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Whether something is overpriced or not is only relevant in their set of use cases and value. The Apple ecosystem has real value, and in some cases is a show stopper. For some people iMessage is a showstopper. When it comes to iPhones, the X "to me" is very overpriced. It provides no significant new function over an iPhone 7 or 8 other than cosmetic. It comes down to preferences. But that is just my opinion. To someone that buys an X, the Note 8 may be overpriced, even if it were $100, because they require iOS.

So I agree that Abazigal doesn't need to justify anything to anyone if he gets value from what he's bought. There isn't really a device that competes well with the iPad, to do what the iPad does. I bought a Surface Pro, but I don't like iPads and don't want what to me, is a big phone, to use as a tablet. I want something that works as a full function computer, and also as a tablet.
Because the user experience isn’t binary. It’s not simply a choice between whether something can be done or not, but also how well something works. And this is clearly going to be subjective because different people have different expectations and tolerance levels.

For example, both iOS and android can run Snapchat, but the ios version is reportedly better optimised than the android app. How do you put a value on the same app not working equally well on both platforms?

Yes, there are android tablets with styluses, but what is the writing experience like when you are fiddling with a skinny stylus compared to an Apple Pencil which is akin to a full-sized Pencil? What about factors such as the battery life, the reliability of the device or the app support?

Likewise, in the aforementioned case of mirroring, there are also various factors such as the stability of the connection, the smoothness of the mirroring, the latency etc which determine how well said feature works.

Specs don’t always tell the whole story.

What both of you said made sense. It is your preference. If you have posted this in the "Why I am crazy about iPhone" thread, then I would not say a thing.

BUT look at the title of this thread. This is a versus thread. So you are rooting for one side or the other with your personal preferences. Therefore you have to justify/quantify your personal preferences with comparable indicators and not just using the cop out "I feel" indicator.

NO one gets to use the "beauty lies in the eyes of beholder" free pass in the Miss Universe pageant. Otherwise it is just cheating.
 
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You understand that you could have looked up Google's policy?
https://privacy.google.com/how-ads-work.html

Notice how the very first thing you see on the page, written in BIG BOLD LETTERS:
We do not sell your personal information to anyone.

You understand what that means, right? The exact opposite of what you constantly spew around, with absolutely no factual data.

So please tell me how does Google make money adverstising using Ads online ... you know trough yours, mine, and everyone's browsing history to 'recommend' ads related to what we've previously viewed? This is by far their largest bread and butter.

PS: opting out for
Map history
Google Search history (especially in Chrome)
is a manual process by the end users ... it's not an "opt-in" by google as the link has you suggested. I don't sign into my google account in Chrome but if I wish to clear history I need to goto their website for opt-in and then disable for Map history and search history and its' page by page by page... very manual not an all one & done.

Apple I need to reach out to with their conflicting stage annoucements and privacy policy on their site. This needs to change.

Great heated debate still though ... really enjoying it.
 
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What both of you said made sense. It is your preference. If you have posted this in the "Why I am crazy about iPhone" thread, then I would not say a thing.

BUT look at the title of this thread. This is a versus thread. So you are rooting for one side or the other with your personal preferences. Therefore you have to justify/quantify your personal preferences with comparable indicators and not just using the cop out "I feel" indicator.

NO one gets to use the "beauty lies in the eyes of beholder" free pass in the Miss Universe pageant. Otherwise it is just cheating.

Except that this isn’t a competition. Each of us uses the devices which best suits our needs, and everyone is happy. I look at a vs thread and I don’t think there needs to be a clear winner. This is simply a forum for us to air our views and likes and preferences and everyone walks away more learned for it. I admit that at times, I do come across as being very overbearing in my comments, especially if I feel the criticism is coming in hard and furious against Apple (and unfairly so), but that’s just the way I talk in such situations.

What if I like Apple (and their products by extension) because of its “me vs the world” attitude, which happens to resonate with me? How do I put a score on that? It’s an intangible factor that doesn’t influence how a product works like more ram or faster processors or a better camera, but it’s a very real reason for my propensity to gravitate towards Apple products over the rest of the competition. Do I just discount it because it isn’t “objective”?

I won’t say Apple products are the absolute best options out there for everyone, but there is clearly a segment for whom they are ideal, and I will share my experiences of how my Apple products have worked well for me, to inform and inspire those who might want to use their Apple products in a similar fashion.
 
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So please tell me how does Google make money adverstising using Ads online ...

The same way Apple made money with iAds (and still does with Search Ads) -- by selling anonymous targeted ad slots. I.e. you pay for your ad to be seen by a certain demographic, and Apple/Google shows the right ads to the right people.

The advertisers are never sold our personalized data, because then the info would lose its value. Advertisers would no longer have a reason to keep paying someone else for a targeted ad placement.
 
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"You are feeling it wrong"

No need to talk about anything else. Just the main UI of iphone is not intuitive (or user friendly) at all. You won't see it if you don't open your mind. Why the confusing pull down from left/right or pull-up from top/bottom to get control/notification depending on which iphone you are using? Why have another separate control center that is so cluttered and confusing with all the toggles many you seldom use?. Why is widget screen hidden within notification and not visible all the time just like your car dashboard? Why are the less important notifications inter-mixed with important ones?

Android does it infinitely more intuitive. Just one universal pull down from status bar that shows your 6 most used toggles (that can be expanded for more) and notifications neatly organized or prioritized according to your needs



Look at all other flagships today. No camera bump. Only Apple is so behind that they cannot do without the bump. Whatever excuses you gave, the big camera bump looks horrible on iphone esp the X.



This is apple reality distortion.

Apple like every other companies has some well designed and some not so well designed products. IPX is one of the not good design with the notch and the camera bump. What apple has that others don't is to instill elitism, loyalty and premium-ness in their products through their well oiled marketing and customer service. How else do you think they can sell their lower/equal spec-ed phones (compared to others) at a huge premium price? Many are buying into this hype, that's all. You think iphone users (like you :) ) will give a second thought let alone explore about whether other products may or can be better than iphone? Most probably not. Why? Because your mind has been imprinted for so long that "apple is the best with the best tech and eco-system" and others are just lower class chinese/korean/japanese products that are knock-off or copycat of apple. However, I don't entirely fault apple that you are thinking this way since there are some manufacturers that are following or copying Apple trends. Of course on the flip side many tend to overlook or choose not to believe that Apple is also copying (and following) others.
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Just to show why you are so engrossed in Apple that you think others can't do the same or better. Just for the simple fact that you brought out mirroring. Do you know I can mirror my S8+ to any wifi-capable TV without needing to plug in apple tv box to TV? That's true integration out-of-the-box. Iphone is not.
Pretty much all subjective. Sure, there are some facts, like the camera bump, but whether or not this makes a difference to any individual is subjective. Bottom line, there is a pretty large android reality distortion field in effect and it's invisible.
 
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That is a great ad, sorry but it is.

So why are you apologizing? If you find it to be a great ad, then so be it, but you don't need to apologize to a bunch of random strangers on an Internet forum. It sounds rather sophomoric to even say "I'm sorry." It's Almost like as if you're looking for approval of your statement.
 
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Samsung has a good poke at Apple..... In fact, everyone is mean to Apple

(umm... that does look kinda one sided.)
 
They make one every year. They are funny sometimes. They had their turn last year with the battery debacle. Several of the android OEMs made digs against them on socical media.
 
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