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New retina MacBook Pro GPU

New retina MacBook Pro GPU

I would like to get the new Iris Pro MacBook Pro (when or if it come out) but the lack of 3D display support ( the 650m supports 3D displays) definitely will be the reason I'm going to choose last generation retina MacBook Pro over the new one coming up. And yeah I don't need to be told 3D is dead.

Also how do you respond to someone in the new Tapatalk update? And to the person above me, someone fixed my errors already so don't need to get all weird.
 
GSPice said:
Um, all the data?
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Oh lol, I just assumed people already read all that stuff about their cards. Notebookcheck.net is the first site people go to when looking up information on graphics cards. Gives great benchmarks, comparable cards, the specs of the card, and a nice little summary of progression
 
VanillaCracker said:
Oh lol, I just assumed people already read all that stuff about their cards. Notebookcheck.net is the first site people go to when looking up information on graphics cards. Gives great benchmarks, comparable cards, the specs of the card, and a nice little summary of progression
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Lol yeah I had a feeling I late to the station finding that site
 
astroboy907 said:
Well, apple could always out a gamers laptop. Call it the MacBook Play or something :D
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Yeah, imagine what they could fit into the cMBP housing using rMBP principles (no ODD, flash storage etc.). Add nice fullHD IPS screen to it, and voila. Eh, dreams..
 
tgi said:
General consensus on the new Haswell rMBP is there might not even be a dGPU. They will most likely come equipped with the Intel Iris Pro 5200 iGPU.
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If this happens, I will surely not buy the Retina line then. If it is a "Pro" product for Pro users, then it should have a dGPU or might as well change it to non-Pro status.

I'm looking at you 13" rMBP.
 
koyoot said:
You are misunderstanding. Iris Pro will not increase battery life. The technology in Haswell processors will. Iris Pro draws about the same power as combination of GT750M plus i7 4700M.
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AFAIK, Iris Pro supports Turbo Boost, which means that the IGP reduces the power consumption, if the machine does “nothing”.

This app shows you the power consumption and CPU frequency with and without Turbo Boost:
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-power-gadget-20
 
jav6454 said:
If it is a "Pro" product for Pro users, then it should have a dGPU or might as well change it to non-Pro status.
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Stop fusing your own "pro" vision and what it actually is. "Pro" is not a synonym of "gaming". That said, Iris Pro will bring more computing power to pro users using professional software than any mobile GPU nVidia could offer. Like many people said, Apple never looked at gamers when deciding what hardware should be used in their machines. Deal with it and go buy some Alienware "pro" laptop that fits your gaming needs.
 
bill-p said:
What does the new Mac Pro have to do with OpenCL?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL#History
+ The new MP has no official NVIDIA GPU options, which means: No CUDA support.

bill-p said:
OpenCL has been available on Mac OS for a long time, and Apple has pushed the feature as early as Lion.
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No, Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6.x).

bill-p said:
If app developers wanted to take advantage of it, they could have done so ages ago.
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Some developers and scientists used/use OpenCL on Snow Leopard and newer. I know at least one project, which used OpenCL for the calculation of SHA-1 hash values on Mac OS X 10.6.x.
 
Mr. Retrofire said:
Yeah, do that and live with less performance.
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Elaborate. The processor boost accompanying Haswell is very modest. the DGPU which GT 650M is superior for most applications than iris pro. Good luck with buying a $2200+ machine with integrated graphics.
 
kaellar said:
Like many people said, Apple never looked at gamers when deciding what hardware should be used in their machines. Deal with it and go buy some Alienware "pro" laptop that fits your gaming needs.
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So why did they make such a point of showing off Diablo III on the 15" rMBP at last years WWDC then? Apple DID position the rMBP's as gaming machine's and got consumers excited over the future in that respect. I for one am desperately hoping that Apple include a great dedicated gpu in the upcoming 15" rMBP as I am now using pro apps more and more AND gaming. I'm also an extremely mobile user and my MacBook Air just isn't cutting it anymore performance wise! I am still thinking positively about this whole thing and am still sceptical that Apple would release its top of the line pro laptops with WORSE overall graphics performance than last years model. It's just too un-Apple. My guess is that the 13" Pro and baseline 15" will have Iris, with more expensive models hopefully having the successor to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
 
StellarSoul said:
So why did they make such a point of showing off Diablo III on the 15" rMBP at last years WWDC then? Apple DID position the rMBP's as gaming machine's and got consumers excited over the future in that respect. I for one am desperately hoping that Apple include a great dedicated gpu in the upcoming 15" rMBP as I am now using pro apps more and more AND gaming. I'm also an extremely mobile user and my MacBook Air just isn't cutting it anymore performance wise! I am still thinking positively about this whole thing and am still sceptical that Apple would release its top of the line pro laptops with WORSE overall graphics performance than last years model. It's just too un-Apple. My guess is that the 13" Pro and baseline 15" will have Iris, with more expensive models hopefully having the successor to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
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First of all, they had no alternative when the first gen rMBP was in development. Now they have.
Second, Diablo 3 is not that demanding game. Is rMBP capable of casual gaming? Sure it is. And IrisPro-equipped rMBP will be. Are both 650m/750m and Iris Pro capable of grinding high settings in those AAA titles? Absolutely no.
And third, Apple already did similar thing with MBA when they switched from c2d+320m to i5+hd3000. Atm they have no reason not to do that again.
 
Mr. Retrofire said:
AFAIK, Iris Pro supports Turbo Boost, which means that the IGP reduces the power consumption, if the machine does “nothing”.

This app shows you the power consumption and CPU frequency with and without Turbo Boost:
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-power-gadget-20
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I'm sorry to repost this all over again: http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/intel-iris-pro-5200-grafik-im-test/6/

2 Watt in idle, 7 Watt under heavy load. That's it. And under heavy cpu load like Prime 95, the combination 4600+750m consumes 2 Watt less than Iris 5200 pro. Haswell has a more efficient architecture, and we will see a slight increase of battery life in idle mode. But Iris does nearly nothing for that.
 
kaellar said:
How is this connected to the possible future rMBP GPU discussion?
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Someone (Retrofire) posted a link related to leaked benchmarks...

By the way, the picture of your Mom or Grand-Mother is not funny at all and not related to the thread. Don't you feel embarrassed ? ;)
 
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sofianito said:
Someone (Retrofire) posted a link related to leaked benchmarks...

By the way, the picture of your Mom or Grand-Mother is not funny at all and not related to the thread. Don't you feel embarrassed ? ;)
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Wow, where did that joke come from, a kindergarden? What a humor, bravo!
 
kaellar said:
Wow, where did that joke come from, a kindergarden? What a humor, bravo!
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It wasn't a joke. Trying to amuse the gallery by picking pictures randomly on the net of old people is not funny at all... You must respect your elders...
 
StellarSoul said:
So why did they make such a point of showing off Diablo III on the 15" rMBP at last years WWDC then? Apple DID position the rMBP's as gaming machine's and got consumers excited over the future in that respect. I for one am desperately hoping that Apple include a great dedicated gpu in the upcoming 15" rMBP as I am now using pro apps more and more AND gaming. I'm also an extremely mobile user and my MacBook Air just isn't cutting it anymore performance wise! I am still thinking positively about this whole thing and am still sceptical that Apple would release its top of the line pro laptops with WORSE overall graphics performance than last years model. It's just too un-Apple. My guess is that the 13" Pro and baseline 15" will have Iris, with more expensive models hopefully having the successor to the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M.
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They didn't show it off as a gaming machine. They showed it of as a "Yeah that works too."
On the homepage they even put a Civ V screenshot which is probably the buggiest crappiest Mac port out there. I get about 50 times better performance on Windows than on Mac in that game. Mac is unplayabe even at the lowest possible settings. Windows runs fine even after 300 turns and a big map with 30fps at low/mid settings. OSX doesn't manage a single fps with those settings and at lowest it goes from 10-15 fps the first few turns to less than 3-4 after the about a 100 turns when a bit of the map is open. (2010 15" MBP)
If they were serious about gaming, they probably would have at least tested the game in OSX themselves. Some very few games actually do run fairly well in OSX.
But like running Windows, gaming is something that you can do also so you don't HAVE TO stay away from Mac just because you want to do some gaming too. You can run Windows on a Mac too if you have to. It is still an inferior experience like a hacktinosh. The trackpad drivers are crippled and battery life is poor with the dGPU alway active. A real Windows notebook does better, but you can if you have to.
 
kaellar said:
Stop fusing your own "pro" vision and what it actually is. "Pro" is not a synonym of "gaming". That said, Iris Pro will bring more computing power to pro users using professional software than any mobile GPU nVidia could offer. Like many people said, Apple never looked at gamers when deciding what hardware should be used in their machines. Deal with it and go buy some Alienware "pro" laptop that fits your gaming needs.
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What's with people thinking "Pro" means gaming? Some people really have no idea what "Pro" meant in the past with Apple. Stop drinking the Apple Kool-Aide that iGPUs are the best thing. They are not, they suck, there is a reason why Apple ditched them long ago with the whole 9400M ordeal.
 
jav6454 said:
What's with people thinking "Pro" means gaming? Some people really have no idea what "Pro" meant in the past with Apple. Stop drinking the Apple Kool-Aide that iGPUs are the best thing. They are not, they suck, there is a reason why Apple ditched them long ago with the whole 9400M ordeal.
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Oh Jesus.. Looks like "benchmarks" term is too complicated for you, isn't it?
 
kaellar said:
Oh Jesus.. Looks like "benchmarks" term is too complicated for you, isn't it?
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Benchmarks... people are too thick to realize benchmarks are synthetic and don't translate to real world usage. That is why benchmarks are a nice little number that gives you an idea of what it could do, not what it does.

A true benchmark is one that actually tests a real world scenario. There is a reason why Anandtech in all his full hardware reviews places heavy emphasis and warnings when he does post synthetics.

In real world the iGPU from Intel will suck. Period. Don't dilute yourself into thinking it'll be ok or great.
 
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