I love the hybrid concept, but would love it more at 14" screen and viao canvas internals. Maybe surface book 2?
anyway, amazed at how this segment is filling in
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I love the hybrid concept, but would love it more at 14" screen and viao canvas internals. Maybe surface book 2?
anyway, amazed at how this segment is filling in
For one, hyphenation, which is the main factor precluding me from buying an iPad Pro and a keyboard cover (whether it's an Apple one or that backlit behemoth from Logitech, I don't really care; I have an 80-page thesis to write and I am not doing it by tapping on a screen). I already sent them negative feedback mentioning it, and I wasn't alone in doing so. I mean, a word processor that can't keep text formatting consistent across devices running *the same freaking version/generation* isn't very dependable, IMHO.
Then again, Microsoft not offering feature parity across platforms (unlike, say, *gasp* Adobe, Serif or even Apple, which would rather mutilate the desktop version of iWork and start anew than clutter its mobile version – a controversial move which I think was actually smart and strategic, and prevented idiotic situations like this) used to be par for the course back in the dark ages of the M$ MacBU. Here was I thinking that their recent push towards mobile, cloud-based solutions (OneDrive seems to work decently enough) and subscriptions (I'm not too happy with those but hey, if they work and if I'm offered one – which I was, through my University –, sure, why not using it?) would mean that I would finally, as an Apple user, get a consistent experience but, alas, nope, it wasn't meant to be. It's Microsoft we're talking about here, I should've known better.
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If you're planning to use the Surface Pro as a laptop, which is what it is with crappy tablet capability and only a few tablet optimized apps.
You'd make a good Jehovah's Witness going door to door.
But aside from that, I can assure you there is NOTHING magical about the iPad anymore. It's just a portable screen with no SD memory card slot to expand storage nor any compartment to increase RAM. Can you do any of those two to make your iPad last 5-10 years?
I didn't think so.
But with my 2010 iMac which is still going strong., I can. Sure, the Surface comes with a fixed amount of RAM and storage but it can go past the 4 GB RAM marker that iPad Pro is in.
Better yet, it has a SSD memory card slot without being a slave to the unreliable Cloud. Memory card = more secure and off grid than relying on the Cloud.
The longer your beloved Cook stays on board, the more skewed the iPad will become. Or iOS, should I say.
So you say tablets are great so one doesn't need a trackpad? Do you understand what you're really saying? The tablet IS a giant trackpad that tracks your fingers with multi touch gestures.
In fact, even a Wacom digitizer is like that as well. It's just a tool for me to do my creative work professionally. NOT some kind of sick religious experience.
Those who have sick religious zealotry with electronic products need some psychotherapy.
And that beloved messiah of the iPad you worship?
.....he ain't coming back. Ever.
So if you think the iPad is magical, are you gonna tell a kid that there's magic behind traffic lights and that you can change the lights with the snap of your fingers?
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That, plus you don't need to hire a system administrator to connect to your printer.
You know what's becoming irrelevant?
Tim Cook, Cue, Jony and Williams. And probably Schiller. And the Beats fools.
This idea of desktops being irrelevant is not going to happen for a long time and I suspect desktops will evolve into VR and AR class operating systems straight of " Ghost in the Shell " ( oh wait, that's already happening ). None of the Apple products are capable of handling the next generation of VR.
Just watch. Immersive OSes will be a big thing. Think Minority Report in the fullest scale.
Not this tappity swipe swipe tap tap utopian crackpot crap. The idea of touchscreen has run its course and is not new anymore. The only thing they can reinvent is an OS to be more powerful and that requires....bigger specs and better internals. Not gimped crap.
iOS will never make desktops obsolete as long as they gimp the products by not adding in the option to increase memory and storage but also it must evolve into a desktop hybrid like.....Surface in order to handle everything.
in all firness, there are external storage options via lightning.
Compared to SD Cards they are more expensive, but...
"In the past". It wasn't long ago.
The issue they had to put it against the iPad is the hardware wasn't there at that time. Now that they are in rev 4 it makes sense to try to get people to move away from the iPads and MacBooks. This is being basically touted as your all in one replacements for on the move. No need to carry two devices when you can do both in one.
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Those are new and need to use the drive app to see your stuff. Not good if you want to have a variety of file types.
Apple is being dumb by not letting us at least have central storage location.
fully agree! Apple should finally have some kind of "drive" app (not iCloud or any other **** cloud. I want to own my data) where you can mount whatever you want, must like the Finder in OSX.
Also iOS should be able to backup to time machine, must like Mac is.
It really is embarrassing as advertisement. Apple has a clever and usually strong marketing team, but this ad explains nothing to the consumer that we don't already know. It should scream "Hey, buy me for certain features." And it does not fulfill this at all. The Apple Pencil and keyboard conversion is not enough to warrant my money for a purchase.
Even though I prefer an iPad in most situations, I was disappointed in Apple's promo for the iPad after seeing this.
Thing is via direct vendor buys/dl's SP will always have the option to be out of the store. A redeeming quality to many. With mac os unless I have no choice I always get vendor direct and except for 1-2 apps have never used the application store except to see what OS updates need installing before install.
on desktop OS I have seen the whoops something in patch/update not right. here is a corrected update/hotfix in no time at all.
on iOS I saw a mail app my CEO likes have a noticeable bug in a new release. Wrote vendor, they said yes we know of this issue, update submitted, awaiting apple clearing the update. Sorry for the inconvenience but please hit the app store daily to see when it drops. Long couple of days there...made longer by CEO really liking that feature.
We can argue security and such. We can also argue prudent downloads and installs does the same thing in less restrictive scenarios.
If iPad Pro was a big deal, why didn't Apple create an SSD slot for it to make it more of a pro product? Surface has a huge advantage because of that without needing to use the Cloud but also it boots up pretty quickly.
Oh and Surface can run all desktop apps, optimized for the device: iPad? Not so much. Maybe photoshop "light" but it can't run an actual full desktop version of it. There's a reason why many professionals like the assurance of a hybrid machine capable of both environments.
And if you don't remember, Apple DID have a hybrid OS. I have an old G4 tower that had Mac OS 9 Classic and OS X and I toggle between the two when I have to until they completed the transition to OS X.
Makes sense. It would be nice to have a dual display. I wouldn't mind running Twitter and Safari on one, while I have a spreadsheet and a word document on the other. However, with the iPad Pro 9.7 only having 2Gs of RAM, this may not be possible at all.
Hardware wasn't there? What are you talking about? The Surface Pro has had all the main features from day 1, pen + touch screen, compact form factor, and removable (sold separately) keyboard. Each rev is just a refinement (better internals, tweaked design, etc). Overall, it's still the same concept from 1 to 4. MS thought they could fight the iPad, and it didn't work because as a tablet, the Surface is truly lacking. MS finally did the smarter move by positioning the SP against Macbooks. Against traditional laptops, the Surface Pro has a fighting chance, and it worked.
Now, going back against the iPad is not wise. It will only remind people how lacking the SP is as a tablet.
I really don't think you understand his mindset when saying this. He meant for everyday people. And a lot of us agree. If I wasn't a developer, I wouldn't buy a laptop. Period. My iPad Pro is more than enough for my needs and the needs of a lot of people. He is specifically talking about a market of people who have basic needs and are choosing which is the best device for them. A laptop or a tablet. Which will win out for them? Have people bought laptops in situations where a tablet would have actually made them happier, but because they overestimated their needs, they stuck with what they already knew and stuck with a laptop?
There are big things to think about here
50% of users "use" the pen. Sure, if "use" means playing with it on day 1 to doodle stuff, and then putting it away for safekeeping. People around me that use SP4s are professionals, and they use it as a laptop. I'm not denying that the pen has its use, but it's a niche target.
iPad is a tablet first and foremost, and it doesn't change on the iPad Pro as it was on the iPad 1. The keyboard and pen are optional (you can already use practically any bluetooth keyboard on the iPad 1), and there if the user wants it. Without them, the iPad is fine, it's a tablet afterall.
The keyboard on the SP4 is a must since it is practically a laptop. Even Microsoft always shows the SP4 with its keyboard attached, just like in this ad, yet when people want to buy one they found out they have to buy the keyboard separately. The SP4 is a laptop, where you have to pay extra for the keyboard.
Again, to their credit, Microsoft did "fix" it with the Surface Book, where finally the keyboard is included, like it's supposed to.
Says Pilgrim1099 to a third generation atheist.
I don't take assurances from pilgrims.
My iPad 3 is now approaching 4 1/2 years, never did I want more storage or memory; more CPU speed and less weight is what I wanted. So I bought an iPad Air 2 and handed the iPad 3 down to family, where it serves as wireless TV without a problem 1GB RAM is enough.
I don't care about the iPad Pro, it's for people who want to use the pencil. I'm fine with just 2GB RAM.
The cloud is for sync, not for storage. I store everything on the iPad. 64GB ought to be enough.
No, you shouldn't say anything. The iPad will outlive Tim Cook, because it's fine as it is and doesn't need to become something else.
No, I'm saying if it has a trackpad, it's not a tablet.
You're confusing trackpads with touchscreens. They are not the same, dummy!
Nope, I'll tell them nothing they don't need to know to use an iPad. Let all this legacy knowledge of how the computers of old used to work disappear! No jumper settings, no registry, no autoexec.bat ... I find it amusing that Microsoft thinks, I want to run full Office on my iPad. External ports and a trackpad? Ridiculous!
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Good for you then, want a cookie?
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Do you have the SP4?
The Macbook is as "obsolete" as all Windows laptops out there. Guess what, regular ultrabooks still outsell the SP4. Look at the latest HP Spectre. Super thin, no touch screen.
And look where are all the Windows tablets are. There were so many of them when Windows 8 was released, but pretty much non-existant today. The iPad is still the king of tablets.
The SP4 is a good product on its own, for its niche target. Pitting it against laptops (Macbooks) makes sense since it is a laptop. Positioning it as a tablet against the iPad is poor strategy. Not only it doesn't offer great tablet experience, MS did try that strategy in the past and it failed.
SP pen is niche because you and 2 friends say it is? If its so niche, why did apple make a pencil?