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...and now they offer true BTO options....
RAM, HD, Monitors, Bluetooth, BOTH optical drives (bays), Graphics, Second Monitor, Modem...
I can smell a bit Dell in here
RAM, HD, Monitors, Bluetooth, BOTH optical drives (bays), Graphics, Second Monitor, Modem...
I can smell a bit Dell in here
GREAT!! Apple has made a very bold and positive decision. These upgrades should help keep those complaining about the pro line a little more pleased.
But I am wondering, all those posters who are saying "YEAH!!", will they buy anything? It seems that half the posters here are always waiting for the next best thing and are all happy when it arrives, then a month later start complaining things aren't to their liking, and want yet another next best thing. Do these people have loads of cash to keep buying new stuff, and are these the same people who will wait for the 970, or do they not buy stuff at all but wish Apple had the best stuff on the planet anyway?
Also, there will always be those who say...oh ****! I just bought X and Y and now they have X-1 and Y-1 and much cheaper. Well, all computer companies do this - revise model specs and drop prices...it is the nature of the beast - technology. I would be pissed too, but we have to deal with it or forever wait and not buy anything.
Anyway, well done Apple, I hope we will see a very positive upward trend in sales over the next few months. (and sorry for the negativity in the above coupla' paragraphs)
But I am wondering, all those posters who are saying "YEAH!!", will they buy anything? It seems that half the posters here are always waiting for the next best thing and are all happy when it arrives, then a month later start complaining things aren't to their liking, and want yet another next best thing. Do these people have loads of cash to keep buying new stuff, and are these the same people who will wait for the 970, or do they not buy stuff at all but wish Apple had the best stuff on the planet anyway?
Also, there will always be those who say...oh ****! I just bought X and Y and now they have X-1 and Y-1 and much cheaper. Well, all computer companies do this - revise model specs and drop prices...it is the nature of the beast - technology. I would be pissed too, but we have to deal with it or forever wait and not buy anything.
Anyway, well done Apple, I hope we will see a very positive upward trend in sales over the next few months. (and sorry for the negativity in the above coupla' paragraphs)
What now...
So with all the excitement with the new PowerMacs and the new Laptops...will we see new iMac/eMacs in the next few weeks? months? The iMac/eMac lines seem pretty old and outdated now I don't see how they can keep selling them with only an 800Mhz processor when almost every other product minus the iBook is running at 1Ghz or more...
So with all the excitement with the new PowerMacs and the new Laptops...will we see new iMac/eMacs in the next few weeks? months? The iMac/eMac lines seem pretty old and outdated now I don't see how they can keep selling them with only an 800Mhz processor when almost every other product minus the iBook is running at 1Ghz or more...
You're crazy, there's no way it should be that cheap.
OMG, I'm still swalloing these price cuts. I'm in shock. I mean..in shock. I have the cinema display and I paid $2500 for it. Now the 23" HD is what, $400 less then mine and it's brand new? The 20" is $1699 while Apple's nearest competitor is Formac and thier 20" is $1700? Wow, Apple is finally getting it. I'm just in so much shock and disbelief.
I'm also saddened by the notion that I won't be getting as much for my 22" cinema disaplay on ebay now either.
someday.... oh someday... i'm gonna order the powermac configured with EVERYTHING:
hm. should i get a car or a mac?
hm. should i get a car or a mac?
Here's the UK prices with the standard US Dollar overcharge in brackets (taking into account V.A.T.)
Powermac Prices
fast £1,149 ($ +97.77)
faster £1,599 ($ +223.13)
fastest £2,099 ($ +217.98)
ultimate £2,949.11 ($ +299.38) Daylight robbery
Monitor Prices
17" £5,49 ($ -36.05) The US are paying more than the UK for a change!
20" £1,099 ($ +228.28)
23" £1,699 ($ +362.10) ouch!
I think I'm going to have to add "Mac's Rule - Apple SUCKS!" to my sig if this overcharging doesn't stop.
Anyone noticed how the rumour about them offering a dual 1.25Ghz model with OS 9 booting is true ? That's the biggest insult of all, they overcharge EVERYONE for that by at least $300 taking into account the superdrive. It does have a 2Mb L3 unlike the new 1.25GHz model but it's certainly not worth the extra money they're charging for it.
If you go to the powermac page and click on buy now the page comes up with the button on the right with OS9. The option there as compared to the new system is like this:
OS9 Boot version
$2,499.00
Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
120GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported
(more L3, more RAM, OS9, more HD)
FW800, modem not listed.
OSX boot version
$1,999.00
Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache/processor
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
64MB DDR video memory
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Bluetooth Ready
Not a bad deal since the added price includes L3, RAM and HD capacity added.
Alot of these machines are sold to customers of VAR's with software that is OS9.
Rocketman
Steve promised CRT's were dead. Hence the eMac.
Steve promised OS9 was dead. Hence this machine.
lol, Moxie..but you really should get Applecare on that system.
I'm a proud owner of a Dual MDD 1Ghz... I bought it in early Sept - and still couldn't be happier... it's the nature of the game to be left by the side just a few months after you get it.
Just have to cherrish the months we've had together before there were any other options.
Just out of curiousity... I wonder if these new systems will have the same problems as the 1st line of MDD's... loud fan and audio issues. Guess we'll have to wait on the reports when they're shipped.
I'm a proud owner of a Dual MDD 1Ghz... I bought it in early Sept - and still couldn't be happier... it's the nature of the game to be left by the side just a few months after you get it.
Just have to cherrish the months we've had together before there were any other options.
Just out of curiousity... I wonder if these new systems will have the same problems as the 1st line of MDD's... loud fan and audio issues. Guess we'll have to wait on the reports when they're shipped.
Well, I am exited about them. If anyone would like a great price on one just drop me an email or a PM.
Oh, and sorry, but isn't Apples prices in Britain and overseas higher because of Tarriff's that your countries place on Apple
Oh, and sorry, but isn't Apples prices in Britain and overseas higher because of Tarriff's that your countries place on Apple
Wow. These continual price drops give me high hopes for the iMac/eMac updates. I say do more or less the same as for the PowerMacs: $200 price drop (esp. important on the low-end model), and add new features like FW 800, Airport Extreme, and Bluetooth, plus a slight speed bump.
I'm really happy there's a $1500 PowerMac. This gives me some hope that my next desktop purchase will be a 970-equipped PowerMac for $1500 or less.
I'm really happy there's a $1500 PowerMac. This gives me some hope that my next desktop purchase will be a 970-equipped PowerMac for $1500 or less.
Originally posted by barkmonster
Here's the UK prices with the standard US Dollar overcharge in brackets (taking into account V.A.T.)
Powermac Prices
fast £1,149 ($ +97.77)
faster £1,599 ($ +223.13)
fastest £2,099 ($ +217.98)
ultimate £2,949.11 ($ +299.38) Daylight robbery
Monitor Prices
17" £5,49 ($ -36.05) The US are paying more than the UK for a change!
20" £1,099 ($ +228.28)
23" £1,699 ($ +362.10) ouch!
I think I'm going to have to add "Mac's Rule - Apple SUCKS!" to my sig if this overcharging doesn't stop.
Anyone noticed how the rumour about them offering a dual 1.25Ghz model with OS 9 booting is true ? That's the biggest insult of all, they overcharge EVERYONE for that by at least $300 taking into account the superdrive. It does have a 2Mb L3 unlike the new 1.25GHz model but it's certainly not worth the extra money they're charging for it.
Ever noticed how much VAT Tony charges???!? 17.5% is ridiculous, compared to what, 16% in Germany, 13 or so in Holland, and 12% in the US (I might be wrong though on the US part, I'm from the UK).
So don't blame it on Apple, it's what Governments call "Domestic Market Protection". Import taxes, VAT, Export taxes... take any tax you want.
BTW, ever compared UK beer prices to beer prices in Germany?? (Don't forget to call the ambulance first!)
The price breaks on the displays are amazing!
The drops on the PMacs are just necessary, if anyone is going to buy them. I wouldn't expect the 970s to be so affordable. People will be willing to pay whatever Apple wants for those...
The drops on the PMacs are just necessary, if anyone is going to buy them. I wouldn't expect the 970s to be so affordable. People will be willing to pay whatever Apple wants for those...
[Our hero wakes up sick and dejected about another day a f'in work. Brings up NetNewsWire and starts trolling the news sites. Notices with pleasure that MacRumors has a story. Checks it]
OMFG!
[Coffee shoots through nose]
Apple is competing on... *PRICE*?!?!
[Turns on Weather Channel to see temperatures in Hell]
OMFG!
[Coffee shoots through nose]
Apple is competing on... *PRICE*?!?!
[Turns on Weather Channel to see temperatures in Hell]
The question is how many more weeks or months do we have to wait for them? Two weeks? A month? 3 months? any one have any clue when we might see new i/e Macs?
Sorry, but how much L3 cache was there on the previous Dual 1.25Ghz model? And how much did the 1.25 model actually change, other than the addition of FW800? I certainly hope that they didn't make this model worse than it was before in order to lower the price.
And with all of you rejoicing over the 1.42 Ghz, how much of a performance boost is this minor 170 Mhz speed bump going to improve performance? I mean, the new displays and price drop are obviously great, and I'm glad they dropped the price of the PowerMac (they were dropped, right?), but the introduction of a single 1Mhz processor to the "PRO" line doesn't make much sense to me, and the speed bumps don't seem like such a big deal for all those people looking at their newly bought Dual 1.25Ghz models and thinking, "Damn, if I only waited....." For the PowerMac, I think the good thing about this update is the price drop, but that's really it.
That would be an interesting poll to take, but I doubt it would get a meaningful result.
I was waiting for a combination of this update being announced and a drop in the price of the LCD screens. I got a slightly smaller speed dump than I was hoping for, but got a much bigger than expected price drop on the 23" LCD. That combined with the price drops on the PowerMacs was very welcome. Roughly a 25% savings on what I ordered compared to what I would have paid last week for a [slightly] slower machine with lower capacity drives.
Unfortunatly it is a 4-6 week wait for what I ordered.
Re: This is just becoming a joke...
You must not follow macrumors to close otherwise you would have waited for the regular product cycles! this happened to me too, once with my 333 imac and then they went to an all new 350 and to my wifes 500 where a month later they came out with the emac!
New Powermacs equivalent to 2.8 GHz P4s!
The 170 MHz increase in speed is for each processor. This means a 340 MHz total CPU increase on dual processor systems. That can come in very handy when multiprocessing and doing CPU intensive tasks.
Many benchmarks, including Photoshop benchmarks are not limited by the memory bandwidth. They are strictly limited by the CPU speed (e.g. look at Barefeets.com's benchmarks) Thus DDR memory is a minor issue. The faster CPUs will be a great improvement over the Dual 1 GHz G4s I bought last year.
The 170 MHz increase in speed is for each processor. This means a 340 MHz total CPU increase on dual processor systems. That can come in very handy when multiprocessing and doing CPU intensive tasks.
Many benchmarks, including Photoshop benchmarks are not limited by the memory bandwidth. They are strictly limited by the CPU speed (e.g. look at Barefeets.com's benchmarks) Thus DDR memory is a minor issue. The faster CPUs will be a great improvement over the Dual 1 GHz G4s I bought last year.