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New Siri Remote Lacks Accelerometer and Gyroscope for Gaming on Apple TV

It's funny how they fail to mention these small details (along with the new iPad and old Magic Keyboard) at the Spring Forward event? I really must start to try and prize myself out of this ecosystem before it's too late...
 
Razorpit said:
The number of consoles and accessories sold. The graphics card industry. The PC gaming industry compared to total number of AppleTV’s sold since Gen 1 (before they could even run games) would say no serious gamer would be playing on AppleTV.

I like the AppleTV. I even game occasionally on it. But lets be real here...
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ATV was a hobby project until maybe Gen3, Apple Arcade just came out with still clarity to be defined, a brand new CPU transition...It's too new to compare it to mature and in some cases declining platforms.
 
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bluespark said:
No, they don't want those sales. From Apple's perspective, a $39 streamer would be a loss leader for its far more lucrative streaming service. If other companies are willing to offer that streaming service, it's better to leave the low-revenue streaming products to others, especially since Apple would have to compromise its design and build principles to compete in that space.

As to merging the ATV with the HomePod, I'm sure that has been discussed, but it has serious downsides. The main one is probably that many (most?) ATV users tuck their ATV's into cabinets or place them behind TV's, etc. Many other ATV users rely on other audio devices (soundbars, external amps, etc.) and aren't necessarily interested in an Apple solution. In short, while there are some benefits to doing that (and I wouldn't entirely rule it out at some point), it's not an obvious win for Apple.
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Fair points. All I’m saying is one thing Apple is clearly lacking is AppleTV+ subscriptions - or at least widespread buzz and viewership of their original content. They are doing everything they can, like a free year of subscription when buying a device to get people to watch.

I think most people would want to watch those shows on their living room TV rather than phone or iPad. I see lowering the price of the AppleTV to give more people access to ATV+ subscriptions and therefore earn back much more over time in subs than tighter margins on the AppleTV itself.

Just like the HomePod Mini - I think they really could have benefitted from a $99 ATV for widespread adoption. Many people out there still have zero streaming devices (older folks, etc) and this would be the perfect way to get them into the game.
 
bluespark said:
As to merging the ATV with the HomePod, I'm sure that has been discussed, but it has serious downsides. The main one is probably that many (most?) ATV users tuck their ATV's into cabinets or place them behind TV's, etc. Many other ATV users rely on other audio devices (soundbars, external amps, etc.) and aren't necessarily interested in an Apple solution. In short, while there are some benefits to doing that (and I wouldn't entirely rule it out at some point), it's not an obvious win for Apple.
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1. Make it into a Soundbar. Partner with Sonos on it so it can replace a Sonos Beam.
2. Add a FaceTime camera, Center Stage, and a beam forming mic array.
3. And of course, include an Apple TV inside it.

I'd be thrilled to replace my Sonos Beam and Apple TV with that one product.
 
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I like our current Apple TV as is. Except for the horrible remote.
The remote update alone, will make me order the new Apple TV next friday.

The Apple TV text-input UI could need a little love too – that long line of letters is just horrible. Dear Apple, do like Youtube, LG text input or anyone else that have cracked this way better.
 
Fofer said:
You're missing the point. Even if all of that is true, are you suggesting that Apple should make zero changes to the AppleTV as a gaming platform, no attempts to attract any kind of gamers at all?

If not, what's your point? "Serious gamers?" Who cares?
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Apparently you do more than I do. They can make changes all they want but they are far away from being a top gaming company. They have fun, quirky offerings, but nothing like what you can find on the consoles and PC’s.

BeefCake 15 said:
ATV was a hobby project until maybe Gen3, Apple Arcade just came out with still clarity to be defined, a brand new CPU transition...It's too new to compare it to mature and in some cases declining platforms.
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AppleTV has been out since 2007 not counting the previous failed products. I guess you’re giving them a pass for not figuring it out over the last 15 years? 😂

Lemon Olive said:
I can. They wanted it to be $59, not $89.
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It’s a $1 chip at scale, at best, not an entire device.
 
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Amazon is killing in the internet mobile devices especially for the home like security devices, assistants, lights, streaming service but no match for Netflix offering. Apple is so far behind in streaming content that their focus is on the narrow type of independent artsy type subject matter that yo now see at the Oscar awards only. No appeal for mainstream audiences.
 
I don’t play games on my ATV - that’s what my game PC is for. If I did (and if the processor/graphics could handle it), I’d use an X-Box controller for it. It would be amazing if Apple would have put their M1 chip in the ATV and focused on bringing something like Steam aboard...
 
HiRez said:
This is devastating news for the twelve people in the world who do gaming on their ATV.
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It’s not about how many who are playing games on their ATV:s now, it’s about where Apple is going with the device.
Nowhere, as far as I can see.
And that’s a bit of a shame.
 
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Naraxus said:
No you're the one missing the point - that being that Apple has never been serious about gaming and it never will. Don't point me to AA. There's nothing there but glorified iOS titles.
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Razorpit said:
They can make changes all they want but they are far away from being a top gaming company. They have fun, quirky offerings, but nothing like what you can find on the consoles and PC’s.
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You're both missing the point in that there is still serious money to be made in the casual gamer's market, too.

All of this talk about "serious gamers" and how "far away [Apple is] from being a top gaming company" ignores the fact that there are lots and lots and lots of people out there who enjoy gaming, from time to time, on their wall-mounted big screen TV, and have zero interest in the overhead of a PS5 or Xbox. They do however love their AppleTV on HDMI input #1.

And they have money to spend on content, too.
 
Fofer said:
You're both missing the point in that there is still serious money to be made in the casual gamer's market, too.

All of this talk about "serious gamers" and how "far away [Apple is] from being a top gaming company" ignores the fact that there are lots and lots and lots of people out there who enjoy gaming, from time to time, on their wall-mounted big screen TV, and have zero interest in the overhead of a PS5 or Xbox. They do however love their AppleTV on HDMI input #1.

And they have money to spend on content, too.
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What kind of casual games can be had on this new hardware that can't be done with the existing ATV4K?
 
spokenblurb said:
Well this clenches it for me I’m definitely gonna wait because there probably gonna drop another Apple TV that’s gaming focused that’s gonna include what people really wanted. LOL
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I’m waiting for that as well. Other then the great update to the remote, this felt like Apple just doesn’t want to make the A10X anymore.
 
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ipedro said:
Speaking of the remote, are those screws or smart connectors for a dock?View attachment 1762398

EDIT: Never mind! Saw it in AR: screws.
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I’m surprised Apple didn’t hide the screws, but I personally like to see assembly details when they are nice and polished like this over hiding things behind adhesive. This probably also aids recycling. I would love to see Apple take more steps away from adhesive. The AirPods Max are another great example. Those headphones are beautiful inside and out.
 
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Just use the iPhone as your controller, still has a gyroscope built in and is a way better experience anyway.
 
diamond.g said:
What kind of casual games can be had on this new hardware that can't be done with the existing ATV4K?
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I don't know and perhaps none are available (yet?) but neither this question nor its eventual answer negate the point I was trying to make, anyway.
 
Fofer said:
I don't know and perhaps none are available (yet?) but neither this question nor its eventual answer negate the point I was trying to make, anyway.
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You could very well be right, I just wasn’t sure I was missing something that this hardware would bring that could move the needle with respect to gaming on the Apple TV.
 
Fofer said:
You're both missing the point in that there is still serious money to be made in the casual gamer's market, too.

All of this talk about "serious gamers" and how "far away [Apple is] from being a top gaming company" ignores the fact that there are lots and lots and lots of people out there who enjoy gaming, from time to time, on their wall-mounted big screen TV, and have zero interest in the overhead of a PS5 or Xbox. They do however love their AppleTV on HDMI input #1.

And they have money to spend on content, too.
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I agree there is money to be made, but CandyCrush doesn’t exactly provide a Horizon Zero Dawn experience.
 
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