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The Atom is a little kinder with TDP. But eventually your fan will clog up; just a matter of time. When you crack it open to clean it out (if you have the tools and patience), you'll be horrified just how piddly and pathetic the cooling system is.

I'm infinitely glad MS got their butts together and sorted the thermal system with the SP4.

Surface 3 doesn't have a fan.
 
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(I do enjoy my iPad, and really wish Apple would just release an OSX tablet that can run both OSX and iOS apps... but for now iPad + SP3 will have to do)

That would be very difficult because macOS runs on Intel and iOS runs on ARM. Also, macOS is not touch-optimized at all. My guess is that Apple will make iOS more powerful in the coming years, rather than try to migrate macOS to ARM and touch-based devices.
 
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I'd argue that the best thing the iPad has going for it is the huge assortment of high-quality touch-enabled apps available for it.

The fundamental problem is those apps are iPhone apps scaled up. They have the same core functionality as an iPhone app.

The question is, is it easier for a developer to take a desktop app and modify the UI to make it touch-compatible, or is it easier for them to port all the features of the desktop app into a mobile app? The answer, from a developer perspective is the former.
 
So.....Microsoft is ripping on their own apps because they're "just the app versions" of their better apps? I'm not sure how this is a smart business move for Microsoft. I use Office 365 on my iPad all day long and am actually very happy with it, so it's weird to see the company that makes Office 365 for iPad tell me that I shouldn't like it.
 
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Apple pulled a Microsoft with the iPad. In 2010, there were no desktop processors which could work in a tablet device and give necessary battery life, so the iPad had to be a glorified iPhone. They underestimated Intel in this aspect. Now Apple is stuck with apps that are just phone apps on a bigger screen, while Microsoft has a platform that lets you do real work. Sorry to say, Tim Cook won't have the guts to abandon the iPad on iOS and keep dumping resources into a platform that's a toy.

You might be right about the beginnings of the iPad but you're not giving the new A series chips the credit they deserve. The iPad Pro has a seriously powerful processor in it. There's little if anything the surface can do that the iPad can't due to processor power. Having said that, there is plenty the surface can do that the iPad can't because of numerous other features. The processor just isn't the iPads weakness.
 
Why would you not want extra features? Why do you prefer a larger iPhone in the size of a tablet instead of a tablet running full Mac os?
Haha. You want a "tablet running full mac os" then get a Macbook Air. A tablet has a touchscreen and the OS is made for touch, what would you do with the touch-feature on the Mac OS? You would have bought an expensive touch surface for no reason.
 
I'd argue that the best thing the iPad has going for it is the huge assortment of high-quality touch-enabled apps available for it. Without those apps, a tablet has little reason for being. How often does the average Surface user actually use their device as a tablet versus running the same old keyboard+mouse apps that any ordinary Wintel laptop can manage? The closest thing to a killer tablet app the Surface has is OneNote, but it also exists on the iPad.

This problem isn't limited to the Surface, either: the Samsung Galaxy Note tablets suffer from the same problem.

Good point. Although I use the Surface as a tablet everyday. Apps are a huge plus for the iPad. The only reason I actually purchased Surface Pro 4 was because I needed a machine running a native Windows 10 that corporate tech support would actually support. I had a lot of problems running their solutions on my Mac, even with Windows 10 via Boot Camp.

Still, the device has grown on me. I pretty much stopped using the Retina Macbook I purchased for traveling. Nothing can ever replace the iMac for me. I absolutely love that thing :)
 
Hello Apple! We've been asking for a tablet with OS X for a long long time. Now even Microsoft is ahead of you. Microsoft...SMH
Apple is right. macOS on an iPad would be a bigger disaster than Windows 8 and the same people clamoring for it today would be the first to bash it when it actually came out. It would require emulation (since iPads run ARM, and an x86 iPad would have very bad battery life), and none of the macOS library of applications is touch-optimized.
 
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Interesting. I left Windows in 2008. Why did you go back?

I recently purchased a Dell XPS 13 9350. I initially bought it for work, as I also have a Macpro with Retina. After using it for a few weeks, I've begun using it almost exclusively now. For one, I think that Windows 10 aesthetically looks and feels cleaner to me than Mac OS. I love the live tiles and I think they've done a great job redesigning the start button and how it functions.

I admit, I miss some features (particularly being able to imessage) and the trackpads on macs are miles ahead of windows, but aside from those few things, I really enjoy the XPS.
 
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"Full office."

Isn't Microsoft the one advertising that Office 360 is a better experience because you can have the "Full office" experience on any device?

Yes...but office 365 is the subscription. It allows you to download the full desktop version of office, as well as use the app/mobile version. It refers to the subscription service, like adobe cloud.
 
Microsoft has a point. If Apple weren't so cocky and claim the iPad Pro is a full blown computer they wouldnt be mocked this way (1st with tim cook claiming he can do everything on an ipad and 2nd with their stupid commercial). The iPad is a consumer device with a bit of productivity capabilities. Its nice as an extension, for when you go on holiday or whatever. But to replace your computer with an iPad, then you dont really need a PC in general for the work you are doing, you could probably do the same stuff on a phone.

The iPad mini 4 is more powerful than the supercomputer (Cray) in Sneakers. An iPad Pro is twice that powerful.
 
That would be very difficult because macOS runs on Intel and iOS runs on ARM. Also, macOS is not touch-optimized at all. My guess is that Apple will make iOS more powerful in the coming years, rather than try to migrate macOS to ARM and touch-based devices.

The simulator runs well on OSX. They could use that as the basis for running native iOS apps on OSX. In theory you can then get either full screen iOS apps (full screen simulator), and also run them in a window. Just like how the "Modern" apps work on Windows. Eventually once thats built in there could then even tighter integration between OSX and iOS when on the same device.

Windows wasn't touch optimized either, until there was a need for it. Apple controls the hardware and software, they can add touch support to OSX. They might even have a touch optimized version just not available to the public yet (ie, just like how there was an Intel version of OSX being developed "in secret").
 
Can I run the full version of Photoshop on an iPad - NO
on Surface Pro - YES

So guess which one is a "computer"?
You can't run Photoshop on Linux. Does that mean machines running Linux aren't 'computers'.
This is a silly debate. They're all computers. iPhones are computers. Apple Watches are computers.
Just ones with different operating systems and different focus.
I remember Paul Therrott saying that the iPad wasn't a computer because it didn't have a fan.

I'm pretty much 100% iPad Pro and 90% happy. Yup have to turn to a computer once every couple of months for something. Within a fairly short time even that won't be necessary.
My concern with iPad is that its still 'downstream' of the iPhone, with Apple failing to make changes that could be done if it were more of a focus.
 
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Haha. You want a "tablet running full mac os" then get a Macbook Air. A tablet has a touchscreen and the OS is made for touch, what would you do with the touch-feature on the Mac OS? You would have bought an expensive touch surface for no reason.

Then why is Apple pushing the "smart keypad" if the tablet is made simply for touching?

Also, Macbook air is beyond outdated. Whether you agree with it, Apple is definitely losing customers to Microsoft's Surface. So you can keep touting about how its a touch device and a full OS shouldn't run on it, but there is clearly a market for it.
 
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iPad is the best computer for 80% of computer users in the world.

The remaining 20% actually need and know how to maintain a computer with a full fledged os. The best computer for us is a OS X/Windows/Linux machine.

Sales figures already reflect this.
 
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