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How is the capsule running?
Fine, Sits there being the DHCP Server, Primary Wifi Network, and Time Machine for the server and 2 Macbooks.
I had an internet outage last week for a couple of days, and I was still able to watch videos from the Mac Mini Server to devices over the wifi using Air Video and Plex without issue.
 
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Actually running many computers. I find NAS systems underperform greatly. Easier to network computers and share files across. Much faster usually. Especially when 80% is running on one system a Mac Studio.
No way. With the folder sharing nonsense and passwords and having to remember strange logins that don't apply across all systems etc. and then sharing folders won't share even though you've set it all up and given permission etc.

NAS is purpose built for it and usually comes with software you can put on machines in the network that interface with it in the background.
 
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Yes, I agree! I have a UDMSE and this is what I'll be purchasing in the future. I have an 8T raid G-Raid, but I need network storage for my photos and media.
Am waiting to pull the trigger when they fix allowing to set tm drive size. Moving away from my promise drives which are way faster but not supported & synology with the expensive drive lock-in put me off years ago. 10Gb at no extra cost will have to suffice! 🤣
 
- I hate Synology HDD DRM solution for kidnapping the market. I have seen prices increased 100$ for just a 8TB HDD compared to a Seagate IronWolf Pro (top NAS solution from Seagate). Imagine for a 16 or 20TB HDD. What’s the difference 200$ or more? WTF.
Above 16TB, they only offer "Enterprise" models. Their 20TB is almost double the price of a comparable IronWolf Pro. The comparison to Apple storage pricing isn't wrong.
 
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UNAS Pro or could wait for the rumoured desktop NAS.
UNAS Pro doesn't support iSCSI, its NFS support isn't stable yet, it only supports a single storage pool, no Docker/VM support, and many further limitations, so depending on use case it isn't the best choice.
 
Synology offers excellent choices for a Plex server.

I suggest getting a Synology box with Intel CPU, so that you can take advantage of Plex hardware transcoding. This requires the purchase of PlexPass, but will allow you to playback your Plex media anywhere, from any device, and the Synology box (with Intel iGPU, or iGPU) will handle the transcoding (reformatting) of the media to "fit" any device, on you network or remote (say, a friend in another state, or you on the cellphone watching while waiting at the DMV).

The best starting point presently is the DS423+ [https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS423+]. It has an Intel Celeron J4125 and works great for NAS duties, including Plex services. PlexPass is currently expensive, at around $250 for lifetime license, but will then work forever with no more costs. Black Friday will likely have a sale price. Add 4 20TB drives and you'll have 60TB of usable storage with no other work required for years; it will just work. Put it in a closet somewhere, attached to your router over ethernet, hit it over the browser to configure, and it's ready to go.

Some here have commented on the need for Syno's DSx25 models (2025 models) requiring Syno HDDs. That is true, but it is trivial to defeat so you can use any HDD you wish. There are no RAM limitations, as I saw another poster incorrectly state, in their standard (consumer) offerings, only their multi-thousand Xeon offerings. (But it's trivial to beat that too). You can read all about these here: https://github.com/007revad/Synology_Information_Wiki. Note that none of this applies to the DS423+ model I mentioned or anything with DSx24, DSx23, or earlier names.

Synology is nice because it's a very mature ecosystem, backed by a real company, with real people that will help you with issues if you have them, in English. Good luck getting that from some of the other vendors.
 
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Ahh, you're right. I guess I just didn't realize it until I really thought about it. I purchased two Belkin docks before I got the one I wanted, which has a FW800 port. The first was advertised as having it but didn't.

So I guess I do have TB on that Mac. Just haven't ever used it for Thunderbolt drives so wasn't thinking. I went and corrected the post.
 
UNAS Pro doesn't support iSCSI, its NFS support isn't stable yet, it only supports a single storage pool, no Docker/VM support, and many further limitations, so depending on use case it isn't the best choice.
Best choice for who? OP has said they don't want faffing about & has a Mac Studio.

Referring back to OP's post, as they're the one seeking advice, and answering your questions;

  • NFS is fine & why would I need iSCSI, if I have anything else in the network I can get a $30 switch (also from Ubiquity)?
  • Single storage pool is fine if I'm the only user as is OP, more will come I'm sure, there can be more than one user profile on the UNAS.
  • Docker/VM/Plex Server. am I buying a computer or something that stores disks?
  • On that same token ,why would I cripple myself to the processing chip of a toaster when I have all the goodness that the Mac Studio delivers - the NAS stores the drives the Mac Studio holds the Plex server, Docker, VM, literally use it as a computer and can be connected directly to (also using 10Gb at no extra cost)
  • Remote Access - single sign in direct from anywhere in the world, none of this SSL'ing in, just click a button.
  • Data backups to dropbox / google drive is pre-configured no messing about.
  • Photo storage search etc, can be done on Mac why complicate things - Time Machine profile is there if you need it.
  • Shared file access - again built in to operating system to share individual files with a secure link where you can specify email, time it's open for etc.
I get Synology. I looked at it 5 years ago (round about all the time that hacking of QNAPs and NASs was happening) before I got the Thunderbolt DAS's that I currently use, that are no longer supported, but are way faster than the NAS.

What I don't get is all the faffing about;
  • at the time Synology were toying with the idea of Hard Drive lock-in which is now a reality - don't buy their expensive drives then kiss their support goodbye
  • the self destructing atom chips that didn't really ever get fixed, that created $2k paperweights
  • having to learn a whole new OS & lock it down, as folk specifically target Synology & QNAP
  • Relying on their chips for a good Plex experience (or pay through the nose for a i7 & i5 or worse in Atom - whatever the flavour of 5 years ago was) ignoring what you've already got - I found it better to fully utilise the Mac mini connected to the drives, it can be updated regularly ensuring the best experience & all the while the drives do the dumb thing that drives do best - did Syno not recently deprecate video or photo station?
  • & lastly cost, UNAS Pro is probably 1/4 the cost of an equivalent Synology & the drives you purchase are identical to off the shelf price with same warranty, currently available up to 24TB (single drive)
Bang for buck, UNAS is the best option, as with support and features.

Synology have chosen their path and it isn't easier nor cheaper, if the OP has chosen Synology, all cool, but be very aware what else is out there.
 
So I guess I do have TB on that Mac. Just haven't ever used it for Thunderbolt drives so wasn't thinking. I went and corrected the post.
That leaves me with my youngest Mac, a 2011 MacBook Air. It's got a Thunderbolt dock, but no Thunderbolt. Specwise, it would just be way overloaded for the types of things I am doing with my MacPro.
On that MBA (11" mid 2011), the Thunderbolt port is Thunderbolt 1 (10 Gb/sec). Different speed and connector to later Thunderbolt ports.
 
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Thanks, that's exactly the kind of documentation I was hoping existed.

Despite more than a decade of good experiences with Synology, I can't in good convenience recommend anyone buy into that ecosystem if this is the direction they're going. There had been hints in DSM that certain features were going to become subscription supported, but nothing that was fundamental to my use cases. I won't rely on single branded drives though, that defeats the purpose of a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks.

Synology was my solution to issues I was having with Drobo as a company (do not use Drobo, their support is atrocious). Now it looks like Synology has crossed over the line and I need to find another manufacturer when I'm ready to update my hardware.
Agree. But, who to go to next ? Used to use Infrant, then Netgear, then Synology. Maybe just use a spare Mac.
 
why would I need iSCSI, if I have anything else in the network I can get a $30 switch (also from Ubiquity)?
Not sure what iSCSI has to do with using a switch, but being a block-level protocol, it can provide way better performance for applications like video editing.

I don't advocate at all for Synology, by the way, I don't know where you got that idea. Just anyone buying a UNAS Pro should be aware of what they're getting and not getting by that. Do your research.
 
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Only have a bit of time, so this won't be as short and cogent as I would like...

Like the OP, about a year ago I started looking at NAS options, and there are many. As background, I've been using various Mac minis over the years to serve the household and business, and I've been generally happy with it. I saw the features that NAS would bring, but at the same time I had two other thoughts in the back of my mind - would a change bring or lose functionality, and how difficult would making that change be.

In the end, I decided to remain on MacOS and use DAS, but to get a bit more serious about it. The decision was driven by the fact that my needs just didn't support using a NAS and the changeover costs. I had (and still have) a lot of large hard drives, and they're all in various Apple formats (HFS/APFS) and encrypted. Just getting that data onto another box would have been an effort.

I bought a thunderbolt disk enclosure, and shucked the individual drives to place them into the 8-bay enclosure without any issue, which cleaned things up very nicely.

I also made the conscious decision to not implement any RAID (and yes, the "I" stands for inexpensive). First of all, these are already backups of individual files stored on other Macs, so I'm OK with that - YMMV. Secondly, most of the files/assets are not all that valuable, and if I lose an entire disk, it wouldn't be the end of the world in any way. But this is me and my situation.

Another reason for not implementing RAID was power consumption and noise. I didn't want a whole array of disks spinning 24x7 when the usage pattern just didn't support that. A requirement was that the disks would spin down when not in use. Now, I'll admit I never found an answer on the NAS side for this, so it's possible that you can have RAID on a NAS that only spins up when someone is accessing files... but I never found any mention of that.

Now, if I want to convert to RAID at some point, I can still do so. But I haven't seen the need for it yet. But please, make your own considered decision on this. I do 3 2 1 but by spreading files around machines (so no lectures on backups please - not all retained data is valuable).

I also upgraded the network to 2.5G, and am set to go to 10G if needed.

Before I get into the benefits of this approach, I didn't/won't have to:
  • Select a NAS vendor, which is not a clear-cut exercise as one can see in posts above
  • Have a learning curve on a new NAS OS
  • Move data (days? weeks?)
  • Buy additional disks just for moving data (not insignificant in my case)
  • Have spinning disks 24x7 (probably)
  • Faff around with RAID levels and adding/removing disks
What did I get? A reasonably robust file server that I'm familiar with and is supported that covers pretty much everything the OP was looking for. Turn on file, media and screen sharing and you have a fairly formidable platform.

The screen sharing is an ace in the hole for MacOS - specifically, high performance screen sharing. For those that have used Remote Desktop on Windows, it's the same thing. Both the screen and audio are piped to the viewing Mac, and it works extremely well. You need AS Macs on both sides of the connection, but if you do, prepare yourself for a treat. Do note that only one person at a time can share the screen, but it brings you anything your server Mac can do right to your other Mac.

At the same time, the mini has an HDMI port so that gets connected to the 4k tv, and spare BT keyboard and trackpad complete the setup if I want to use it as a regular Mac.

Costs were fairly low for this; the 8-bay Thunderbolt enclosure was $750 and is both performant and solid physically. I did buy a m4 mini but didn't really need to, the m1 mini I had was sufficient. The disks I shucked. I have an external 2tb SSD on USB that stores my Photos library, which is shared via Home Sharing to AppleTVs.

Infuse handles the media side on ATVs and other Macs. I have not yet dipped my toes into *arr yet but that's probably coming. On the fence about Plex, as Infuse is working very well and not seeing a need for it, but as I understand it Plex will work with Infuse (yes I know Infuse is subscription and I hate those but it's working very well and I think there's a lifetime option which isn't all that expensive).

Frankly, things are working great, couldn't be happier. One thing the OP wanted that I haven't tried and am reluctant to do so is remote file access. It's a security hole I'm not going to open without good reason, and right now I don't have that reason.

A few things along the way:
  • A minor nit, but just selecting "Put hard disks to sleep when possible" doesn't seem to work out of the box. I had to set the value via pmset a couple of times to get the disks to spin down, but we got there
  • I love love love iStat menus for keeping an eye on my Macs and what they're up to, but in this case it was hitting the disks periodically and thus spinning them up. Even turning off all disk monitoring functions didn't help, so I got rid of it on the server entirely, which is sad, it's a great app and I have it on all my Macs
  • The new m4 mini has HDMI CEC so it was turning on my TV when I didn't want it to. Fixed by a CEC blocker adapter
  • While I could have the m4 server sleep altogether and wake it over the LAN, I decided the power draw was small enough to just leave it running. This also allows Photos to do photo analysis on the library whenever it sees fit.
  • Also wake on lan related: on the m1 server I started with, with my upgrade of the network to 2.5G I used a USB ethernet adapter, and yep that doesn't work. It has to be directly attached via the ethernet port, so that nudged me toward adding the 10G option on the m4.
Overall I'd say DAS on Mac brings more benefits than many realize, and it can be economical and still performant with flexibility.

Sorry about the novel, I warned you!
 
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I moved from having two Drobos hooked up to a Mac Mini to having a single Synology NAS a couple of years ago and it was a very good experience. The software is very mature and there are a lot of applications you can install on it to make it more than just a big chunk of network storage. Administration has been really straightforward as well.

Ironically it has been a little too successful with my wife - she uses some of the applications hosted on the NAS regularly and as a result I have to be kind of hands-off and favor stability instead of tinkering with it.

I wound up building an Unraid box to sit in the same closet as the Synology so I can play around with new things on that, and now I have two NAS devices. I don’t know that I would recommend that approach right off the bat, though. If I hadn’t started with a turnkey NAS I would not have known what I wanted to do with a custom one.

The silliest advantage to having a NAS over a Mac Mini with external drives is that it only takes up a single power outlet on the UPS. I know that’s a ridiculous thing to point to as an advantage, but I made the mistake of buying a UPS with only four protected outlets!

The only thing I really dislike is that the NAS can’t directly serve content to the Computers app on the Apple TV. That still requires me to have a Mac somewhere on the network to serve files from the NAS. This is probably only an issue if you have a lot of purchased video content from iTunes and store it locally instead of streaming it when needed. If you just have a lot of video files, Plex or Jellyfin (or even Infuse, which is client side rather than server-side) will work just fine.
 
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I do the same with my Synology Server (56TB).
I previously used Synology’s QuickConnect but when I upgraded my router, I could see numerous attempts probing my network. My assumption — which turned out to be correct — was that QuickConnect was the cause. Disabled it and switched to Tailscale.

Not only is it easier because you just connect to stuff the same way whether at home or away, it resolved the security problem.
 
Not sure what iSCSI has to do with using a switch, but being a block-level protocol, it can provide way better performance for applications like video editing.

I don't advocate at all for Synology, by the way, I don't know where you got that idea. Just anyone buying a UNAS Pro should be aware of what they're getting and not getting by that. Do your research.
Dude, the OP ain't a video editor, they're using Plex as an individual to watch things themselves and only themself..

I'm guessing a basic home user that wants to expand their storage.

Who you telling to do research?

On all your comments, you've given your critique but offered nothing, what would you go for / what do you use?
 
Dude, the OP ain't a video editor, they're using Plex as an individual to watch things themselves and only themself..
He’s addressing your iscsi/switch comment, which I didn’t understand either. Can you explain what you meant?

Yes, most non-it folks don’t need iscsi. But it does speak to the Syno’s better feature set over the more basic ubiquiti nas.
 
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It originally stands for "inexpensive", but then for marketing reasons, as manufacturers wanted to sell expensive drives, they changed it to "independent".

This is the paper that introduced the concept of RAID: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~garth/RAIDpaper/Patterson88.pdf
Exactly. If Synology thinks only the most expensive, premium disks can do the job, they’ve lost the thread. The whole point of RAID is to use redundancy as a lower cost path to performance and reliability. If a 5 bay system isn’t meeting the targets the solution is meant to be an 8 bay system— more redundancy, not more premium media.
 
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Dude, the OP ain't a video editor, they're using Plex as an individual to watch things themselves and only themself..

I'm guessing a basic home user that wants to expand their storage.
The OP isn’t the only one reading this thread, it’s on the front page. My comments are for the benefit of anyone looking to purchase a NAS.

On all your comments, you've given your critique but offered nothing, what would you go for / what do you use?
I’m looking for a NAS solution myself. I had been waiting for an update to the DS1821+, but after Synology’s recent trajectory (lackluster hardware updates, dropping software features, increasingly strict drive restrictions), I don’t see any no-brainer recommendations.

Personally (different needs than the OP), I’m now looking to run TrueNAS Scale (or anything ZFS not requiring a subscription), but not sure which hardware yet. I’d go for UGreen NASync if they had ECC, or possibly for Asustor Lockerstor Gen3 if they had an iGPU (for the purpose of installing TrueNAS). UGreen would also be an option for the OP. The upcoming Minisforum N5 Pro is looking good spec-wise, but Minisforum has a bad track record regarding customer support and BIOS updates. I had researched the UNAS Pro as well, but between its functional limitations, slow development speed, rack form factor, and issue reports you find on the web, it doesn’t fit the bill either. A custom build is always an option, but comes with its own difficulties regarding hardware selection.
 
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