
QuickBooks--------------------------------Microsoft Works/Money

$3849.00----------------------------------$4178.00

While Dell says you can choose a 2X DVD-R and video and DVD software, when I was in the Build to Order section none of these features were available. So the dell may give you a faster Burner but it isn't giving the software to use it out of the box.

This is the Low end P-M 1.3 but performance and price are dead on in comparison and that being said the Mac is the better buy.
 
Re: G5 PB Timeframe

Originally posted by cbonz
Yeah, I know this is too soon...but how many more updates do you think the G4 PB will go through before the G5 takes over. I use my computer for video editing but I'm a college student so I need the most bang for my buck. I can probably last this school year if necessary, but no way could I beyond that. I would love a G5 PB but a G4 PB would be great, I just want it to last me at least a few years.

edit: is it worth getting the G4 now...or is it probable that there will be a G5 pb by next August?

I totally agree with you. I just think I'm going to get the 15" though. We'll never "really" know when they're going to release the G5 Powerbook. And if it's soon, I'll be really ticked off, but I'll be glad that I got what I got.
 
Originally posted by Ikash
i ordered my powerbook 15" and they haven't shipped yet is this happening to everyone, i hope its not a 4 month wait like the G5's on orders. i hope theyd idn't just make enought to start the buyers

My 15" also has not shipped yet, but there was a problem with my credit card the first day. It says shipping tomorrow. If it doesn't, I'll be more than pissed. keep me updated on yours and I'll do the same.
 
My First Mac

I just bought my first ever Mac. I woke up at 7:15am on Tuesday and had to take my hungover a$$ to the campus computer lab because guess what my PC internet was down. I got a 1.25 ghz 15" with everything except the superdrive(sorry no funds I'm going abroad) I also got a 20 gig Ipod. I have a few questions. First it says my shipping date for my PB is On or Before 9/23/03 is that true or is that a date to humor me? Second does anyone know when they are releasing the new iTrips for the iPod? Third I want a really really thin but protective case, sleeve(I know i can't have my cake and eat it too but I have to ask) so that I could fit it in a bookbag. Fourth is there anything I should know special while taking my book abroad, I'm doing semester at sea. Fifth when i get my ipod will it be bad for me to leave it in the charger all the time(leaving cell phones in chargers ruins some batteries). Sixth ?, does anyone have any suggestion on securing my pb other than the kinsington lock. Seventh are there any extras I should get for my pb like covers for the screen and keyboard or anything. I'm pumped to get my full size tower and 21" monzilla off my desk and begin playing with my new PB thanks in advance for any responses.
 
Re: My First Mac

Originally posted by macolicous
... I have a few questions.

1. I think the date is accurate.
2. Don't know
3. Don't know. Try this site
http://www.sjdesign.com/backoffice4.html
4. You will be using the PB on a boat? If so I suggest getting some kind of sealed bag with a desiccant for storing the PB when you are not using it. Salt air can be nasty. You might also want to investigate a power conditioner to prevent power spikes from entering your PB.
If you are going to Europe you will need adapters for the AC and telephone modem. In most of Asia the US style telephone jacks are usable. Japan uses US style AC two prong plugs. Korea, China, Singapore and Australia all use different adapters. I think Taiwan also uses two prong plugs but I my memory isn't clear. In many countries you can usually find a two prong power socket in the bathroom (for your electric shaver). Your PB adapter can work at any voltage up to 240VAC. You just need adapters to fit the hardware.
5. I believe most people leave their iPods plugged in all the time. I have done so for the past year and still get good battery performance.
6. If you can go to an Apple store ask them. There was a story recently that Apple found a replacement for the Kensington security cables that worked better for them.
7. For most usage you should not need a screen cover. Try looking at it from the side with the lid closed. You should be able to see a small gap between the keys and the screen. However, when the PB is placed in a bag or other luggage it might be compressed and then the keys might contact the screen. If you are fussy you can buy a nice protector. I just use a piece of blank paper that I lay on the keyboard before closing the lid. A nice touch would be to cut a piece of soft cloth (lens cleaning cloth?) and use that. Then you could use this cloth to wipe down the PB from time to time.

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Another thing to consider is a keyboard cover. You can find them here:
http://www.iskinprotect.com/products.html
These will keep the keyboard protected from skin oils and from accidental spills. I haven't used one before but I am considering it for the 15" Al PB I will soon get. I tend to rub off parts of the letters. after a year or so my keyboard looks more Cyrillic than English.

You should also consider insurance. I'm not qualified to give advice on this but it sounds like a good idea.

You should also register it someplace to give you some chance to recover it in case it is stolen. There is also a product I heard of that will "phone home" when it is stolen. This gives you a much higher chance of recovering the stolen item.

Congratulations. Hope you get many happy hours of use from your new PB.
 
One of my main concerns stopping me from upgrading to a 15" (1 or 1.25Ghz) is the speed of java apps. Like limewire, it take 15 bounces to start.

I develop java GUI apps. I couldnt take the time i had to wait for the app to launch. This is worse during development when you change stuff/recompile/and check. Currently i own the first generation of the iBooks (all white) 500Mhz.

Anybody who owns the new pbooks, can throw some light on how fast are they launching java apps. Why is it slow? is it because of the CPU? or GPU? or apples implementation of JAVA???
 
Re: Why a P.C.

Originally posted by Loopy
If you keep backups of your files on a firewire drive and your G5 gives up on you how would you continue to work if you had a pc. You would have to buy different sets of software + the job you are working on may not run.

DataViz MacOpener
I think you'd be suprised just how much software is cross platform.


I have a G52G + powerbook 15 1.25 on order. As a working musician who buys the software that I use I could not work on 2 platforms.

1. cost
2. compatibility
3. who the F*** wants a PC any way Logic Audio is the best and so is the Mac.


KEEP LIFE EASY BUY 2 MAC'S

:)

Let's not get into sequencer wars here. I do Video on the mac and Music on PC (mainly because of history rather than through choice).

My Seq of choice is Cubase SX which is cross platform. There is nothing on the Mac that comes even close to Cool Edit Pro for wav editing and that's the main reason for hanging on to a PC. The lack of Virtual PC on a G5 is a real blow as I was about to go Mac all the way :(

Max/MSP has now moved to PC. This was one of the main reasons for going Mac for me with music work BTW. Ableton Live is also cross platform and so I can continue live work on the PC should I choose and so there is less urgency to switch.

In an ideal world I would agree with you. But I have legacy PC stuff already in place so switching is not so easy and the cost is the final nail in the coffin. I'm sure I will in the future (hopefully not distant) but for now I have to stick with the PC :(

e.
 
Re: Re: Re: 12" Processor?

Originally posted by jettredmont
1)[...]This would indicate a fairly short life for these PowerBooks[...]
Exactly. This has been at the back of my mind since the update... There is another sign of that: the 15" screen dimensions. I know it's not much, but Apple has been standardizing the 16:10 aspect ratio across all the lines, yet they didn't change the resolution of the 15". It's not an availability problem, because we all know that 16:10 LCDs exist in a 15" size (just look at the Dell 8600) for a laptop. This would also indicate that Apple was reluctant to change the overall dimensions of the 15", which would have meant a redesign of the mobo... At this point, it looks like Apple ddidn't want to waste too many resources on this update, knowing perfectly well that a major redesign of the PB line is on its way in around 6 month time or so.

My £0.02.

PS: that being said, I still find those PB rather sexy.
 
Re: Re: Re: next update?

Originally posted by Stella
There hasn't been a PB rumour today, so I'm going to put that straight.

................

They are able to run a PB to run at 2.5gig, the heat generated is the same as the old 15", so this is fine. These new PB are on course for March 2004 release.

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Tests so far == 10 hours battery life, running on the G5 PB. So, I can get from Toronto to London using one of these PB on one battery

:-D

Stella, you're just perverse. How can you have all this info about the G5 PB but not a blip about the 7457 release two days ago?
 
Re: Benchmark: Centrino vs. PowerBook

Originally posted by jrinderle
But those benchmarks are hardly objective. No consideration is given to price. No specs. are given, etc. My suspicion is that the Centrino would have easily won all of the tests if it had a better graphics card. In any case, I am sure it costs far less than the PowerBook.
Most Centrino laptops use the Intel Extreme integrated graphics, which share system RAM with video RAM in order to cut costs. I'm sure that's why the video performance is so poor, especially when compared to the top of the line Radeon 9600.

Not exactly a fair comparison. I would love to see benchmarks comparing the new PowerBooks to a Dell Inspiron 8500 or 8600. That is a more fair comparison because the Inspiron has an Nvidia Geforce420Go graphics card in it so it shouldn't be crippled on the graphics tests.

But bottom line: these are sweet notebooks. I would much rather have the 15" 1.25 G4 over the Dell any day, just for pure battery life, weight, size, and aesthetic beauty. Performance isn't the only metric I use to make a purchasing decision.
 
Re: Re: Benchmark: Centrino vs. PowerBook

Originally posted by illumin8


But bottom line: these are sweet notebooks. I would much rather have the 15" 1.25 G4 over the Dell any day, just for pure battery life, weight, size, and aesthetic beauty. Performance isn't the only metric I use to make a purchasing decision.

I agree and that's why I purchased one.
 
New Powerbooks

Hello everyone I just recently purchased my first Powerbook and I was wondering if anyone had any good websites for powerbook accessories and iPods as well.
 
No PowerPC 7457

Checked out the new 15" at an Apple Retail Store yesterday

Cracked open Terminal and typed in this command: machine

What was the response:

ppc7450

not 7457, this sucks

No 7457
 
Re: No PowerPC 7457

Originally posted by motuman
Checked out the new 15" at an Apple Retail Store yesterday

Cracked open Terminal and typed in this command: machine

What was the response:

ppc7450

not 7457, this sucks

No 7457

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Bollocks. So it's either 1 of 2. Either what you got is utterly irrelevant, or you are just making it up. We are so way past that pseudo-information it's not even funny. Yeah right the new 15" uses 7450... Anyone care to comment on that?
 
Speed test; new 1ghz 12" pb vs old 1ghz 15" pb

Hi,

I'm trying to decide whether to keep my 15" G4 1ghz powerbook (Nov 2002 edition) or sell it to buy the new 1ghz 12".

When I bought my powerbook g4 1ghz 15" six months ago, I did so because the 12" version was under-specced for my needs (I wanted 1ghz at least, decent graphics capabilities, and DVI output). I'd have preferred the smaller size if all specs were equal, as I move the pb from place to place and prefer something more compact.

Now that the new 12" has been released, has anyone seen any benchmarks that compare the speeds of it against the old 1ghz 15"? And is the Geforce go5200 a better graphics chipset than the radeon 9000 mobility (aside from the fact it's 32mb instead of 64mb)?

I wish apple would treat all the powerbooks reasonably equally, and not assume that those who want smaller screens want smaller specs cpu/gfx wise.

thanks for any advice offered...
 
ipod special?

Do anyone asked apple about the ipod deal?

I ordered yesterday 1.25 15" and 10gb ipod, the shipping date for the 1.25 is 23(delayed this mornig) and the shipping date for ipod is october first.

So i dont think i will have the ipod before sept 27.

Will it be possible to get the rebate?
thx
 
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