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New PowerMacs and 20" LCD

The wait is finally over!!!

Thank God, now I can get my powermac,Ive been waiting for this day way before christmas, I might go for the 1Ghz and add a superdrive or something. I still like the enclosure, I dont know how you cold change it anyway, its brilliant, wonder if they will still be noisy though,does anyone know the prices the lineup are in UK sterling, i've tried to go on the apple store and it asid come back in an hour.
 
Re: Re: Re: This is just becoming a joke...

Originally posted by maehara
PC's are just as bad, if not worse... If you're always worried about your machine - PC or Mac - being upgraded just down the line you'll never buy anything.

Relax & enjoy the machine you've got. It's still a better spec than the new entry-level PowerMac.

Originally posted by jamilecrire
Or better yet just keep up with the rumor sites and you'll have a decent picture of what is coming. Duhhhhhh....
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...which is why I'm putting up with this PC for a while longer. They've gotta update the iMac's eventually...!

Besides, I'm still a newbie 'round here, so I didn't want to be *too* harsh on the guy...
 
Re: Re: This is just becoming a joke...

Originally posted by arn


not to kick you when you're down... cause I understand the frustration... but PowerMacs have been updated every 6 months for the past 2-3 years. We're coming on the 6th month.

I'm sorry that you weren't aware of that... and I suppose I should make that clearer on th site.

arn
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A counter of some sort that ticks off months and days for each model since the last upgrade would be interesting, and a quick reference for the uninitiated.

I think making that information clearer in the site in some way is a great idea Arn.
 
drastik stumbles into work, makes coffee while the dreaded NT workstation boots up. First order of bus9iness, is there a war yet? Second, go on over to Macrumors...

..Holy ****ing...

1.42!!!!! 20"!!!!!

I'm completely stoked. A wonderfull surprise from Apple.:D
 
Objective-C

Learning Objective-C with Cocoa by O'Reily is a pretty good step by step intro to Objective C and the latest development tools from Apple with step by step walkthrough.
 
Originally posted by iJon
no bluetooth either, not that i really care but i thought they would throw it on the mobo, oh well 50 for a module isnt that bad but it takes up from the very few usb ports we had in the first place.

iJon
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Well, they are Bluetooth ready... (does that mean it uses a USB port?)
 
Single CPU low end PowerMac

The low end PowerMac loses its good value now that it sports a single CPU. Perhaps all the other 1 GHz CPUs are going in the new iMacs & eMacs.
 
I couldn't remember, were the sysstem busses in the old 1.25's always at 167? I saw that on the specs page and couldn't remember.

Regards,
Gus
 
"year of the laptop"

All of you scoffing at SJ's "year of the laptop" quote...

Just imagine if it reallly IS YOtL. Who knows what's in store.

The price drop alone on these machines is such a nice move. You can still get a decent entry level PC for less but not much. That's the greatest part to me. Switchers who don't want an iMac only have to shell out 1500 clams. Beauty.
 
Blown....

Seeing the Apple web site this morning almost knocked me over, was not quite expecting this today. Wow!

That said, i have been waiting to buy PMs for my office, which is at a university. Now I can, and I was even more blown away by the edu pricing! Check this out:

retail edu individual edu school
PM 1G $1,499 $1,449 $1,299
PM 1.25G $1,999 $1,899 $1,799
PM 1.42G $2,699 $2,549 $2,399

17" LCD $699 $649 $599
20" LCD $1,299 $1,249 $1,169
23" LCD $1,999 $1,899 $1,799

Holy *%$@ Batman! If one can buy edu prices, more power to ya! I may get to get the 23" displays for the office!!! Life is good.

This, IMHO, is a full front offensive to get people to buy Apple. Period. These prices are really competative, especially the displays, way cheaper for the 20" and 23" than anyone else, no one is close. And when is the last time the mid rnage PM was below $2000? At least 1998, when we had the PM G3 beige and the 266 DT was $1999.

This is huge!
 
Blue tooth as an option makes some sense. It comes standard on the powerbooks besause a bluetooth module will stick out and get broken. Also, a laptop is mobile, so not having tobe tied by cords at all ala blue tooth, makes sense. The powermac, however, isn't meant to be moved around all the time. its tied to a physical location, pretty much, and bound to a power cord anyway, as well as monitor cord, key board, etc. If you want to clear most of those cabels away, you can get the adapter, but most people don't need it. Apple is obviously trying to break down the price barier a bit, and everything helps. Bluetooth is for mobile pros, really, but you can use it on a stationary computer, anyway. Personaly, I don't have a need yet. I use airport to share my printers, and I don't even have a base station, just two cards.
 
Anybody notice this tag? It's on the PowerMac page. Does this mean that the new systems come with ONLY 10.2 unless you buy a machine in this link?

Regards,
Gus
 

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Originally posted by iJon
no bluetooth either, not that i really care but i thought they would throw it on the mobo, oh well 50 for a module isnt that bad but it takes up from the very few usb ports we had in the first place.
iJon
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If I read the specifications correctly, Bluetooth is an internal option on the new Powermacs, so it seems like it wouldn't use a USB slot. If you look at the PowerMac G4 Data Sheet pdf at the Built To Order section on the second page it say "built in Blue Tooth module".

I too hope it's an internal option. Maybe their thought was: "You are at home, you can use the cradle for the product to sync it up." which would explain why it was an option.
 
these upgrades a great and should hold off till a new chip...the 9700 vid card is a pleasant surprise for sure...seems like everything was upgrade a little...plus all the peripheral upgrades...

but after hearing everyone's posts i read a lot of, thats really cool, can't wait till 970 comes out or that looks really cool but i can't buy it. well i hope somebody does!!!

at least almost everyone wants to jump in line for one of those displays...i know i would if i didn't have an ibook...
 
Reason for No dual 1GZ

"Should Apple reduce its price on any shipped product within 10 calendar days of
shipment, you may contact Apple Sales Support at 1-800-676-2775 to request a
refund or credit of the difference between the price you were charged and the
current selling price. To receive the refund or credit you must contact Apple within 14 business days of shipment."

They didn't drop the price on any existing product, they changed them completely.

However if you JUST ordered a cinema display, GET YOUR $1500 BACK in a hurry.
 
Executive Summary: Price, Price, Price

Originally posted by Trekkie
Screw the new PowerMac. Did you see that price on the 23" HD Display? $1999????

Holy Cow!

I've been lusting after the PM / 23" Display, and I just built a config on Apple and it's only $4000 now instead of $7000! That's with the 1.42 GHZ model.

Wow. Great price drop. Wonder if all the press about 'Yeah, GHz doesn't matter, but when it's 3 to 1 it does' helped with that.

Now, when the ATI 9700 is available for order, I may just go for it.
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The release may have been anticipated and the specs fairly well estimated, but, surprise!

Price, price, price.

A super low end price CPU with full access to BTO. Great. HUGE price reductions on displays making Apple not only competitive but on the leading edge of retail store offerings.

Looks like the "year of the laptop" is morphing into the year of the display and fast I/O.

Rocketman.

What's next, faster processors? :)
 
Such a smart move from Apple... They are on the right track with pro consumers and I bet you that more and more studio are gonna order this amazing 23" screens!!!...

Guys has anyone any idea How Apple carry their tests? The Apple web site says "1.42 DP is 32% faster than 3Ghz PC"... Where do they get their numbers?

Michel
 
I wouldn't be so upset

If you bought a dual 1GHz for $1600, you got an arguably better deal than what's available now. Going by education prices, the dual 1.25 runs $1900.

If I want 333 DDR RAM, I now have to spend $1900.

You got a good deal on a good Mac. The only thing missing from yours is the Airport Extreme (how many of us actually need 54Mbps over 11, eh?) and FireWire 800 (again, 400 is enough for most of us).

Be happy!

You don't think all the people that are buying a G4 dual 1.42 are going to be depressed when the IBM G5 hits the market?

Think of it this way -- you can get a new 3+GHz dual G5 machine in two years, and 250 or 420MHz is going to mean jack squat. You have a machine that is faster than it needs to be 95% of the time.
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I have to say though, that the LCD displays just keep getting to be better and better every six months. I can get a 23" HD for $1899, and yesterday would have spent $3500.
 
when browsing the Apple Store, I noticed that now you can't get a SCSI harddrive, they are all ATA. Is that a difference between OS X and OS 9? The old ones you could get SCSI.
 
little miffed

i've been buying macs for awhile now, but i must say that this time i'm a little miffed at apple. I just got the new 1ghz SD Ti in december, and i was thinking, oh, i should get the 22in now since i can save $400. my thinking being that they were going to release a 19-20in at the 2000-2100 price range. Now i'm like, ****e!!! must say i'm a little miffed:( :mad:

i still love my pb though, even though i'm a designer, i can't see the use (for me) in the 17in gargantuan bastard!!!

the screens anger me a bit.

it's funny even though you know the nature of the beast when buying apple, you still realize they need some kind of price drop rebate or something... oh, well

i would sell my 22in and get the 23.... but with the price on that 20in, who's gonna buy mine???!!!

with my bitches bitched, i will say this is a wonderful move for apple, and i'm looking forward to the year ahead!! maybe when i get my 970 powermac end-of-year, i'll get the 23in.

thanks for listening to the rant,
technocoy:eek:
 
Some observations

The OS9 1.25 costs 2499, $500 more than the new one but with superdrive, 2MB L3.

USB ports now up to 4, but only 1 FW 800.

The $1499 low end price is great, but the DP867 was probably their best seller in the old tower lineup. This takes away the incentive for developers to DP optimize their software. Why not a DP 933. Keep a DP at the low end!

Price drops are quite large all around, but the 17" should be $499 and should be much brighter. A new monitor case design couldn't hurt.

1.42 is almost 42% faster than a year ago. Not bad, but off course, still not at the pace of the wintel world. We have to grow n speed faster than they do to ever catch up. This actually puts us further behind that a year ago. Still, it's a bigger gain that in the previous year which jumped from 733 to 1GHz.

overall, not bad speed bumps and the price cuts for a really high end user are amazing. A top end tower plus 23" display costs 2 grand less than yesterday!

The new 20" is great, and I want one, but $1300 is too much for me, although I think it's currently competetive with others, in 6 months it will probably still cost 1300 while other 20" models sink below 800, although without the widescreen aspect ratio.
 
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