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So we have here
1.4GB/s for the system bus
2.7GB/s for the DDR SDRAM
What I want to know is this: Apple says on the site something about the system controller routes some information through the controller vs. taking up bandwidth on the system bus. So doesn't this mean we should perhaps be able to still saturate the 2.7GB/s of memory bandwidth since some information will be coming through the system bus and some from elsewhere??
I am pretty confused about all this.. it's hard to get some hard facts vs. speculation... Who can end the madness!!!???
1.4GB/s for the system bus
2.7GB/s for the DDR SDRAM
What I want to know is this: Apple says on the site something about the system controller routes some information through the controller vs. taking up bandwidth on the system bus. So doesn't this mean we should perhaps be able to still saturate the 2.7GB/s of memory bandwidth since some information will be coming through the system bus and some from elsewhere??
I am pretty confused about all this.. it's hard to get some hard facts vs. speculation... Who can end the madness!!!???
Here is the quote from /architecture
"The resulting throughput between main memory and the system controller is up to 2.7GBps, more than double the throughput from the previous dual 1GHz Power Mac G4. DDR-SDRAM also increases systemwide memory bandwidth to the processors and all other elements of the system. At the same time, direct memory access allows system elements, such as a hard drive controller or a graphics processing unit, to send and receive data directly from main memory, without going through the processors. The added bandwidth allows system elements to function independently at high data rates, boosting total system performance."
"The resulting throughput between main memory and the system controller is up to 2.7GBps, more than double the throughput from the previous dual 1GHz Power Mac G4. DDR-SDRAM also increases systemwide memory bandwidth to the processors and all other elements of the system. At the same time, direct memory access allows system elements, such as a hard drive controller or a graphics processing unit, to send and receive data directly from main memory, without going through the processors. The added bandwidth allows system elements to function independently at high data rates, boosting total system performance."
I use Win2K all the time... just pointing out the fact that the price quote included XP Home so the costs should reflect the upgrade price to XP Professional or purchase of Windows 2000 Professional...
Cheers.
Cheers.
Re: Re: What's the Big Deal?
OMG, that would make a great .sig. LMFAO!!
Originally posted by G4scott
*NIX for development,
Palm for portability,
Mac for productivity, and
Windows for solitaire...
OMG, that would make a great .sig. LMFAO!!
This thread make me feel sick to my stomach...
Anyway, i think those enclosures look amazing, i dont understand what you guys are griping about here, beautiful, beautiful hardcore military style enclosures...they are great.
Though all of your winging made me feel better about my QS 867
Anyway, while i was not blown away( the "Ultimate" in Canada is like 7.5 grand...kekekekekekekeke) I still think the new machines look alot more powerful and aggresive...something Apple needed.
Anyway, i think those enclosures look amazing, i dont understand what you guys are griping about here, beautiful, beautiful hardcore military style enclosures...they are great.
Though all of your winging made me feel better about my QS 867
Anyway, while i was not blown away( the "Ultimate" in Canada is like 7.5 grand...kekekekekekekeke) I still think the new machines look alot more powerful and aggresive...something Apple needed.
Continuing the metaphor...
It's as if the only standard to measure car performance was the cubic inches of the engine, ignoring such little things as gear ratios, torque, handling, compression, etc, etc.
The "I can build a peecee for under for $100 out of baling twine and duct tape that will outdo the fastest Mac around" types probably would also drop a monsterous engine inside of a rusted '78 Cordoba. Sure, you've got horsepower, and it was cheap, but good luck getting it to run consistently well, and you're still stuck with a lousy experience driving it.
Mac users understand it takes more than just raw horsepower to make a great machine. The comparisons to Mercedes and BMW are appropriate. A Mac costs more at first, but in the long run, they're cheaper, and we get SO much in return for our $$, from stability to ease of use to killer exclusive apps.
Dell users? They're the ones with 1979 Firebirds with the 6-cylinder engine and automatic transmission. They believe they're got a good car, and the rest of us are just too ashamed to be seen with them or tell them otherwise.
It's as if the only standard to measure car performance was the cubic inches of the engine, ignoring such little things as gear ratios, torque, handling, compression, etc, etc.
The "I can build a peecee for under for $100 out of baling twine and duct tape that will outdo the fastest Mac around" types probably would also drop a monsterous engine inside of a rusted '78 Cordoba. Sure, you've got horsepower, and it was cheap, but good luck getting it to run consistently well, and you're still stuck with a lousy experience driving it.
Mac users understand it takes more than just raw horsepower to make a great machine. The comparisons to Mercedes and BMW are appropriate. A Mac costs more at first, but in the long run, they're cheaper, and we get SO much in return for our $$, from stability to ease of use to killer exclusive apps.
Dell users? They're the ones with 1979 Firebirds with the 6-cylinder engine and automatic transmission. They believe they're got a good car, and the rest of us are just too ashamed to be seen with them or tell them otherwise.
Bought the Dual Ghz!!!!!!!
I just want to say, to break up the ridiculous, constant, abysmally dull whining about why Apple's aren't PC's.......
I am excited about the new machines. Very much so. Everything I've bought from Apple in the G4 range has met my needs and then some. They rock!!! And every machine I've bought has been more rock solid and kick ass than the last.
I was going to buy the non DDR 1GHz for $2,900 before today. But I have to say I'm entirely pleased I was able to buy a new Dual 1GHz G4 today with all sorts of under the hood tweaks for $2,560. With a DDR RAM upgrade to boot.
My music apps (Logic, Pro Tools, Softsynths) ripped on my Dual 533 so I expect great things from my new 1GHz, as I KNOW Apple always delivers me products I LOVE that are great tools to boost my productivity.
People can sit here and wait for MacWorld to come with ridiculous PC expectations and then complain that Apple is not delivering.....PC's. Then fold there arms in a huff and wait another 10 months for some mighty super machine to come that in THEIR eyes may not. And the cycle continues.....
The rest of us will be flying on our fast, innovative, and VERY productive G4's.
Furthermore all of the PC comparisons and benchmarks make no sense to me. It makes me think these people (not all) must not love Apple machines. So why be here? In MacRumors.com? When you're clearly looking for new crappy PC's?
There is a reason Apple has such a devotional fan base. Please just ease up on the negativity, on a site that is obviously built in the love of the unique Mac platform. I remember back when Apple seemed to be in serious danger of collapsing. So I must say I'm rocked off my feet to be sitting here today years later, with my new kick ass G4 on the way (here Friday) to rip through Reason 2 OSX, Ableton Live OSX, Logic 5, and Pro Tools (soon to be OSX native). Can't wait!!!!
Cheers
I just want to say, to break up the ridiculous, constant, abysmally dull whining about why Apple's aren't PC's.......
I am excited about the new machines. Very much so. Everything I've bought from Apple in the G4 range has met my needs and then some. They rock!!! And every machine I've bought has been more rock solid and kick ass than the last.
I was going to buy the non DDR 1GHz for $2,900 before today. But I have to say I'm entirely pleased I was able to buy a new Dual 1GHz G4 today with all sorts of under the hood tweaks for $2,560. With a DDR RAM upgrade to boot.
My music apps (Logic, Pro Tools, Softsynths) ripped on my Dual 533 so I expect great things from my new 1GHz, as I KNOW Apple always delivers me products I LOVE that are great tools to boost my productivity.
People can sit here and wait for MacWorld to come with ridiculous PC expectations and then complain that Apple is not delivering.....PC's. Then fold there arms in a huff and wait another 10 months for some mighty super machine to come that in THEIR eyes may not. And the cycle continues.....
The rest of us will be flying on our fast, innovative, and VERY productive G4's.
Furthermore all of the PC comparisons and benchmarks make no sense to me. It makes me think these people (not all) must not love Apple machines. So why be here? In MacRumors.com? When you're clearly looking for new crappy PC's?
There is a reason Apple has such a devotional fan base. Please just ease up on the negativity, on a site that is obviously built in the love of the unique Mac platform. I remember back when Apple seemed to be in serious danger of collapsing. So I must say I'm rocked off my feet to be sitting here today years later, with my new kick ass G4 on the way (here Friday) to rip through Reason 2 OSX, Ableton Live OSX, Logic 5, and Pro Tools (soon to be OSX native). Can't wait!!!!
Cheers
Right on !!!!
Right on Hawthorne!!!!!
Yeah.....and you don't see a www.DellRumors.com either. Wonder why??
I forgot to mention, I think the case looks DOPE!!!
Right on Hawthorne!!!!!
Yeah.....and you don't see a www.DellRumors.com either. Wonder why??
I forgot to mention, I think the case looks DOPE!!!
DVI to VGA adapter for sale...
If anybody would like to buy a DVI to VGA adapter, I'll sell it to you for $19 plus shipping (exact amount, via your choice of carrier), no tax. E-mail me for more info at blufiresw@aol.com. The reason for this is that I didn't realize the new G4s come with the DVI to VGA adapter, so I bought one with the order... silly me And, er, if I'm breaking some rule by posting this message, please let me know.. I'm not sure, so I guess I'll find out soon
If anybody would like to buy a DVI to VGA adapter, I'll sell it to you for $19 plus shipping (exact amount, via your choice of carrier), no tax. E-mail me for more info at blufiresw@aol.com. The reason for this is that I didn't realize the new G4s come with the DVI to VGA adapter, so I bought one with the order... silly me
And, er, if I'm breaking some rule by posting this message, please let me know.. I'm not sure, so I guess I'll find out soon No Fan in the PowerMac
One thing that everyone seems to be overlooking is that the PowerMac has a larger heatsink and NO FAN! There were a bunch of people complaining on the message boards about how loud this new PowerMac was going to be...and then Apple releases it with no fan. I love Apple, and I hate how pessimistic a lot of rumormongers are.
One thing that everyone seems to be overlooking is that the PowerMac has a larger heatsink and NO FAN! There were a bunch of people complaining on the message boards about how loud this new PowerMac was going to be...and then Apple releases it with no fan. I love Apple, and I hate how pessimistic a lot of rumormongers are.
is it just me or does no one on any board or store know how to put 5.1 surrounds sound on a mac?
i'm gonna have 3 towers soon, and one of them is in my front room, and i could really use the surround sound...not to mention it's why about 20 people in my dorms are refusing to switch, everything else they love, but they have their 5.1 speaker system and these computers are our entertainment centers when we're int eh dorms...most will consider PowerBooks (they love mine, even though it's a 400 Ti) in september, but most want towers cause they already have PeeC notebooks...i could really really use some help here, ause i want to buy a tower, but won't bother if i can't get surround sound...
and yes OS X 10.1 is what gave 5.1 support...
i'm gonna have 3 towers soon, and one of them is in my front room, and i could really use the surround sound...not to mention it's why about 20 people in my dorms are refusing to switch, everything else they love, but they have their 5.1 speaker system and these computers are our entertainment centers when we're int eh dorms...most will consider PowerBooks (they love mine, even though it's a 400 Ti) in september, but most want towers cause they already have PeeC notebooks...i could really really use some help here, ause i want to buy a tower, but won't bother if i can't get surround sound...
and yes OS X 10.1 is what gave 5.1 support...
New towers appear to have two fans...
one next to the motherboard in the fold-down lid and one LARGE one vertically in line with the heatsink when the lid is closed. Go to
http://www.apple.com/hardware/gallery/pmg4_august2002_480.html
one next to the motherboard in the fold-down lid and one LARGE one vertically in line with the heatsink when the lid is closed. Go to
http://www.apple.com/hardware/gallery/pmg4_august2002_480.html
WHAT A DIRTY JOKE!!!
I CAN'T BELIEVE APPLE EXPECTS TO MAKE IT WITH THIS CRAP!!
LET'S SEE... DDR?... YES!!... WILL IT WORK??... NO! NO! NO! LEVAE IT TO APPLE TO OFFER MACHINES THAT CAN'T EVEN MAKE USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY INSIDE!!!!!
ANOTHER WASTED EFFORT, MISTER JOBS!!!!!!!!
I CAN'T BELIEVE APPLE EXPECTS TO MAKE IT WITH THIS CRAP!!
LET'S SEE... DDR?... YES!!... WILL IT WORK??... NO! NO! NO! LEVAE IT TO APPLE TO OFFER MACHINES THAT CAN'T EVEN MAKE USE OF THE TECHNOLOGY INSIDE!!!!!
ANOTHER WASTED EFFORT, MISTER JOBS!!!!!!!!
Give it a break and figure it out!
On a PC EVERYTHING goes through the system bus.. NOT SO on a Powermac.. Each thing has it's own dedicated bus to keep from hogging the main system bus.
check out the article on zdnet...
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-949574.html
"But Joswiak defended what apparently is a small increase in the system bus.
'Our architecture is tough to compare to a PC bus, because we don't run everything off the same bus the way a PC does,' he said. 'A PC may have a 533MHz bus, but it's putting everything through that bus--whereas, we put everything on its own dedicated bus.'"
I dont' think anyone can argue iwth the video encoding increase.. 43% faster than the Dell 8200 2.54ghz P4 System! And 18% for the mid Dual 1ghz system.. I'm impressed.. call me a zealout, I don't care.. there will always be those who don't think it's good enough yet... I am tired of waiting and I know these are incredibly fast machines, and I can't wait to see them run X.2!
I am debating on the dual 867 or the dual 1ghz... I'd love to have the mid system, but it might have to wait, while I have the money RIGHT NOW for the dual 867 to spend!
SHOULD I WAIT AND SAVE ANOTHER $800 OR SPEND THE $1700 NOW!?!?
:thumbsup: to you Apple. I am pleased! Dual optical drives/audio in.. oh yeah.. I'm buying!
On a PC EVERYTHING goes through the system bus.. NOT SO on a Powermac.. Each thing has it's own dedicated bus to keep from hogging the main system bus.
check out the article on zdnet...
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-949574.html
"But Joswiak defended what apparently is a small increase in the system bus.
'Our architecture is tough to compare to a PC bus, because we don't run everything off the same bus the way a PC does,' he said. 'A PC may have a 533MHz bus, but it's putting everything through that bus--whereas, we put everything on its own dedicated bus.'"
I dont' think anyone can argue iwth the video encoding increase.. 43% faster than the Dell 8200 2.54ghz P4 System! And 18% for the mid Dual 1ghz system.. I'm impressed.. call me a zealout, I don't care.. there will always be those who don't think it's good enough yet... I am tired of waiting and I know these are incredibly fast machines, and I can't wait to see them run X.2!
I am debating on the dual 867 or the dual 1ghz... I'd love to have the mid system, but it might have to wait, while I have the money RIGHT NOW for the dual 867 to spend!
SHOULD I WAIT AND SAVE ANOTHER $800 OR SPEND THE $1700 NOW!?!?
:thumbsup: to you Apple. I am pleased! Dual optical drives/audio in.. oh yeah.. I'm buying!
Depends on what you want to do. Both of these computers are fast. Are you going to need more RAM? An extra 256 is about $80. An extra 512 is $140-50 ish. Mac Mall is including 512 megs free right now.
Just think about what you need to achieve and weigh how each model will help your productivity. I bought the new Dual Ghz model today as it is the right amount of power and a whole lot more for what I'm doing AND would like to do in the future. I write music and create sound for films. For these tasks this machine will RIP.
Buy the fastest machine you can afford without blowing all your cash and don't look back. You WILL be happy.
Hope this helps....
Just think about what you need to achieve and weigh how each model will help your productivity. I bought the new Dual Ghz model today as it is the right amount of power and a whole lot more for what I'm doing AND would like to do in the future. I write music and create sound for films. For these tasks this machine will RIP.
Buy the fastest machine you can afford without blowing all your cash and don't look back. You WILL be happy.
Hope this helps....
I really can't complain if I get the 867 "lowend".. ha!
I was looking for a refurbed dual 800 machine for around 1999-2199 and now I can have more cpu power, ddr ram, audio in, dual optical bays, and a better vid card.. for $1699..
I'll probably sell the combo drive out of it and buy the superdrive from macsales.com for $299 (ANYONE INTERESTED????) and then I'll be set!!!
I've got a 24x cd burner in the PEECEE that I'll through in, and get another 256MB 266 RAM and I cant complain.. fastest computer i'll have ever used in my life! (including my xp1800+ system)
CAN"T WAIT!
Final Cut Pro on X.2 HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!
I was looking for a refurbed dual 800 machine for around 1999-2199 and now I can have more cpu power, ddr ram, audio in, dual optical bays, and a better vid card.. for $1699..
I'll probably sell the combo drive out of it and buy the superdrive from macsales.com for $299 (ANYONE INTERESTED????) and then I'll be set!!!
I've got a 24x cd burner in the PEECEE that I'll through in, and get another 256MB 266 RAM and I cant complain.. fastest computer i'll have ever used in my life! (including my xp1800+ system)
CAN"T WAIT!
Final Cut Pro on X.2 HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!
Re: How to open 2 drives with 1 keyboard eject?
Guys, please look around before asking...
quote from Macworld:
"The eject button on the keyboard still opens one of the optical drives (a DVD-burning SuperDrive on the 1.25GHz and 1GHz versions, a CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive on the base model); option-eject opens the other."
Guys, please look around before asking...
quote from Macworld:
"The eject button on the keyboard still opens one of the optical drives (a DVD-burning SuperDrive on the 1.25GHz and 1GHz versions, a CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive on the base model); option-eject opens the other."