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problem with your argument was it doesnt into account the fact that iOS and some android offerings are actually better to own than blackberry products.

not true for Office. they're better than the the competitors products.

you keep saying most people in the banking industry dont use the features to their full extent and that is just not true. perhaps you're just not high enough on the totem pole to know.
i am currently articling in a financial planning / mutual fund dealership firm and we use lots of complicated macros, merges and VBA scripts. amongst other features. not to mention the fact that office integrates into our CRM package. neither of which can be easily replicated on other office suites.

Oh I see, so now we're on the level of who's financial position is higher than the other? I workED at a bank for 3 years as a Financial Consultant. I have a Series 6 & Series 63 and Life Insurance license and I've been a financial planner for the past 13 years. I have experience in office software and to what extent it's used commonly. And it might do you a bit of good to go back and find anywhere that I suggested that Office isn't a great a piece of software. I simply stated that in my business I've been able to cut off the necessary ties with Microsoft and you should respect someone's post rather than posting arrogant come backs saying people are "low on the totem pole" based on how they use MS Office. :rolleyes:
 
Oh I see, so now we're on the level of who's financial position is higher than the other? I workED at a bank for 3 years as a Financial Consultant. I have a Series 6 & Series 63 and Life Insurance license and I've been a financial planner for the past 13 years. I have experience in office software and to what extent it's used commonly. And it might do you a bit of good to go back and find anywhere that I suggested that Office isn't a great a piece of software. I simply stated that in my business I've been able to cut off the necessary ties with Microsoft and you should respect someone's post rather than posting arrogant come backs saying people are "low on the totem pole" based on how they use MS Office. :rolleyes:

Actually, no, your initial statement was as follows

I don't care about MS Office as much as I used to. Maybe because most of what is done in the business world today doesn't necessarily require using Microsoft's software. Today my entire office is happily Microsoft-free. :)

That is to say you made a wide and sweeping statement about "most of what is one in the business world".
 
Oh I see, so now we're on the level of who's financial position is higher than the other? I workED at a bank for 3 years as a Financial Consultant. I have a Series 6 & Series 63 and Life Insurance license and I've been a financial planner for the past 13 years. I have experience in office software and to what extent it's used commonly. And it might do you a bit of good to go back and find anywhere that I suggested that Office isn't a great a piece of software. I simply stated that in my business I've been able to cut off the necessary ties with Microsoft and you should respect someone's post rather than posting arrogant come backs saying people are "low on the totem pole" based on how they use MS Office. :rolleyes:

What did you switch to?

I would agree that Office is not great but I've not found anything else with the same level of functionality.
 
Oh I see, so now we're on the level of who's financial position is higher than the other? I workED at a bank for 3 years as a Financial Consultant. I have a Series 6 & Series 63 and Life Insurance license and I've been a financial planner for the past 13 years. I have experience in office software and to what extent it's used commonly. And it might do you a bit of good to go back and find anywhere that I suggested that Office isn't a great a piece of software. I simply stated that in my business I've been able to cut off the necessary ties with Microsoft and you should respect someone's post rather than posting arrogant come backs saying people are "low on the totem pole" based on how they use MS Office. :rolleyes:

curious then. what planning software do you use in your microsoft-free office?
cannot think of any enterprise solutions that is offered in anything other than windows....
 
Oh, great.

A one person sample size. A die hard Apple fan's last resort.

Make that a two person sample size. Only I've been using macs since 1985. As a matter of fact, back in the '90s, I was one of the few people at P&G with a mac because I needed JMP statistical analysis software that was Mac-only at the time.

Part of my business is working with company presentations. I only use PowerPoint if I'm forced to because they are going to give employees a copy after the conference. Otherwise, I convert everything to Keynote. I NEVER use Mac Powerpoint because it's a pain to operate properly on high-end A/V systems and doesn't translate the Windows version of ppt properly most of the time.

I wonder if the Mac version of PPT (or Windows for that matter) will ever enter the 21st century and stop measuring slides in inches, lol. Guess they think people are still printing on transparencies...
 
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Make that a two person sample size. Only I've been using macs since 1985. As a matter of fact, back in the '90s, I was one of the few people at P&G with a mac because I needed JMP statistical analysis software that was Mac-only at the time.

Part of my business is working with company presentations. I only use PowerPoint if I'm forced to because they are going to give employees a copy after the conference. Otherwise, I convert everything to Keynote. I NEVER use Mac Powerpoint because it's a pain to operate properly on high-end A/V systems and doesn't translate the Windows version of ppt properly most of the time.

I wonder if the Mac version of PPT (or Windows for that matter) will ever enter the 21st century and stop measuring slides in inches, lol. Guess they think people are still printing on transparencies...

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I guess they could make a version that makes everything ugly...

Two people? Great, we can throw out Office in general now. /sarcasm

Also, yeah, it would likely be really ugly on Windows. Apple just can't code on other Operating Systems for their life.
 
Two people? Great, we can throw out Office in general now. /sarcasm

Also, yeah, it would likely be really ugly on Windows. Apple just can't code on other Operating Systems for their life.

When have they tried? Oh, iTunes I suppose. The software they create is made to showcase the capabilities of the computers they make. Anything they make for PC is supporting sales of Apple products. Maybe that's why Mac PowerPoint is always crap. Microsoft does the same thing.
 
When have they tried? Oh, iTunes I suppose. The software they create is made to showcase the capabilities of the computers they make. Anything they make for PC is supporting sales of Apple products. Maybe that's why Mac PowerPoint is always crap. Microsoft does the same thing.

itunes, quicktime and safari (they even downloaded that one for you trojan style) for instance.

anyone else remember the good old says on here when safari marketshare was a regular topic. the bestest browser available.
 
itunes, quicktime and safari for instance.

anyone else remember the good old says on here when safari marketshare was a regular topic. the bestest browser available.

I used Safari for Windows... for a while. They were really slow to update it, though.

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When have they tried? Oh, iTunes I suppose. The software they create is made to showcase the capabilities of the computers they make. Anything they make for PC is supporting sales of Apple products. Maybe that's why Mac PowerPoint is always crap. Microsoft does the same thing.

QuickTime and Safari for Windows were always crap as well.
 
itunes, quicktime and safari (they even downloaded that one for you trojan style) for instance.

anyone else remember the good old says on here when safari marketshare was a regular topic. the bestest browser available.

I use Safari on all my Macs. Works perfectly. Playing movies on pcs is usually pretty poor no matter what. That's why we always use Macs on show site and never embed movies in PowerPoint. Back in the day, we used a Windows-based machine called a Turbo to play movies and it was usually trouble. The last time I saw one, I had to save the day by playing the movies on a spare MacBookPro I had with me. Now we use MacPros and PlaybackPro, which is the industry standard for playing videos during conventions and other live shows. For the motion graphics I design, I use a Mac with ProPresenter because I often layer more than one movie and need to also show static images and such.
 
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About freaking time. I have to use office for my job. I wish ms would allow publisher and access on office for mac.

I've tried open office and libre but ms office is still better.
 
It's getting there, but ....

It really depends on your specific needs and situation.

I know in our workplace, Outlook is still a critical component. The I.T. staff hates that bloated, problematic excuse for a mail/scheduling app -- but we haven't been able to get away from it. Management generally loves the thing, from the standpoint of having the ability to organize saved emails into a folder structure, with quick access to them even when in "offline mode". Plus, our highly mobile workforce always runs into problems doing POP3/SMTP or IMAP protocols for email when they get to certain hotels/motels or other establishments with major restrictions on which ports Internet traffic can travel on. Outlook will even use web ports 80/443 for Exchange traffic if necessary -- pretty much ensuring it gets through.

The scheduling capabilities in it are pretty respectable too. Sure, you can do a lot of it with OS X, iCal and Apple Mail ... but it's sort of clunky, as everything is spread across 3 apps (Contacts, iCal and Mail). Plus, we've still had small issues with calendar invites from 3rd. parties when we use anything but the real MS Outlook as the client.


I don't care about MS Office as much as I used to. Maybe because most of what is done in the business world today doesn't necessarily require using Microsoft's software. Today my entire office is happily Microsoft-free. :)
 
When have they tried? Oh, iTunes I suppose. The software they create is made to showcase the capabilities of the computers they make. Anything they make for PC is supporting sales of Apple products. Maybe that's why Mac PowerPoint is always crap. Microsoft does the same thing.

iTunes might literally be the worst piece of crap ever written. I love Apple, love their products, but I'm not speaking in hyperbole here.
 
It really depends on your specific needs and situation.

I know in our workplace, Outlook is still a critical component. The I.T. staff hates that bloated, problematic excuse for a mail/scheduling app -- but we haven't been able to get away from it. Management generally loves the thing, from the standpoint of having the ability to organize saved emails into a folder structure, with quick access to them even when in "offline mode". Plus, our highly mobile workforce always runs into problems doing POP3/SMTP or IMAP protocols for email when they get to certain hotels/motels or other establishments with major restrictions on which ports Internet traffic can travel on. Outlook will even use web ports 80/443 for Exchange traffic if necessary -- pretty much ensuring it gets through.

The scheduling capabilities in it are pretty respectable too. Sure, you can do a lot of it with OS X, iCal and Apple Mail ... but it's sort of clunky, as everything is spread across 3 apps (Contacts, iCal and Mail). Plus, we've still had small issues with calendar invites from 3rd. parties when we use anything but the real MS Outlook as the client.
Outlook is a very powerful PIM client, offering very nice features to enterprise users. Administrators can manage it by using AD GPOs.
Outlook is the premier Exchange client and every company that uses Exchange Server or Office 365, also uses Outlook.
 
Found a invite might be fake

This might be fake but hey i could be wrong
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I actually prefer the native onmigraffle pro.

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Plus, our highly mobile workforce always runs into problems doing POP3/SMTP or IMAP protocols for email when they get to certain hotels/motels or other establishments with major restrictions on which ports Internet traffic can travel on.

Wow, I've travelled extensively but i've never encountered a hotel which blocks email ports?!?!
 
Hopefully, when it's released, it will put pressure on Apple to speed up the improvement of iWork.

hopefully but why should it?

google docs has in many ways gone past them. open office and libreoffice have become more prominent and mircosoft office still stands tall.

i would rather expect them to give up like they pretty much have with browsers after a much younger one in chrome blew past them
 
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