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New Surface Pro 4 Ad Takes on Apple's 'What's a Computer?' iPad Pro Campaign
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Disclaimer: I didn't read past the part I quoted.
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The SP type cover does have a proper track pad. Especially the latest iteration.
Not easy enough! Imagine some power suit, which lets you walk as fast as a car and be strong like a bulldozer without even the need to learn how to drive or make a drivers license. That's what iPad is.
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Better assume it is already mentioned but currently surface computer with windows is more productive than an iPad.
However, if Microsoft moves to all windows store app approach and follow what Apple does, maybe Apple then can bash Microsoft the same way.
However, if Microsoft moves to all windows store app approach and follow what Apple does, maybe Apple then can bash Microsoft the same way.
And this sci-fi/marketing nonsense has exactly what to do with crap you got called out on?
You were spewing utter nonsense, I guess I finally convinced you of that, but instead of a sane response, this is what you post?
Is this the new koolaid drinker technique. When you paint yourself into too much of a corner just change the subject with something ridiculous?
I've used it. It gets the job done, sure, but it's not a trackpad like a Macbook trackpad. It's not even as good as Lenovo trackpad, and those are pretty bad. It reminds me of my old HP netbook trackpad. It technically worked, but if there was any other mouse available, I would use that instead.
Microsoft says 50% of users use the pen. But I find your survey of 3 office workers far more conclusive. Still beating that SP keyboard cost extra drum when Apple is charging for the pen and its insanely cr*ppy smart cover?
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Please check out what people do with excel sometime. Spread sheets become involved text production docs
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I think it's a fair ad, as well as classy. Hard to believe how this company seems to be changing for the better since Nadella took over.
On topic, I'd be very interested in an iPad Pro if it had some additional connectivity and ran MacOs. Until that happens, if ever, my MBP complements my iMac very well.
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I own a surface 3 and I agree with this commercial 100%. It beats the iPad in every way possible. As the IT person for my company, I plan on switching out all of our ipads for surfaces soon.
I'm still amazed Apple has not come out with a full OSX tablet.
The only thing I think the iPad has going for it is the Stylus ( i refuse to call it a pencil). the pressure sensitivity of it with the ipad screen is pretty amazing and feels pretty great,( except for the ridiculous price, and lack of buttons, and stupid way of charging it) Well, maybe it's not that great after all. LOL
My surface stylus works great but I'd like to see more levels of pressure. (To be honest, they may have improved apon this with the surface Pro 4 as I haven't tried one yet.)
I think the problem here is that people are still conflating laptop=tablet.
The iPad Pro, iPad, iPhone, iPod and so forth are entertainment devices. They are not productivity devices. The iPad Pro is the closest you get to a productivity device due to the keyboard and stylus options. Software has to work without these accessories.
That said, the Surface stopped being a productivity device with the Surface Pro 3, and the Surface Pro series is both a poor "tablet" and a poor "laptop", you would only consider the Surface Pro 2 if you could not afford a Wacom Cintiq Companion. The SP3 and later threw away any advantage they had over the Wacom to be cheaper.
A "OS X" tablet would be a poor device just like the Windows "tablet" computers thus far have been. They don't do anything better than a laptop, therefor you don't buy one over a laptop. Running "full" windows applications in tablet mode is a miserable experience. The advantage OS X has, is that software is typically designed around one-button input, so making software touch-compatible isn't as much of a stretch over Windows, which all applications are designed around two-buttons, with context-menus often being on the right-mouse button.
So counter point:
I've used an iPad 3 since release as a portable SSH terminal. The place where the the iPad fails the most is the lack of the full set of keys (iPad's have no Function keys (F1-F12)) which makes trying to use command-line tools difficult with an external keyboard, and the F-keys have to be pressed through the on-screen keyboard's custom buttons.
This is why the iPad is a better tablet than the surface. Software is actually designed to work on the iPad as a tablet, and the functionality is constant. Where as Windows based tablets have no software designed for it as a tablet other than Microsoft's own apps. While it may be an advantage to run legacy Windows software on it, it's such a huge hassle to use that people wish they had bought a real laptop.
But trying to use the iPad with software not designed around the iPad's user interface (eg SSH terminals) shows you exactly what kind of miserable experience you would have if Apple released a "tablet" OS X device. Tablet devices are not for typing (productivity, programming) they are for entertainment and entertainment authoring (think Adobe Photoshop and Premiere.) An iOS device however lacks the necessary performance and disk space to be used for professional entertainment authoring. You use the iOS device for electronic news gathering in the field, now you can have a journalist everywhere and not just where you can get a news van into.
I would like to take this perhaps in another direction. We know that based on benchmarks, the iPad Pro is a beast of a machine. It outperforms my Late 2013 Macbook Pro. Now of course newer Macbook Pros and computers will be faster, but given the exponential performance increases, we are going to see processor speeds rivaling those from Intel.
My belief is that Apple will continue on their development trajectory and continue to refine a new model of computing. Microsoft has tried to shoehorn a desktop operating system into a tablet and every time I use my Surface Pro, it's obvious. Newer versions of the Surface recognized that it is not really a tablet and have optimized to be a laptop with the capability to be a tablet if needed. But that iPad has always been a tablet and is optimized for that.
I suspect that Apple will continue to refine this and add features to make the iPad Pro a true desktop replacement. No it will not have a USB port (well... it might go USB 3) No it won't have a mouse. No it won't run "full Photoshop", but that's not the plan. The plan is to make a great tablet computer. That mean optimizing for touch input. That means focusing on wireless technologies. That means encouraging developers to make new apps specifically designed for touch and tablet use.
I suspect that iOS 10 will have some more tricks up its sleeve which continues the march to make the desktop-class computer more and more irrelevant for more people.
My belief is that Apple will continue on their development trajectory and continue to refine a new model of computing. Microsoft has tried to shoehorn a desktop operating system into a tablet and every time I use my Surface Pro, it's obvious. Newer versions of the Surface recognized that it is not really a tablet and have optimized to be a laptop with the capability to be a tablet if needed. But that iPad has always been a tablet and is optimized for that.
I suspect that Apple will continue to refine this and add features to make the iPad Pro a true desktop replacement. No it will not have a USB port (well... it might go USB 3) No it won't have a mouse. No it won't run "full Photoshop", but that's not the plan. The plan is to make a great tablet computer. That mean optimizing for touch input. That means focusing on wireless technologies. That means encouraging developers to make new apps specifically designed for touch and tablet use.
I suspect that iOS 10 will have some more tricks up its sleeve which continues the march to make the desktop-class computer more and more irrelevant for more people.
I like the ad, I like windows, but Microsoft still has huge problems. Force updating windows 8.x users to 10.0. It cost me a lot of time and effort when my pc choked on the upgrade. Three years of power, fan and battery issues on Surface Pro 3 and 4. A myariad of surface book snarls. 2015 should have been a slam dunk for the "new" microsoft and it all looks pretty shakey, still. Hoping for the best in 2017
But the iPad is an iPad. It was never intended to be a computer. If you need a computer get a computer.
I think of this as example of the utopian post pc strain that runs through MR ipad threads. If the plan were to make a great tablet computer, I think they are there. Its awesome, the pen is awesome. If the plan is to extend this to non graphics applications requiring external storage, precise pointing, 3d viewports, an exposed file finder, etc: Its not happening
So you define a computer by being able to run photoshop? Full photoshop? I take it anything with Linux is out then.
Dude, I don't care about Surface. If you end up running Windows the joke is on you. Just know, the iPad is how it is on purpose and there is nothing wrong with it. If you need a more capable desktop OS that's fine, but don't bring it to a tablet fight and claim you have a winner, you don't.
Surface is just another rubbish Windows PC.
Just saw on Twitter that Steve Martin was asking if a mouse was possible with an iPad. He has a BT keyboard and, I suppose, has grown tired of reaching over it to select things. In this way, the surface is more like a computer from today.
Most of the engineers in my office have moved from a workstation to a surface pro 4. Doing complicated design of structures etc
Most use the Surface screen to read PDF's, looks at models on the go, do there calculations etc
And guess what? They can simply dock it in and display their programs on any screen they like....
But oh, guess we are not professional enough for you....Go draw a doodle on your little toy you while your at it.
Welp. Looks like I was wrong. I vaguely remembered it starting at like 64 or something. My brain must be out of date
It's ridiculous how this industry seems incapable of communicating proper category names for its products. Of course tablets, smartphones and even smartwatches are all computers, they are just not personal computers or PCs. Which also includes Macs as well as IBM-compatible Windows-PCs, of whom some are in Tablet-PC form factor, which is not the same as being a tablet. More like a hybrid between tablet and personal computer, unless you call it a 2-in-1 then it's probably both? Utter confusion!
So you don't like it. You would like a Surface without problems, but that's not what you get.
Both the Surface and the iPad are computers. Arguing that is pretty dumb. They have a microprocessor, RAM, storage, display and input peripherals. Saying something isn't a computer because you're comparing it to the past is asinine.
Now that's being said, I think what Microsoft really is saying is that the iPad isn't a laptop. The fact is that the Surface Pro *is* a laptop with a gimmicky (but somewhat usable) tablet form factor. It's a convertible device, but it doesn't do the tablet form factor particularly well.
Likewise, the iPad is a tablet and not a laptop.
Apple should return fire and excuse the Surface Pro of not being a tablet. Poor battery life, hot, fans, heavy, few touch-optimized apps... requires a trackpad and/or stylus to use effectively. Should be a pretty easy ad to shoot.
Now that's being said, I think what Microsoft really is saying is that the iPad isn't a laptop. The fact is that the Surface Pro *is* a laptop with a gimmicky (but somewhat usable) tablet form factor. It's a convertible device, but it doesn't do the tablet form factor particularly well.
Likewise, the iPad is a tablet and not a laptop.
Apple should return fire and excuse the Surface Pro of not being a tablet. Poor battery life, hot, fans, heavy, few touch-optimized apps... requires a trackpad and/or stylus to use effectively. Should be a pretty easy ad to shoot.
Do you expect people to believe that?
Are you telling me an infrastructure engineer can use a tiny 12" screen?
the bare minimum is 22", dual almost a necessity!
If they are going to use it docked, then what's the point in buying an underpowered and expensive laptop that says it's a tablet?