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It's a gaming oriented laptop. What OS would you recommend for games?

And the not picking Apple because of hardware made me laugh. Since most people picked Apple computers for their hardware and reliability in the past.


I was going to say Apple is a known hardware company. Simple litmus test is the OS is free and used to sell the hardware.
 
By diverse, I mean product, service and even R&D range: Microsoft is a far more technical diverse ( and exciting ) company than Apple.



I like Microsoft and own the stock too, but they aren’t Apple in terms of profitability. 1.4B active devices is pretty diverse too.

Microsoft has done a fantastic job moving their business to a services one, which is why it trades at 40Xmearnings. Apple is in the process of doing the same, but won’t lose the $60B in profit.
 
By diverse, I mean product, service and even R&D range: Microsoft is a far more technical diverse ( and exciting ) company than Apple.
I guess it depends upon what you're excited about.

I can tell you this. Microsoft is in business to make money and they wish they could make $60B with their more diverse offerings. They just can't.
 
Didn’t even mention the first thing you will notice when you open them. 16x9 is a non starter for me and limits me to Apple and Surface products. Surface has no TB3 thus I am keeping my 13” MBP for the foreseeable future.
Embracing the 16x9 aspect ratio for laptops is nearly universal stupidity on the part of laptop makers. We work and read vertically.
 
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All businesses are in business to make money.

Personally, I don't care about $60b in profits, I'm more excited about a healthy company and its product range.

Like I said previously, people always use Apple profits as a fallback, and you are doing just that - falling back to Apple's profits.
I guess it depends upon what you're excited about.

I can tell you this. Microsoft is in business to make money and they wish they could make $60B with their more diverse offerings. They just can't.
 
Yeah, you can run Linux shells on Windows 10 too, but it involves extra hoops and even if I have a good working Linux environment setup, it's only on my machine.

It does have a Linux environment, which is nice. But for what you're describing I just setup a remote system and do development on that. You can also use something like VirtualBox so your machine are portable acrosss devices if you move/upgrade.

I'm not a fan of Windows 10 is Windows Update. Ugh. It's so slow

It is slow, yes. I schedule my updates for the early morning, when I'm asleep. But as I mention below...

Even when you successfully update after restarting twice, it'll tell you you're all caught up before interrupting 10 minutes later with a "JUST KIDDING! We have two more packages we didn't tell you about."

The key is to use the Pro edition. You can defer updates so you can keep working.
 
All businesses are in business to make money.

Personally, I don't care about $60b in profits, I'm more excited about a healthy company and its product range.

Like I said previously, people always use Apple profits as a fallback, and you are doing just that - falling back to Apple's profits.
LOL!! Profits are why companies exist, so Apple is extremely healthy.

They just grew their active device base to 1.4B from 1.3B in 12 months and the non-iPhone business is the size of Google and growing at 19%.
 
But is it able to go to sleep properly? Because my brother just Hackintoshed his Ryzen build and ran into endless nonsense like that, plus the USB didn't even work properly in Windows, so he's able to return it and buy Intel instead. I feel like everyone who uses a Hackintosh conveniently ignores everything seriously broken with it because I've never had success making it like a regular Mac.

He got a bum motherboard then. My Ryzen 7 box performs flawlessly in Windows and has been up 24/7 since I built it back in November 2017. It reboots once a month for Windows updates and runs everything I can throw at it with great speed.
 
I wouldn’t pick up one of these machines, but they are impressive. If I were to get one, I wouldn’t opt for 4K since the really do drain battery (my current laptop is 4K).

I do wish Apple offered a dedicated GPU on the 13 inch MacBook.

Dedicated GPU? They already have thermal throttling on the bigger 15”, a DGPU in the 13 would be a disaster.
 
I just want a mac laptop with modern internals at a reasonable price. Like they used to make. Instead of yesterdays hardware, with integrated graphics, crappy keyboards and enormous touch-pads. Is that so much to ask?

This. The last Apple laptop I actually purchased for myself was the 12" PowerBook G4! Why? Because if I'm spending my own $ on it then it has to be the product I want; a relatively small laptop with a dedicated GPU capable of reasonable gaming performance when I want to do so (and thus capable of cooling itself well, a real Apple failure point). Currently I'm happy with "my" 15", but then again it's not technically mine, so I didn't spend my own cash on it (and wouldn't have, even though it, luckily for me, predates the new craptastic models).

Now, with the horrible keyboard quality, elimination of necessary ports, laughable touch-bar, etc., it's very much looking like the next time I actually invest in a laptop for myself it will be something like this Razer. I do about 95% of my work remotely across several different MacPros (real ones) anyway, which I can do perfectly well from a Windows laptop, so I'm not locked-into MacOS for a laptop.
 
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I kept looking at the space key, thinking, what am I looking for, why is this guy complaining.

Then I noticed the shift key, and realized I read your post wrong.

What a bizarre design, I guess they wanted full size keys for the arrows and that was the trade-off they made.
Yep. It is amazing how many times companies will have a good, well designed product and then make a glaring mistake like this. That tiny right shift key is an abomination and completely unnecessary. It's like designers can't keep from stepping on their own gonads.
 
Also, as you said... runs Windows, so, what's the point of the comparison?

It's pretty important to know the state of price/performance for Windows laptops, just as it's important to know the state of Android phones vs iPhones. If they're good enough, it's worth considering as a Hackintosh option, or even (gasp) putting up with Linux or Windows and running OS-X in a VM. I much prefer OS-X but everyone's got their price: When there gets to be a 10x price/performance difference, well, let's face it - most of the time, you're interacting with Apps, not the OS. If no one ever jumps ship, then Apple has ZERO incentive to get any better. Just sayin...
 
Gaming laptops are primarily intended for use while plugged in. That's a significant difference versus a consumer or professional laptop. I'm not really sure what the point of the comparison is other than "you can pretend you got more bang for the buck despite not really being able to use it like a consumer or professional laptop".
 
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Superficial oranges to apples comparison. The IGP performance for the MBP is whack too, I'd be embarrassed to put my name on this if I were the OP/content creator (and yes, I wrote about 100 notebook reviews in a former life).
 
You're just wrong there. To make MacBooks appear to have more real estate, Apple switched the default scale factor to 1.714x a while back in the OS. Similarly, the scale factor on the iPhone 6+ was slightly less than 3x.

Sort of. The GUI is always rendered to an integer scale factor, unlike on Windows. The result of that is then scaled depending on the device and resolution.

Since I wasn’t taking about that, I’m not “wrong”, but you have a point that I left this detail out.
 
Why can’t you use this razor as a consumer or indeed professional laptop?

At my past few places of employment were everyone was given laptops, Linux, windows or Macs, most had their laptops plugged in, so battery isn't an issue. I'm sure this is consistent with most work places. Running off battery life often degrades performance, another reason not to if possible.

Indeed, I would only get a few hours battery life out of my work 2016/7 MacBook Pro since the applications I need to run eat battery life.

Gaming laptops are primarily intended for use while plugged in. That's a significant difference versus a consumer or professional laptop. I'm not really sure what the point of the comparison is other than "you can pretend you got more bang for the buck despite not really being able to use it like a consumer or professional laptop".
 
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Depending on what memory type Razer uses (and given the product description, the answer is likely LPDDR), it's probably only 16 GB (I don't believe Intel ever shipped a chipset that does LPDDR3 with more than that, nor does this CUP support LPDDR4). For some reason, Intel has for years now said "Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type)" but doesn't actually specify the value for a particular memory type.

But yeah, definitely not 64 GB.
 
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