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It's called an _analogy_, for crying out loud. I have explained, and explained why the argument "Well, XX can do more than YY, hence XX must be much more functional and by extension must be much more useable" doesn't hold up. I have explained that ad nauseum, yet you guys are simply oblivious to what my argument is instead you're trying to make this into an argument about which is better. I am saying that your arguments doesn't hold water, and showing you how. Yet neither of you are capable of understanding such simple matters.
Oh, swell. The McDonald's argument. I guess that means IE is "teh l33t browser" Seriously, you have got to come up with something better than sales-numbers/DL-numbers. Anyone with half a brain can see through an argument that goes "Product X is better/more wholesome/Anything-I-Choose-to-claim, and my back up is the sales-figures/dl-figures".
What's with you guys? Not only do you not understand sarcasm, you do not understand analogies, and you constantly try to make strawman arguments? Yes, Linux _might_ work for the average user (I doubt without tinkering, though). But it's a cheap arse argument (actually, it's just invalid) to state that I must know nothing, as my argument is merely the opinion of one, and because of the DL-numbers I must be wrong.
I have time and time argued my case (which you completely ignore and make it into something else), but alas, you guys seem to go the lemming-route: Using cheap rules-of-thumb learned in highschool (that opinions are a no-no, and that if something is an opinion, then it's invalid). Well, hate to break it to you, but it's far from that simple. There are unfounded opinions, wellfounded opinions, argued opinions, informed opinions and so forth. And basing your opinion on download-numbers is a logical leap.
Swell. yet another attempt at sidetracking. We were talking useability, whether a product were cumbersome or not, functionality and functions. If you really want to use your pseudo-argument on download numbers, and bring security into it, be my guest. That means that Safari is one of the least secure out there, and IE the most. Yes, the download figures certianly support your point of view [/sarcasm]
Well, when I have to spoonfeed everything, and simple logic and deduction - not to mention basic stuff like sarcasm and analogies - are completely missed, yes, I consider that rather ignorant.
Further, your post shows how much you really have to say: Your only claim (which, btw you haven't shown the validity of) is that I "babble". Come now, it's easy to claim such a thing, yet, I'm far from surprised you're not even trying to _show_ it or argue your case.
USELESS!!!?
Point Click... DONE.
How the Hell is Cmd+L and then CmD+Enter much easier????
Oh wait your on the HD-DVD bandwagon aren't you.... Oh you still think TV Remotes are hard to use... Oh push button phones are never going to catch on rotaries are much better.
Yes, CMD+T, then Enter is one less key. I am willing to bet, though, that if you know your shortcuts CMD+T (or CMD+L, in this context) is faster than using your mouse or touchpad.
On either, you have to press enter, so that doesn't really count, does it?
Actually Safari on the Mac is the Best browser. Firefox is not.
On a Windows PC its a different story. Safari SUCKS (please note Caps) and Firefox is Awesome.
Hand is on mouse "Click" new tab
I guess this argument falls back to the Dark ages of why we don't need a second Mouse button or a scroll wheel.
People work in different ways I guess... have fun
No, it doesn't. This argument falls back to being the most efficient: Since you have to actually use the keyboard to type a webadress, your hand doesn't have to go between the two. Saving time and movement at both ends.
I see your point, though: Instead of actually thinking why I might say something like that, it's much easier to pretend it has something to do with being backwards.
Well, I'm sorry, but most pros, be it audio, video, graphics or even people "fluent in Office" use a mouse as little as possible. And it certainly isn't because they prefer a single-button mouse or are backwards.
Ok, so it has serious flaws and bugs. Check.
It can't render as well as Firefox and doesn't work right. Check.
More bugs. Check.
Firefox can be configured to look just like Safari so your argument is not valid in that regard. No one forces you to use add-ons/extensions/plugins in Firefox, but the fact Safari has NONE is a major problem for some of us. You say you need 'useful features'. What features does Safari have (other than speed, which I agree with) that Firefox is lacking??? I believe the answer is none. In short, your entire argument beyond speed is typical Apple fanboy fancy.
You see you have that backward. Safari needs to make their browser compatible with web sites, not the other way around.
I use Safari for one reason on my PowerMac and that's SPEED. It's about 3x faster than Firefox. But the bookmarking 'tree' to add one is long and messy as it expands it to show ALL sub folders, which makes for a LONG list here to scroll down through. There are virtually no extensions (save an adblock hack and a few other hacks, some of which the authors actually want money for when virtually all Firefox extensions are free). There aren't enough configuration options (e.g. if you close a tab, it doesn't go back to the previous tab you were last on, but the one immediately to the left of it. That is incredibly annoying at times as it interrupts the natural flow of browsing, going forward to explore and then back where you left off...instead it goes wherever happens to be to the left regardless. Apple's download prompt needs a full finder selection, not just recently used locations and the default apple folders. I want to put certain downloads in certain places. Firefox lets me select if I choose exactly where each time. While I like how Safari highlights text searches, I don't like how I have to hit command F to activate it (compared to a single key "/" in Firefox and the search again key "command g" versus "F3"). Again, it comes down to interrupting the browsing flow and making operations slower than they need to be. Safari insists on marking spelling 'errors' even in search boxes (and mind you any proper names get marked as spelling errors--it doesn't even assume a capitalized word is a proper name and marks it anyway-- "Firefox" is marked about a hundred times in this post alone. And the dotted red lines are so thick they sometimes block seeing what's directly underneath them.
Firefox by default may not behave exactly the way I want, but add something like tab-mix-plus and I can have tabs behave EXACTLY like I want them to. So extensions aren't just 'extras' but also control default behavior in Firefox so the one guy's argument about complicated tools is total garbage, IMO.
I seriously think some people would love what Apple puts out even if it was utter buggy garbage just because it's from Apple. No other reason seems to be necessary with some people. One only needs to read the PC world's reception to Safari 3.x beta to see how biased things are in Apple Land.
OTOH, Firefox is slow and is not multi-threaded, which is going to really hurt it more and more as time goes on, IMO.
Apple likes to brag about it having 18 BILLION in cash reserves.... So why is it they can't use a small fraction of that to hire some more people so they don't get behind on various projects because of OTHER projects??? I mean basically people keep telling me Apple is CHEAP when they tell me they're too busy with iPhone or whatever to keep working on Safari or Leopard or the next generation MBP or MacMini or whatever. Hire more people already Mr. Jobs!
First of all. I don't actually have any sites I cannot go to, but it do crash a lot. Hence I use Omniweb, as I can configure that to the extend I want a configureable browser.
Somehow you FF-fanatics wants this to only be about Safari vs. firefox. Yet that was not my point at all. I guess it's necessary to make-believe it is, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to claim what you're now claiming.
I do know I can configure FF ad nauseaum, but I prefer to actually work or surf, rather than spending a lot of time configuring the thing, and as I have already mentioned, I use omniweb, which can do all I want a browser to do, the way I want to do it: It's much less cumbersome in that way. Plus, it's quicker.
Excellent example, since you've just mentioned me (although not by name) who uses Omniweb. And it's a very good example, since Safari on Windows sucks, Omniweb is Mac-only, and firefox is ridiculously slow on a Mac, and on windows FF is the only real contender to a good browser. Perhaps some might like Opera still, though.
It's already way to slow.
Add: Just like the other two guys, you open your mouth about me (amongst others) being an Apple fanboy. How about you read the actual thread, or clicked and read some of my other posts on this site? You might be surprised. But you'll propably state you have no intention to do so, thus proving my point.
Firefox 3 Beta 3 is actually quite good. But in my opinion it's no better than Safari 3.0.4 unless you want specific plugins which only Firefox has.
On Firefox 3, I do quite like the green address bar thing on secure sites, to show they have a valid security certificate.
On Firefox 3, I do quite like the green address bar thing on secure sites, to show they have a valid security certificate.
Glad to hear about this. I find Safari 3 completely unusable on eBay UK unless I switch off Javascript, which means I lose a lot of functionality (such as, y'know, paying for stuff). Not cool.
Eyecandy, safari has the plainest interface of them all.
The only Plugin I need to use is Inquisitor and its on Safari
FF provides no functionality I want that Safari doesn't, and Safari beats FF in quite a few areas: draggable text boxes, Find function.
Well, given how often Firefox pukes all over the place, it SHOULD wipe up its own mess.
Sorry, while I don't think Safari is a great browser (it crashes too often and it sometimes chokes on web sites until you refresh), Firefox isn't even close. It's slow and buggy. Not to mention the clunky UI.
RSS stopped working for me and generally causing freezes to Safari after Leopard. The Tiger beta worked fine and I really liked Safari.
NetNewsWire does RSS so much better and I've found it to be almost as versatile as a browser. I've almost stopped using Safari now.
NetNewsWire does RSS so much better and I've found it to be almost as versatile as a browser. I've almost stopped using Safari now.
I was a big NNW fan, but just FYI I recommend checking out NewsFire which just turned Freeware yesterday