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[DesterWallaboo]

I will probably get a bunch of smack for this... But I would much rather trust my data with Google than Apple. The amount of times I hear about iCloud accounts, celeb nudes, Apple data breaches, etc... I would just rather not...

Google on the other hand is actually doing positive things all around the world, for the greater good. Just compare each others keynotes from this year, one company only caring about profit and silly gimmicks, while the other focused on AI.

"The amount of times"... lol... you mean the two times it happened because hackers found a backdoor nobody knew about and Apple fixed? Or because the celebs that were using passwords like "password1234" somehow were shocked it wasn't secure?
[doublepost=1510599589][/doublepost]Google was my client for a decade.... they have ZERO ethics when it comes to your data. None. Nada. Zip. Which wasn't true with early Google. Back in the days when they knew how data could be used, and they actually had a conscience about it all.

 

[saile]

making fun of news iphones becomes a routine with samsung

 

[decafjava]

Link
Go ahead and start clicking through the lists. Since I answered your question, can you answer mine now? What good has Apple done for it's customers, or better yet, the world? What have they done for people without asking for money in return? Take your time, I'll still be here if you can come up with something.

These were alleged breaches which were mostly never proven or using passwords obtained elsewhere.
https://www.macworld.com/article/31...t-call-from-apple-about-an-icloud-breach.html

Plus as I said the so-called celebrity breach was classic phishing.

So Google is better because they don't charge money?

"If it's free you're the product not the customer"

 

[Regime2008]

"The amount of times"... lol... you mean the two times it happened because hackers found a backdoor nobody knew about and Apple fixed? Or because the celebs that were using passwords like "password1234" somehow were shocked it wasn't secure?
[doublepost=1510599589][/doublepost]Google was my client for a decade.... they have ZERO ethics when it comes to your data. None. Nada. Zip. Which wasn't true with early Google. Back in the days when they knew how data could be used, and they actually had a conscience about it all.

I have seen you claim that Google was your client at least twice now. You always claim how they are selling everyone's data while making it seem as if Apple is some saint. So please share with us, all these negative practices that Google does vs Apple. And also share your experience with Apple as your client, so you can have a non biased standpoint. Check this out for instance. At least I can opt IN or OUT of sharing my data, unlike with Apple.

This article seems to contradict your claims, and seems like Apple and Microsoft are actually worse than Google when it comes to sharing personal data.
https://decentralize.today/apple-vs...company-handles-your-data-better-a7022bd452b1

These were alleged breaches which were mostly never proven or using passwords obtained elsewhere.
https://www.macworld.com/article/31...t-call-from-apple-about-an-icloud-breach.html

Plus as I said the so-called celebrity breach was classic phishing.

So Google is better because they don't charge money?

"If it's free you're the product not the customer"

Google is better because they have several services that make the world better. Google search, Youtube, Gmail, Google Maps, Translate, and a plethora of many other services that are free to the public. What does Apple have to contribute? Let me guess, they have services exclusive to their closed in ecosystem, only available with the purchase of an Apple product?

 

[DesterWallaboo]

I have seen you claim that Google was your client at least twice now. You always claim how they are selling everyone's data while making it seem as if Apple is some saint. So please share with us, all these negative practices that Google does vs Apple. And also share your experience with Apple as your client, so you can have a non biased standpoint. Check this out for instance. At least I can opt IN or OUT of sharing my data, unlike with Apple.

This article seems to contradict your claims, and seems like Apple and Microsoft are actually worse than Google when it comes to sharing personal data.
https://decentralize.today/apple-vs...company-handles-your-data-better-a7022bd452b1

Google is better because they have several services that make the world better. Google search, Youtube, Gmail, Google Maps, Translate, and a plethora of many other services that are free to the public. What does Apple have to contribute? Let me guess, they have services exclusive to their closed in ecosystem, only available with the purchase of an Apple product?

I love how the article you cited doesn't actually carry specifics. Here... let me quote you the ENTIRE privacy statement from Apple that the article decided to not include:

"At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers. For example, when you purchase and activate your iPhone, you authorize Apple and your carrier to exchange the information you provide during the activation process to carry out service. If you are approved for service, your account will be governed by Apple and your carrier’s respective privacy policies. Personal information will only be shared by Apple to provide or improve our products, services and advertising; it will not be shared with third parties for their marketing purposes."
[doublepost=1510609039][/doublepost]I should add that Google's apparent 'opt-in and opt-out' that you are championing refers specifically to legally protected information... such as your healthcare information. EVERYTHING ELSE is fair game and they take and sell it to whomever they like.

https://www.apple.com/privacy/approach-to-privacy/
https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/

And the fact that Apple DOESN'T hand out your personal data or sell it to advertisers has angered them. There have been articles on this subject over the past couple of years. Where advertisers want personally identifiable data... something Apple doesn't sell.
[doublepost=1510609113][/doublepost]And there's this:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-apple-doesnt-need-your-personal-data/

 

[Regime2008]

"At times Apple may make certain personal information available to strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers. For example, when you purchase and activate your iPhone, you authorize Apple and your carrier to exchange the information you provide during the activation process to carry out service. If you are approved for service, your account will be governed by Apple and your carrier’s respective privacy policies. Personal information will only be shared by Apple to provide or improve our products, services and advertising; it will not be shared with third parties for their marketing purposes."
[doublepost=1510609039][/doublepost]I should add that Google's apparent 'opt-in and opt-out' that you are championing refers specifically to legally protected information... such as your healthcare information. EVERYTHING ELSE is fair game and they take and sell it to whomever they like.

So what other reasons do they share it for, since they don't deny sharing it at all, just not for marketing purposes? Are you sure Google doesn't allow you to opt in/out of things outside of "legally protected information"? I would imagine you would provide a link for reference...because a simple google search shows otherwise. I can completely opt out of sharing my data for ads and marketing. Its been in the settings for your Google account since....forever. As matter a fact, I am looking at it on my Pixel XL and Pixel C tablet, right now. Maybe you haven't used an Android device to know this?

 

[DesterWallaboo]

The opt-out that you are referencing only stops you from seeing personalized ads on your Android. It doesn't stop them from mining your data and selling it to others.

You understand the difference, right?

 

[Regime2008]

The opt-out that you are referencing only stops you from seeing personalized ads on your Android. It doesn't stop them from mining your data and selling it to others.

You understand the difference, right?

You understand that you could have looked up Google's policy?
https://privacy.google.com/how-ads-work.html

Notice how the very first thing you see on the page, written in BIG BOLD LETTERS:
We do not sell your personal information to anyone.
You understand what that means, right? The exact opposite of what you constantly spew around, with absolutely no factual data.

 

[Abazigal]

If you can use an iphone, you are smart enough to use a Samsung/Android. It is just excuses if you said otherwise.
Most android launchers also cater to the iphone crowd if you want boring grid of icons.

There are many areas I can think of that Apple didnt think about the design of the iphone.
- ugly camera bump
- notch
- notification mess
- centralized Settings mess
- overlapping 3D touch and long press
- non freely rearrangeable icons
etc

For me, I use an iPhone for what the Apple ecosystem gives me that the android platform does not - an integrated computing solution which just works out of the box.

I like how all my Apple devices play well with one another. Yes, I pay more upfront, but they more than pay for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

In the larger scheme of things, all the supposed drawbacks you mentioned above are small potatoes compared to what my Apple products let me do.

 

[Regime2008]

For me, I use an iPhone for what the Apple ecosystem gives me that the android platform does not - an integrated computing solution which just works out of the box.

I like how all my Apple devices play well with one another. Yes, I pay more upfront, but they more than pay for themselves in the form of greater productivity and fewer problems overall.

In the larger scheme of things, all the supposed drawbacks you mentioned above are small potatoes compared to what my Apple products let me do.

I wanted the same thing, which is why i went Android. It works out of the box. Not sure why you are inferring that this is not the case with Android? Especially as Android supports way more devices and home automation than Apple.

 

[Abazigal]

I wanted the same thing, which is why i went Android. It works out of the box. Not sure why you are inferring that this is not the case with Android? Especially as Android supports way more devices and home automation than Apple.

It’s the little things. Like how my Apple Watch integrates with my iPhone and how it actually looks like a decent piece of tech. My iPad mirrors to my Apple TV in the classroom (I am a school teacher) and AirPods sync across everything so nicely. Apple Pencil is awesome to use. Siri is the glue which holds all the various services together.

The tablet and smartwatch scene in android is a barren wasteland.

And AppleCare has been a lifesaver for the few times I had to use it.

I don’t use home automation, so I can’t comment on that.

Apple basically has the most rounded ecosystem. Maybe not all their products are best in class, but together, they seem to work better than a bunch of assorted android and windows devices tied together with third party services.

 

[KingslayerG5]

For the one around 2013, they should have shown the girl using the S-Pen but have it in split-view. Samsung really doesn't get enough credit for that back in 2012. Apple added it for iPads by 2014 (iOS8) and Google didn't add it until last year.

Split-view is pretty awesome. Much prefer over PiP on Oreo right now.

Repost pic. Dude got Samsung envy.

 

[Regime2008]

It’s the little things. Like how my Apple Watch integrates with my iPhone and how it actually looks like a decent piece of tech. My iPad mirrors to my Apple TV in the classroom (I am a school teacher) and AirPods sync across everything so nicely. Apple Pencil is awesome to use. Siri is the glue which holds all the various services together.

The tablet and smartwatch scene in android is a barren wasteland.

And AppleCare has been a lifesaver for the few times I had to use it.

I don’t use home automation, so I can’t comment on that.

Apple basically has the most rounded ecosystem. Maybe not all their products are best in class, but together, they seem to work better than a bunch of assorted android and windows devices tied together with third party services.

If Siri is the glue holding everything together, all of those things must have fallen apart. Siri is lacking in so many ways right now. Just about everyone who used both Android Wear watches and Apple watch, actually prefer them to Apple watch. A technology ecosystem needs to be able to be extended from outside of just phones and computers. It needs to integrate with your home and all of the appliances in the house. Apple cannot do this on the scale that Android can.

 

[mib1800]

Hah. I like the underhanded, passive aggressiveness you’ve got going on here. Super telling. It’s not excuses. I didn’t say I wasn’t smart enough to use an android. It’s not intuitive like an iPhone. I don’t know how else to explain this to you but to give an example.

It’s like if you were an artist and you’re given two brushes to choose from. One of them is super “fancy” sounding, with all of the latest tech thrown on it, but hasn’t had the time to test the heck out of it, to make sure it’s aware of the artist. The other is a well built brush, not as “fancy” but still tech-compatible. To a tech person whose just about the wow factor and not necessarily the art, they’re going to be taken in by brush 1. The people who care more about what they can produce with the brush, the artists, is going to want brush 2.

"You are feeling it wrong"

No need to talk about anything else. Just the main UI of iphone is not intuitive (or user friendly) at all. You won't see it if you don't open your mind. Why the confusing pull down from left/right or pull-up from top/bottom to get control/notification depending on which iphone you are using? Why have another separate control center that is so cluttered and confusing with all the toggles many you seldom use?. Why is widget screen hidden within notification and not visible all the time just like your car dashboard? Why are the less important notifications inter-mixed with important ones?

Android does it infinitely more intuitive. Just one universal pull down from status bar that shows your 6 most used toggles (that can be expanded for more) and notifications neatly organized or prioritized according to your needs

Ugly camera bump is what reminds me of an android. But really, it’s nbd since it’s in the top left hand corner of the back of the phone. It’s not like it’s in the middle of anything, where my fingers can easily reach.

Look at all other flagships today. No camera bump. Only Apple is so behind that they cannot do without the bump. Whatever excuses you gave, the big camera bump looks horrible on iphone esp the X.

ETA-at the end of the day, people want something they can use, that would connect them to the world. iOS interface is prettier then any android’s. There’s a reason Apple made a comeback the second time around...not only did they focus on the functionality of the hardware and software but the design of the product. They took a world of ugly PCs and made it pretty.

This is apple reality distortion.

Apple like every other companies has some well designed and some not so well designed products. IPX is one of the not good design with the notch and the camera bump. What apple has that others don't is to instill elitism, loyalty and premium-ness in their products through their well oiled marketing and customer service. How else do you think they can sell their lower/equal spec-ed phones (compared to others) at a huge premium price? Many are buying into this hype, that's all. You think iphone users (like you ) will give a second thought let alone explore about whether other products may or can be better than iphone? Most probably not. Why? Because your mind has been imprinted for so long that "apple is the best with the best tech and eco-system" and others are just lower class chinese/korean/japanese products that are knock-off or copycat of apple. However, I don't entirely fault apple that you are thinking this way since there are some manufacturers that are following or copying Apple trends. Of course on the flip side many tend to overlook or choose not to believe that Apple is also copying (and following) others.
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It’s the little things. Like how my Apple Watch integrates with my iPhone and how it actually looks like a decent piece of tech. My iPad mirrors to my Apple TV in the classroom (I am a school teacher) and AirPods sync across everything so nicely. Apple Pencil is awesome to use. Siri is the glue which holds all the various services together.

The tablet and smartwatch scene in android is a barren wasteland.

And AppleCare has been a lifesaver for the few times I had to use it.

I don’t use home automation, so I can’t comment on that.

Apple basically has the most rounded ecosystem. Maybe not all their products are best in class, but together, they seem to work better than a bunch of assorted android and windows devices tied together with third party services.

Just to show why you are so engrossed in Apple that you think others can't do the same or better. Just for the simple fact that you brought out mirroring. Do you know I can mirror my S8+ to any wifi-capable TV without needing to plug in apple tv box to TV? That's true integration out-of-the-box. Iphone is not.

 

[Abazigal]

Just to show why you are so engrossed in Apple that you think others can't do the same or better. Just for the simple fact that you brought out mirroring. Do you know I can mirror my S8+ to any wifi-capable TV without needing to plug in apple tv box to TV? That's true integration out-of-the-box. Iphone is not.

This is precisely what I mean. Android users who love to engage in spec-pissing matches without knowing the context and nature of my workflow.

I don’t have a WiFi-capable TV in my elementary school classroom, so your example is already moot (and largely irrelevant). I have a projector which I can hook up an Apple TV to and make use of using peer to peer airplay.

And why would I want to mirror my smartphone? To what end? It’s too small for what I use it for. I like that my iPad Pro comes with Apple Pencil support and tablet optimised apps and is just a great tablet to use all round, between it’s long battery life, 4g and light form factor.

And when you have an iPad, an iPhone makes sense because I can do stuff like fling files around via airdrop, sync files using iCloud Drive and share the same apps and peripherals.

It’s not just about whether something can be done. It’s about how it’s done, and I find that very often for me, Apple’s implementation tends to be more in line with how I want to get things done.

 

[mib1800]

This is precisely what I mean. Android users who love to engage in spec-pissing matches without knowing the context and nature of my workflow.

I don’t have a WiFi-capable TV in my elementary school classroom, so your example is already moot (and largely irrelevant). I have a projector which I can hook up an Apple TV to and make use of using peer to peer airplay.

And why would I want to mirror my smartphone? To what end? It’s too small for what I use it for. I like that my iPad Pro comes with Apple Pencil support and tablet optimised apps and is just a great tablet to use all round, between it’s long battery life, 4g and light form factor.

And when you have an iPad, an iPhone makes sense because I can do stuff like fling files around via airdrop, sync files using iCloud Drive and share the same apps and peripherals.

It’s not just about whether something can be done. It’s about how it’s done, and I find that very often for me, Apple’s implementation tends to be more in line with how I want to get things done.

That's just how it is for YOU that the apple eco-system is better because you chose to do it that way. It doesn't mean other eco-systems can't do the same or give the same satisfaction/simplicity that you got with apple eco-system.

On mirroring, what I said applies to tablet as well. If your tv doesnt have wifi, there are much cheaper (more portable) miracast suported dongles which achieve the same as apple tv.

On Apple pencil, I think S-Pen on samsung tablet is as good or better.

On iCloud, android can do similar functionalities (you name it - google, samsung, microsoft cloud - or any combinations of them which you can't do on apple)

You keep saying how it is done that matters. The apple way requires you to buy over-priced apple products for everything. That is something that matters in the negative way (money-wise & locked in) and add to this you can't leverage on existing non-apple equipments. Your comfort zone is within the apple world. Step outside of it and your life comes to a complete standstill.

 

[Abazigal]

That's just how it is for YOU that the apple eco-system is better because you chose to do it that way. It doesn't mean other eco-systems can't do the same or give the same satisfaction/simplicity that you got with apple eco-system.

On mirroring, what I said applies to tablet as well. If your tv doesnt have wifi, there are much cheaper (more portable) miracast suported dongles which achieve the same as apple tv.

On Apple pencil, I think S-Pen on samsung tablet is as good or better.

On iCloud, android can do similar functionalities (you name it - google, samsung, microsoft cloud - or any combinations of them which you can't do on apple)

You keep saying how it is done that matters. The apple way requires you to buy over-priced apple products for everything. That is something that matters in the negative way (money-wise & locked in) and add to this you can't leverage on existing non-apple equipments. Your comfort zone is within the apple world. Step outside of it and your life comes to a complete standstill.

Expensive doesn’t meant overpriced. Did you miss my earlier comment about how my Apple products have made me more productive and given me fewer problems overall?

Like I said, it’s how they all work together. The iPad is a better tablet than the galaxy tab, and the Apple Pencil a better writing experience than the tab stylus. iOS is home to more quality tablet apps than android, and this carries over to the iPhone as well. Games too.

My school did try this EZ-cast dongle. Not very impressed, because it connects to your device via WiFi which in turn overrides the school WiFi network. Connection also felt a little laggy.

And because all these products come under Apple, I know there is incentive for Apple to keep everything updated and working well with one another. The buck begins and ends with Apple. It’s just easier and more convenient for me to go all-in with a single vendor (who has a track record of timely software updates and good warranty support and the ability to integrate everything together on a hardware and software level) than cobble together a solution from a myriad of different OEMs, hope they all play well together and pray something doesn’t just fall apart some day.

At least with Apple, I know where I stand. So I spend more upfront? For what I am getting, it’s money well spent.

 

[mib1800]

Expensive doesn’t meant overpriced. Did you miss my earlier comment about how my Apple products have made me more productive and given me fewer problems overall?

Like I said, it’s how they all work together. The iPad is a better tablet than the galaxy tab, and the Apple Pencil a better writing experience than the tab stylus. iOS is home to more quality tablet apps than android, and this carries over to the iPhone as well. Games too.

My school did try this EZ-cast dongle. Not very impressed, because it connects to your device via WiFi which in turn overrides the school WiFi network. Connection also felt a little laggy.

And because all these products come under Apple, I know there is incentive for Apple to keep everything updated and working well with one another. The buck begins and ends with Apple. It’s just easier and more convenient for me to go all-in with a single vendor (who has a track record of timely software updates and good warranty support and the ability to integrate everything together on a hardware and software level) than cobble together a solution from a myriad of different OEMs, hope they all play well together and pray something doesn’t just fall apart some day.

At least with Apple, I know where I stand. So I spend more upfront? For what I am getting, it’s money well spent.

Expensive but provides about similar capabilities ==> that's my definition of over-priced.

Example: You want integration like apple "continuity/hand-off":

Using apple
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Price: Mac ($1300) + iphone X ($1000) = $2300


Using Galaxy (with free Samsung Sidesync)
============================
Price: PC ($1000) + S8 ($600) = $1600

 

[convergent]

Expensive but provides about similar capabilities ==> that's my definition of over-priced.

Example: You want integration like apple "continuity/hand-off":

Using apple
========
Price: Mac ($1300) + iphone X ($1000) = $2300


Using Galaxy (with free Samsung Sidesync)
============================
Price: PC ($1000) + S8 ($600) = $1600

Ok, I'm going to call foul on this one. Side Sync and Apple's ecosystem are not remotely the same. They each have pros and cons vs the other.

The guy likes the Apple ecosystem and you aren't going to convince him otherwise. It all does work (usually) and support is great. Sounds like his primary device is an iPad, and if you like that then you like it.

I get it. My wife has an iPhone and an iPad. That is all she needs and I'd never get her to switch. Life is too short to go through that. I've got two iPads that I've hardly ever used and wish I had sold off a long time ago. Never did it for me.

 

[The Game 161]

Ok, I'm going to call foul on this one. Side Sync and Apple's ecosystem are not remotely the same. They each have pros and cons vs the other.

The guy likes the Apple ecosystem and you aren't going to convince him otherwise. It all does work (usually) and support is great. Sounds like his primary device is an iPad, and if you like that then you like it.

I get it. My wife has an iPhone and an iPad. That is all she needs and I'd never get her to switch. Life is too short to go through that. I've got two iPads that I've hardly ever used and wish I had sold off a long time ago. Never did it for me.

Support is where apple are just the best out there, Had issues getting my air pods to work through the watch in both ears but the support they showed to get it fixed was top draw. this is where people underrate the importance of support. If your products are fine then great but if something does go wrong you know you can take it in store or contact them via chat to fix the issue. Samsung do great phones and i mean great phones but the rest of the products? meh not on the level of what apple offers in terms of watch and tablets.

 

[mib1800]

Ok, I'm going to call foul on this one. Side Sync and Apple's ecosystem are not remotely the same. They each have pros and cons vs the other.

The guy likes the Apple ecosystem and you aren't going to convince him otherwise. It all does work (usually) and support is great. Sounds like his primary device is an iPad, and if you like that then you like it.

I get it. My wife has an iPhone and an iPad. That is all she needs and I'd never get her to switch. Life is too short to go through that. I've got two iPads that I've hardly ever used and wish I had sold off a long time ago. Never did it for me.

You said pros and cons. Not just cons.

Not trying convince anyone. When the point is made that you are paying 50% more for something what is the justification? If you are using public money for purchase, can you justify spending 50% more by using "I feel it works better" as a reason?
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Support is where apple are just the best out there, Had issues getting my air pods to work through the watch in both ears but the support they showed to get it fixed was top draw. this is where people underrate the importance of support. If your products are fine then great but if something does go wrong you know you can take it in store or contact them via chat to fix the issue. Samsung do great phones and i mean great phones but the rest of the products? meh not on the level of what apple offers in terms of watch and tablets.

Well, look at it this way. Some brands give you full 2-years warranty. Apple gives you one. In many countries there are no apple centre/store in sight. In some countries, samsung offers S8/Note8 enhance warranty at extra $30 with one-time 50% discounted screen repair cost plus on-site support. How much apple charge again?

 

[Abazigal]

You said pros and cons. Not just cons.

Not trying convince anyone. When the point is made that you are paying 50% more for something what is the justification? If you are using public money for purchase, can you justify spending 50% more by using "I feel it works better" as a reason?
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Well, look at it this way. Some brands give you full 2-years warranty. Apple gives you one. In many countries there are no apple centre/store in sight. In some countries, samsung offers S8/Note8 enhance warranty at extra $30 with one-time 50% discounted screen repair cost plus on-site support. How much apple charge again?

But I am using my own money to pay for my own Apple products to use in my line of work as a teacher. I don’t need to justify anything to anyone so long as I deliver my KPIs for the year.

But to your point about justification, my answer is that not everything which can be measured matters, just as not everything which matters can be measured.

If you looked at the iPad in 2010, it had worse specs than any other tablet out there, but delivered better performance and a superior user experience. This shows that specs aren’t always the be-all and end-all of what makes a great product.

Just as there are tons of products with impressive specs on paper but it doesn’t translate to a great experience.

Wasn’t there news recently of how using Macs was saving IBM money in the long run from lower maintenance and support costs? If you look only at the upfront costs, feels like “penny wise, pound foolish” to me.

I can’t distill the benefits of my choice of devices into a a numerical value, but that doesn’t mean none exist.

 

[mib1800]

But I am using my own money to pay for my own Apple products to use in my line of work as a teacher. I don’t need to justify anything to anyone so long as I deliver my KPIs for the year.

You paying for it doesn't negate what I said about overpriced

But to your point about justification, my answer is that not everything which can be measured matters, just as not everything which matters can be measured.

If you looked at the iPad in 2010, it had worse specs than any other tablet out there, but delivered better performance and a superior user experience. This shows that specs aren’t always the be-all and end-all of what makes a great product.

Just as there are tons of products with impressive specs on paper but it doesn’t translate to a great experience.

Wasn’t there news recently of how using Macs was saving IBM money in the long run from lower maintenance and support costs? If you look only at the upfront costs, feels like “penny wise, pound foolish” to me.

I can’t distill the benefits of my choice of devices into a a numerical value, but that doesn’t mean none exist.

Only personal preference cannot be measured. Functionalities can be measured. Just like you can mirror your iPhone via apple TV, my S8+ can mirror directly. Outcome is the same.

I am not talking about benchmark specs per se but having the same functionalities. iPhone x blows galaxy away in benchmark but in actual real usage it lags behind in certain areas.

Why can't you give quantify your choice? I can and I have. Outcomes are very clear cut. Either you have or not.

 

[Abazigal]

You paying for it doesn't negate what I said about overpriced



Only personal preference cannot be measured. Functionalities can be measured. Just like you can mirror your iPhone via apple TV, my S8+ can mirror directly. Outcome is the same.

I am not talking about benchmark specs per se but having the same functionalities. iPhone x blows galaxy away in benchmark but in actual real usage it lags behind in certain areas.

Why can't you give quantify your choice? I can and I have. Outcomes are very clear cut. Either you have or not. Your iPhone can run facebook so can my S8+.

Because the user experience isn’t binary. It’s not simply a choice between whether something can be done or not, but also how well something works. And this is clearly going to be subjective because different people have different expectations and tolerance levels.

For example, both iOS and android can run Snapchat, but the ios version is reportedly better optimised than the android app. How do you put a value on the same app not working equally well on both platforms?

Yes, there are android tablets with styluses, but what is the writing experience like when you are fiddling with a skinny stylus compared to an Apple Pencil which is akin to a full-sized Pencil? What about factors such as the battery life, the reliability of the device or the app support?

Likewise, in the aforementioned case of mirroring, there are also various factors such as the stability of the connection, the smoothness of the mirroring, the latency etc which determine how well said feature works.

Specs don’t always tell the whole story.

 

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Whether something is overpriced or not is only relevant in their set of use cases and value. The Apple ecosystem has real value, and in some cases is a show stopper. For some people iMessage is a showstopper. When it comes to iPhones, the X "to me" is very overpriced. It provides no significant new function over an iPhone 7 or 8 other than cosmetic. It comes down to preferences. But that is just my opinion. To someone that buys an X, the Note 8 may be overpriced, even if it were $100, because they require iOS.

So I agree that Abazigal doesn't need to justify anything to anyone if he gets value from what he's bought. There isn't really a device that competes well with the iPad, to do what the iPad does. I bought a Surface Pro, but I don't like iPads and don't want what to me, is a big phone, to use as a tablet. I want something that works as a full function computer, and also as a tablet.