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Say what you will about their ads, but they are/were very effective in creating a "cool" factor around Samsung - especially around the time of the Galaxy SIII. Some of the biggest Apple evangelists were praising the ads and reluctantly acknowledging the leaps Samsung was taking. I remember an editorial from Bryan Wolfe from AppAdvice around that time that even admitted a bit of jealousy towards what Samsung was doing (and Apple's relative treading of water).

Even now, Samsung is considered cool... Admittedly, these are just personal anecdotes, but here are a few recent examples: my teenage daughter has an iPhone 5, but was coveting her friend's "Samsung". My 40something friend is planning to buy a Galaxy S5. I said, "be prepared to hate it!" and he looked at me like I was crazy, saying that he knows bunch of people that own and LOVE that phone. A 30something former iPhone lifer that I work with just showed off his new S5 this week.

Disclaimer: My last three phones have been iPhone 4 (liked), Galaxy SIII (hated), Moto X (like). So I am by no means biased towards Samsung
 
Ok, yes, I was annoyed that the event stream was an utter failure. What I *do* recognize, however, is that no company is generally prepared for the amount of people that *want* to watch Apple's events. In other words, Samsung (and many others companies) *wish* they could have streaming problems, because then it suggests that people give a **** about what they have to show/say.

OT: As for the :apple:Watch being "gimmicky," seems odd that people with Samsung phones -- the ones where you magically wave your finger in front of the camera to "sort of" scroll the screen -- don't have the right to make fun of anything gimmicky.

I love how you try to spin this about people wanting that many watching to cause a technical issue. Seriously?

All companies spin, show off their gimmicks and tricks and announce/beat their chest that they are revolutionary and amazing. It's marketing. I don't fault any company for doing it. What company is going to showcase their newest device and say "eh - it's ok - maybe you'll like it. We put some features in that may or may not be great for you - but some of you might"

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Say what you will about their ads, but they are/were very effective in creating a "cool" factor around Samsung - especially around the time of the Galaxy SIII. Some of the biggest Apple evangelists were praising the ads and reluctantly acknowledging the leaps Samsung was taking. I remember an editorial from Bryan Wolfe from AppAdvice around that time that even admitted a bit of jealousy towards what Samsung was doing (and Apple's relative treading of water).

Even now, Samsung is considered cool... Admittedly, these are just personal anecdotes, but here are a few recent examples: my teenage daughter has an iPhone 5, but was coveting her friend's "Samsung". My 40something friend is planning to buy a Galaxy S5. I said, "be prepared to hate it!" and he looked at me like I was crazy, saying that he knows bunch of people that own and LOVE that phone. A 30something former iPhone lifer that I work with just showed off his new S5 this week.

Disclaimer: My last three phones have been iPhone 4 (liked), Galaxy SIII (hated), Moto X (like). So I am by no means biased towards Samsung

I believe during the Samsung trial there were releases emails that indicated that Apple was worried/concerned/annoyed that Samsung Ads were effective or better than their current ads. Something to that effect.
 
It's not just specs, it's features. But of course specs matter. 1gb isn't enough memory. It's already a pain having apps "reboot" when starting them up on my iPad... which is a hit or miss affair even when dealing with the same apps.

Specs matter immensely for user experience.
Everything else is good enough, spec wise (not feature wise) on the new iPhone except the awful amount of memory.

are you sure you have an ipad (just kidding)? coz seriously, i don't have any bad experiences of having to reboot apps because of memory issues. i'm guessing you jailbreak your ipad which may be the reason why you're having issues. or better yet, maybe get it checked by the geniuses(apple tech).
 
The biggest failure here by Samsung is that they fail to realize that even the most loyal Apple users still have a need to buy from other brands. Whether its appliances, TV's, software or other. By them doing stuff like this, it ends up hurting their other divisions.

I am seriously being turned off by the brand. It doesn't insult me, and I'm as "Apple" as you can find. But geez... This is how they try and attract customers?
 
I agree that specs can be important but some here make it sound like the iPhone are laggy unworkable messes when that's far from the truth. That's why I never understand the spec thing. Like I said it often benchmarks better than phones with double or triple the specs.

Features, ok. What missing features on the 6 make it old?

Just looking at what other phones releasing this year have; wireless charging, IR gestures, multiple users (especially for tablets. Why is this not a thing yet?), selectable default apps, water resistance, AMOLED displays. Additional storage via memory cards would be neat but I'm not expecting Apple to ever support that, even if they just let you store camera photos on it would be nice.
 
first world problems..

wow guys... chill

I am always so surprised how people can get so angry and rude over a mere phone or some computer hardware.

Get the phone or hardware you like and have fun with it.
If you prefer samsung, buy samsung!
If you prefer apple, buy apple!
If you prefer another brand, buy that brand!
You can even mix and match...

Different Brands have always been dissing their competitors. None of them are saints. As COMMERCIAL companies, they only want your money.


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I cannot believe people are on here defending the stylus. Just... wow. Do they not realize that its absence was probably the biggest reason the iPhone took off like it did? But I guess when I quoted "if you see a stylus, they blew it" was disparaged by the same trolls at the time Steve Jobs originally said it - so I shouldn't be surprised.
 
Oh the irony of the Youtube stream stalling as it buffers while play this and very often other videos.
 
It's not just specs, it's features. But of course specs matter. 1gb isn't enough memory. It's already a pain having apps "reboot" when starting them up on my iPad... which is a hit or miss affair even when dealing with the same apps.

Specs matter immensely for user experience.
Everything else is good enough, spec wise (not feature wise) on the new iPhone except the awful amount of memory.

If the Galaxy S5 and iPhone 6 never released specs, if you give both phones to a regular Joe Schmoe, or even a tech geek for that matter, no one in their right mind would be able to tell a major difference in performance. Let alone say "actually I can feel that the S5 has 4x the RAM as the iPhone."

By claiming to tell the difference in performance of two powerful cellphones is like saying you can watch the Olympics without any timer or replay and declare that Runner 1 definitely beat Runner 2 by .0002 seconds in the 100 meter race.
 
are you sure you have an ipad (just kidding)? coz seriously, i don't have any bad experiences of having to reboot apps because of memory issues. i'm guessing you jailbreak your ipad which may be the reason why you're having issues. or better yet, maybe get it checked by the geniuses(apple tech).

Nope, iPad Air and I don't jailbreak. Apps soft-rebooting is quite a thing. Even a replacement iPhone 5S I was loaned from my insurance had the same problem. Load up Twitter, begin writing tweet, load up safari to get a link or text to copy, go back to Twitter and it's displayed the logo again and erased what I had wrote. Sometimes it would do it, sometimes it wouldn't.

So you're saying you've never had an app reload on you? They are supposed to do that, apps can be developed to do a quick reload if they have to. You can try this by triggering a memory problem by loading up Twitter, then Safari with lots of tabs and then switch back. Twitter will reload but faster than closing the app and reloading manually.

Another common problem is Safari reloading which makes offline viewing difficult if you keep tabs open.

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If the Galaxy S5 and iPhone 6 never released specs, if you give both phones to a regular Joe Schmoe, or even a tech geek for that matter, no one in their right mind would be able to tell a major difference in performance. Let alone say "actually I can feel that the S5 has 4x the RAM as the iPhone."

By claiming to tell the difference in performance of two powerful cellphones is like saying you can watch the Olympics without any timer or replay and declare that Runner 1 definitely beat Runner 2 by .0002 seconds in the 100 meter race.

If one device suffered memory problems (pages reloading in a browser after going into a different app, for example), then it would be quite noticeable.
 
It actually might take a genius...

This is what happens when a company believes that being inferior (in a general way - maybe not in a spec-by-spec way) is somehow better. If they had geniuses, they would not need to even bother with crap like this.

Poking in fun is just fine in friendships and kindergarten, but Apple and Samsung are certainly not in a friendship and I'd hope that the folks at Samsung that make decisions to go (or not) with this sort of thing are out of kindergarten. But maybe not.
 
Just looking at what other phones releasing this year have; wireless charging, IR gestures, multiple users (especially for tablets. Why is this not a thing yet?), selectable default apps, water resistance, AMOLED displays. Additional storage via memory cards would be neat but I'm not expecting Apple to ever support that, even if they just let you store camera photos on it would be nice.

Ok yeah fair points I can't argue with those.

I still am a little hesitant to agree on the specs thing because I don't think they matter for the phone at least. For the iPad they gotta do something for the tab reloading but I don't see any other performance issues.
 
wow guys... chill

I am always so surprised how people can get so angry and rude over a mere phone or some computer hardware.

Get the phone or hardware you like and have fun with it.
If you prefer samsung, buy samsung!
If you prefer apple, buy apple!
If you prefer another brand, buy that brand!
You can even mix and match...

Different Brands have always been dissing their competitors. None of them are saints. As COMMERCIAL companies, they only want your money.


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this is the internets!

where we fight over silly stuff.
 
Ok yeah fair points I can't argue with those.

I still am a little hesitant to agree on the specs thing because I don't think they matter for the phone at least. For the iPad they gotta do something for the tab reloading but I don't see any other performance issues.

Like I say the CPU is fine. The tech it does have is great. But apps get larger and more bloated, that 1gb memory for a phone that will last from September 2014-2015 is simply not enough.
 
I cannot believe people are on here defending the stylus. Just... wow. Do they not realize that its absence was probably the biggest reason the iPhone took off like it did? But I guess when I quoted "if you see a stylus, they blew it" was disparaged by the same trolls at the time Steve Jobs originally said it - so I shouldn't be surprised.

Did you catch the Note 4 keynote? The S - pen (stylus) adds a ton of functionality which the iPhone doesn't have. Not bashing the iPhone, just proving the usefulness of the "stylus".
 
Dude those Ad's ran for years!! Apple execs still often pokes fun at competitors as well. Personally I don't care and find it funny both ways.

At the time the "I'm a Mac" ads ran I was a loyal Windows user. Had no interest in Macs.

But I loved the ads. They were clever and fun and I guess you could say, affectionate.
 
Nope, iPad Air and I don't jailbreak. Apps soft-rebooting is quite a thing. Even a replacement iPhone 5S I was loaned from my insurance had the same problem. Load up Twitter, begin writing tweet, load up safari to get a link or text to copy, go back to Twitter and it's displayed the logo again and erased what I had wrote. Sometimes it would do it, sometimes it wouldn't.

So you're saying you've never had an app reload on you? They are supposed to do that, apps can be developed to do a quick reload if they have to. You can try this by triggering a memory problem by loading up Twitter, then Safari with lots of tabs and then switch back. Twitter will reload but faster than closing the app and reloading manually.

Another common problem is Safari reloading which makes offline viewing difficult if you keep tabs open.

Honestly, I don't experience those issues with my ipads and iphones. So, i'm not sure why you're getting it.
 
For the record:

The Chinese translator over the presentation really did suck and it cut out on me every 2-3 minutes. Didn't get a solid stream until the announced the :apple:watch

I wasn't impressed. Still getting a new iPhone!

I just gave up and decided to wait for it to post online later on. But I haven't watched it yet.

I'm so mad at the Live Stream that I'm going to buy an iPhone 6. :mad:

I think the problems were caused by a surge in viewers, more than Apple expected. It may have clogged some backbones. Or the Samsung/Google Trolls were "jamming" the signal, heheh!
 
I agree that specs can be important but some here make it sound like the iPhone are laggy unworkable messes when that's far from the truth. That's why I never understand the spec thing. Like I said it often benchmarks better than phones with double or triple the specs.

Features, ok. What missing features on the 6 make it old?

I guess they're talking about the NFC and probably the Optical Image thingy.. Which is the same ones that my coworkers are bashing about LOL
 
I cannot believe people are on here defending the stylus. Just... wow. Do they not realize that its absence was probably the biggest reason the iPhone took off like it did? But I guess when I quoted "if you see a stylus, they blew it" was disparaged by the same trolls at the time Steve Jobs originally said it - so I shouldn't be surprised.

So tell me again why Stylus are such a great selling product for iPhone/iPad users?

And why Apple sells stylus within their stores?
 
Did you catch the Note 4 keynote? The S - pen (stylus) adds a ton of functionality which the iPhone doesn't have. Not bashing the iPhone, just proving the usefulness of the "stylus".

Samedung stylus user: dang! Where did I put that stylus?

Samedung stylus user ten years later: I remember you, dum stylus! Dang! Where is that old useless note again?
 
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