Well yeah. It's like saying can I use diesel in my toyota unleaded car. It's a different technology.
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New Verizon iPad Runs on AT&T 3G Networks with AT&T Micro-SIM
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Well yeah. It's like saying can I use diesel in my toyota unleaded car. It's a different technology.
Go read the forum thread linked in the article. He's not pulling a fast one. There was an even earlier thread about it in the iPad forum too.
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It's amazing people can figure out how to login and post a comment yet they can't read an article explaining the situation. Even without reading the article I can deduce the basic point with the title of the thread. I guess when Apple launched iPad we had to expect a flood of technological-newbies. lol
I just wish people would READ before they posted. Oh well... free entertainment, hehehe...
I've been on the technical side of cellular capabilities for a liitle less then a year and I'm having a jolly ol'time reading all this. Although I learn something new about it everyday.
I've been on the technical side of cellular capabilities for a liitle less then a year and I'm having a jolly ol'time reading all this. Although I learn something new about it everyday.
I know... impossible to know everything, but it's like anything technical, if you understand the fundamentals of the technologies, frequencies, hardware, broadcast equipment, it all falls into place and you don't ask silly questions.
I'm guessing "I've been in the cellular industry for 20 years" means he's worked in the Electronics Department at Walmart for 20 years? That'd be the only explanation how someone would be so uneducated in the fundamentals.
Admittedly I've only been in the industry for 8 years, but I've found that most of the people "in the industry" (and by that I don't mean working at the T-Mobile store, lol) have a passion for it and take their job requirements and learn 10x what is required of them. That's how I've always been at least.
So does it work using AT&T's HSPA+ up to 21 Mb/s or is it just HSPA or something slower? Also can you use an iPhone SIM in an AT&T iPad 3rd gen? Like someone else said, I used to do it with my original iPad back with iOS 3 but the Cellular Data Settings page was removed with an update.
If AT&T had LTE were I live or the hotspot feature it wouldn't be a problem. They advertise 14.4 Mbps and throttle it down....I think it's AT&T that is abusing there customers.
Exactly. I took the task of learning and teaching myself the whole sh-boom because I enjoyed every moment of it. This time last year the most I knew was that Edge was a 'slower' protocol network then 3G. Now I could run down all the variables that make it that way and why Edge generally gives better coverage in buildings versus the higher 3G frequency. Such an interesting field.
Since I am headed to Europr in a month, I would love to know if this is the case. Can anyone confirm that this SHOULD work?
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Most GSM networks run on the same frequencies, meaning you can simply swap your SIM card in an unlocked device while traveling and be able to have service wherever you go. There are some differences, like the frequency difference between T-Mobile and AT&T, which means devices for either network will be able to use the other's EDGE network, but not the faster 3G network. Similarly, it looks like LTE could be the great divider, not unifier, unless all phones come with radios compatible with the entire spectrum, which isn't very likely given carrier history in the USA.
Reportedly, both AT&T and Verizon will run their LTE network in the 700 MHz band, but Verizon will use spectrum between 746 and 787 MHz, while AT&T will use 704-746 MHz. MetroPCS, AT&T, Verizon, and Cricket all own LTE spectrum in the 1700 MHz range, and Light Squared owns spectrum around 1500 MHz. Unfortunately, if carriers want their devices built to be incompatible with other networks, that's what will happen.
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Most GSM networks run on the same frequencies, meaning you can simply swap your SIM card in an unlocked device while traveling and be able to have service wherever you go. There are some differences, like the frequency difference between T-Mobile and AT&T, which means devices for either network will be able to use the other's EDGE network, but not the faster 3G network. Similarly, it looks like LTE could be the great divider, not unifier, unless all phones come with radios compatible with the entire spectrum, which isn't very likely given carrier history in the USA.
Reportedly, both AT&T and Verizon will run their LTE network in the 700 MHz band, but Verizon will use spectrum between 746 and 787 MHz, while AT&T will use 704-746 MHz. MetroPCS, AT&T, Verizon, and Cricket all own LTE spectrum in the 1700 MHz range, and Light Squared owns spectrum around 1500 MHz. Unfortunately, if carriers want their devices built to be incompatible with other networks, that's what will happen.
Show me where AT&T advertises "14.4 mbps, non-LTE speeds" please. I'd love to see where they advertise that. It's never and never will be advertised because there are so many variables. I'm guessing you mean they're selling hardware capable of 14mbps.
In that case, you must really hate your car because every car sold in the US is "capable" of achieving mileage per gallon of about 25-50% more than what the average user actually gets in practical use. But then again, AT&T has never made such claim, so you're misinformed and talking about something you don't understand.
I'd say read their 3G\4G info page and educate yourself as to the realities of what they promise.
ok so I got verizon with new att card... I tried to activate it but when I do "view account" on ipad, i keep getting this error.
"This device type entered is not supported. (USIM9989)"
I tried to change APN. no luck.
"This device type entered is not supported. (USIM9989)"
I tried to change APN. no luck.
Yep... people don't try to understand then they blame a carrier or a technology or an actual product for a failure to meet their expectations.
Yup... I'm a total newbie alright. In fact, I didn't even know what an iPad was before this amazing article came out. Thanks for correcting me on this one.
Does anyone know, specifically, how to change the APN settings properly for the Verizon iPad with a AT&T SIM?
Wow they're a lot more "on top of things" than AT&T is... can change to a new phone\sim and it take days\weeks\months for the network\account system to realize it and update on the account\website, hahaha....
I'd be careful with that one... but then again, what are they really going to do? Given they're allowing hotspot, they've clearly eased up on their strictness. And they seem to realize when they're only selling small amounts of data, users have a right to use it, regardless of how\what device.
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Yeah, go into settings, change the APN setting, then select DONE... ????
So a T-Mobile micro SIM will work with this new bad boy. However, only on EDGE. I figured it would work on their HSPA network because the device supports both 1900 & 2100.
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This sounds great but will never last. At first I was going to buy the Verizon after reading this but then realized AT&T will never stand for this.
Enjoy it while it last!
This sounds great but will never last. At first I was going to buy the Verizon after reading this but then realized AT&T will never stand for this.
Enjoy it while it last!
Kinda works
Well I tried this... iphone 4s sim in ipad (new) and it does see the sim, show ATT network and signal strength. But it still tells me to activate sim even when I used an APN tool to set a custom ATT apn. So while the sim is totally visible, the iPad thinks I don't have a working account to use the sim.
Which APN generator did you use that is shown to work in the video?
Well I tried this... iphone 4s sim in ipad (new) and it does see the sim, show ATT network and signal strength. But it still tells me to activate sim even when I used an APN tool to set a custom ATT apn. So while the sim is totally visible, the iPad thinks I don't have a working account to use the sim.
Which APN generator did you use that is shown to work in the video?
Maybe they are 1700 as well. But for sure 1900 and 2100. They have been 1900 since the 90's maybe before that. Even their domain at work is named after it -- "gsm1900"
Unfortunately, T-Mobile uses the AWS (1700MHz) spectrum in most of the country, so it won't work. They are planning to switch some of their 1900MHz spectrum to 3G in the coming years, so it might get better.
The confusion may arise because AWS uses 2100MHz spectrum on the uplink, but not the same 2100MHz that is used in Europe.