Either keeping my 6s plus until it fall apart or going with the note 7. No headphone jack , same design = no buy
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Either keeping my 6s plus until it fall apart or going with the note 7. No headphone jack , same design = no buy
Well for staters, this survey seems to refute your claim:
http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/01...o.ask.apple.shoppers.what.they.thought.131986
Second, what makes you think Apple would eliminate an essential port on their most successful and profitable flagship device, during a sales downturn, in a business where the competition is so intense, if there were no need to do it? Moreover, where's the logic in giving the competition an obvious leg up on them if there wasn't a need to eliminate the 3.5mm jack industrywide? The competition most likely needs to remove the headphone jack too, but unlike Apple are hesitant to do anything that might cost some sales in the short term. People need to seriously think this through before casting such poorly thought out accusations.
Further, future headphones won't be platform agnostic, so most won't have fixed Lightning plugs, but rather interchangeable cables, and other options to accommodate many standards. And yes, Apple will add Lightning ports to their Macs as soon as they drop the headphone jack from the iPhone.
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It's the same as the 30-pin to Lightning changeover, you'll need an adapter to use Lightning equiped headphones on older Macs, but new Macs will come with a Lightning port, because Apple will not force customers to use an adapter on the new Mac they bought with their new iPhone to use the new Lightning compatible headphones they just bought together.
This iphone will flop with the lack of headphone jack. You gotta wonder what kool aid these Apple designers are drinking to think they can get away with this.
I disagree. I think there will be a larger backpack from this than expected, to where they add it back in during the next redesign. If not then I may never purchase another iPhone. And I've owned every model.
Same here. I actually have two pairs of Bose, with and without noise cancelling, and there is no way I will switch to a new device without a 3.5mm jack.
That apple watch charger is actually pretty slick, that would be a great compromise.
This has really surprised me! I'm an Apple fan but I do have to admit that the Samsung Galaxy S7 and even the leaked images of the Note 7 look good and a lot better than the older designs they had. I still much prefer Apple's IOS over Andriod and Samsung's laggy and bloated TouchWiz! The iPhone 7 does look nice tho, at least to me! https://www.google.co.uk/amp/9to5go...s-and-6s-plus-in-us-sales/amp/?client=safari#
They don't need to switch ports to improve sound quality. It depends on the DAC, and a better DAC would sound better with either port. Sound quality has zero to do with this change.
This mentality is probably why many good products/ideas get buried because people are resistant to change and outdated mentality.
I for one welcome the push to wireless headphones to become even more mainstream.
Would it be that big of a deal? I think people will get used to it. Can't see Apple ever admitting they made a mistake by bringing it back. Think more will remove it as the years go on.
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Guys, don't you see? We've seen all these "iPhone 7" photos with the bigger camera, no headphone jack, but not a single "iPhone 7 Plus" image.
First of all, they're not going to call it "iPhone 7", just iPhone and iPhone Pro. Like they do with their Macs and iPads/iPods (RIP). No more numbers. They'll just denote models by year. "[2016] iPhone". And like MacOS, they'll start naming iOS after places in California.
...and since I'm on a roll, next year they'll call their 10th iPhone "The New iPhone/Pro"!
By the way, storage & pricing just like the iPads: 32GB for $649, and 128GB for $150 extra. The iPhone Pro will come with 128GB, matte black (only available on Pro), dual cameras, but most importantly... a new design that hasn't been leaked (because it's fully waterproof, ), so we actually have something to be surprised about in September. We'll be so caught off guard we instantly preorder it with our new Apple Watches, forgetting it starts at $899, plus the cost of a new case.
Oh, and speaking of cases. I have my two cents to speak about the loss of the headphone jack. People are upset about not being able to charge and listen to wired headphones at the same time. Apple now already sells a battery case. What's wrong with updating it to include a headphone port? It already interfaces with the Lightning port and adds its own to boot! Only $129 more!
As for the iPhone Pro, Apple won't make a battery/headphone case for the same reason they didn't for the iPhone 6 Plus. It already has a bigger battery as a selling point. But what if... Apple doesn't take away the headphone port from the larger phone?!?! It would explain the back and forth we've been hearing in the rumor mills. Again, we've seen evidence of the "iPhone 7" case with no headphone port, but it would be totally Apple to make that and dual camera's worth the $250 "upgrade".
*drops mic* -[due to carpel tunnel from holding his iPhone 6S Plus with a card-carrying case]
Guys, don't you see? We've seen all these "iPhone 7" photos with the bigger camera, no headphone jack, but not a single "iPhone 7 Plus" image.
First of all, they're not going to call it "iPhone 7", just iPhone and iPhone Pro. Like they do with their Macs and iPads/iPods (RIP). No more numbers. They'll just denote models by year. "[2016] iPhone". And like MacOS, they'll start naming iOS after places in California.
...and since I'm on a roll, next year they'll call their 10th iPhone "The New iPhone/Pro"!
By the way, storage & pricing just like the iPads: 32GB for $649, and 128GB for $150 extra. The iPhone Pro will come with 128GB, matte black (only available on Pro), dual cameras, but most importantly... a new design that hasn't been leaked (because it's fully waterproof, ), so we actually have something to be surprised about in September. We'll be so caught off guard we instantly preorder it with our new Apple Watches, forgetting it starts at $899, plus the cost of a new case.
Oh, and speaking of cases. I have my two cents to speak about the loss of the headphone jack. People are upset about not being able to charge and listen to wired headphones at the same time. Apple now already sells a battery case. What's wrong with updating it to include a headphone port? It already interfaces with the Lightning port and adds its own to boot! Only $129 more!
As for the iPhone Pro, Apple won't make a battery/headphone case for the same reason they didn't for the iPhone 6 Plus. It already has a bigger battery as a selling point. But what if... Apple doesn't take away the headphone port from the larger phone?!?! It would explain the back and forth we've been hearing in the rumor mills. Again, we've seen evidence of the "iPhone 7" case with no headphone port, but it would be totally Apple to make that and dual camera's worth the $250 "upgrade".
*drops mic* -[due to carpel tunnel from holding his iPhone 6S Plus with a card-carrying case]
Great point!
Most people have no idea what the true difference is between analog sound and digital sound. Most people automatically assume that if the label says digital it MUST be better.
I don't think most people understand that Apple has already created a 3.5mm port that not only does analog but digital output as well. I know because I use this feature to connect to my external DAC from my older iMac. If digital quality is the ultimate goal than there is no reason to get rid of the 3.5mm port because digital can be had from it.
Additionally, we hear over and over about this needs to happen to make the phone thinner. Again, I see selective perception by the pundits because the current iPod Touch is much thinner than the current iPhone. It's even thinner with a 3.5mm port in its body. How can this be if the reason the iPhone is so thick is because of the 3.5mm port?
Another reason that's given is waterproofing the phone. HA! I've got a bridge to sell you if you believe that a waterproof 3.5mm jack cannot be engineered. In fact, the tech exists and thrives in several modern day devices.
So, the only reason for Apple to remove the jack is for pure profiteering reasons. And you drones are falling for it.
They are not getting rid of the 3.5mm port to make the phone thinner, or to make it waterproof. They are getting rid of it because it only serves one purpose, and is used by a minority of users and will continue to be used less and less over time.
Let's think of the main uses for the 3.5mm jack.
Hooking up to home stereo/speakers. I'm willing to be the majority of people are no longer using the 3.5mm jack for this. Most people have moved on the bluetooth or Airplay speakers, or AV recievers that have USB inputs or support Airplay. Why keep the 3.5mm jack for a minority of people using it for this purpose when there are much easier/more useful ways to accomplish the same end result?
Hooking up to their cars. I'm willing to be the majority of people no longer hook up their phones to their car with the 3.5mm jack. Most use bluetooth, or USB. Why not use bluetooth if you are in a hurry and don't want to hook up the wire, or use USB if you want to hook up a wire, when the USB serves the purpose of both playing the music and charging your phone at the same time? Not to mention more and more cars are starting to support Carplay, which means hooking up over USB for now (and likely bluetooth/WiFi in the future). Why continue to support 3.5mm here when people should be moving on?
Accessories like the Square reader etc. This are used by a small minority of people. Those that do use them should probably be looking to upgrade to the newer versions that support chip cards and Apple Pay/NFC payments. Why worry about continuing support for mag stripe readers when they are going away?
The one big reason that make some sense to keep the 3.5mm port is headphones. However in my experience the majority of people I see with headphones attached to an iPhone are using the white Apple EarPods that came with the phone. If Apple supplies a new lightning set of EarPods those people will switch to them no problem. The next most common thing I see is people with bluetooth headphones/earphones. Those will continue to work with the new phones. The remaining minority are people that have spent a bunch of money on wired headphones they like. As much as they complain most will just go out and buy a $20 adaptor, or maybe even more expensive ones, so they can keep using their nice headphones. Maybe some will leave Apple over this, or wait a little longer to upgrade, but I don't think that number is nearly as high as some hear seem to think it is.
Let's think of the main uses for the 3.5mm jack.
Hooking up to home stereo/speakers. I'm willing to be the majority of people are no longer using the 3.5mm jack for this. Most people have moved on the bluetooth or Airplay speakers, or AV recievers that have USB inputs or support Airplay. Why keep the 3.5mm jack for a minority of people using it for this purpose when there are much easier/more useful ways to accomplish the same end result?
Hooking up to their cars. I'm willing to be the majority of people no longer hook up their phones to their car with the 3.5mm jack. Most use bluetooth, or USB. Why not use bluetooth if you are in a hurry and don't want to hook up the wire, or use USB if you want to hook up a wire, when the USB serves the purpose of both playing the music and charging your phone at the same time? Not to mention more and more cars are starting to support Carplay, which means hooking up over USB for now (and likely bluetooth/WiFi in the future). Why continue to support 3.5mm here when people should be moving on?
Accessories like the Square reader etc. This are used by a small minority of people. Those that do use them should probably be looking to upgrade to the newer versions that support chip cards and Apple Pay/NFC payments. Why worry about continuing support for mag stripe readers when they are going away?
The one big reason that make some sense to keep the 3.5mm port is headphones. However in my experience the majority of people I see with headphones attached to an iPhone are using the white Apple EarPods that came with the phone. If Apple supplies a new lightning set of EarPods those people will switch to them no problem. The next most common thing I see is people with bluetooth headphones/earphones. Those will continue to work with the new phones. The remaining minority are people that have spent a bunch of money on wired headphones they like. As much as they complain most will just go out and buy a $20 adaptor, or maybe even more expensive ones, so they can keep using their nice headphones. Maybe some will leave Apple over this, or wait a little longer to upgrade, but I don't think that number is nearly as high as some hear seem to think it is.
Except that in this case they're trying to switch to something different that is NOT better. And if someone wants wireless headphones they can already do that. It's not a resistance to change, it's a resistance to dumping something that's perfectly fine and forcing people to switch to something that is inferior in a number of ways.
It's a very big deal and I don't think it's out of the question that they could backtrack. They've done it in the past, look at the iPod shuffle with no buttons. It was soundly rejected by the public and they returned the buttons on the next model.
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Speculation.
Why is it a big deal?
Ear buds for one would be used in the same way as they are now. There will be an adapter most likely in the box. I hear a lot of people saying they charge their phone while listening to music which I get but I've certainly never needed to do that. Not when your phone should last all day anyway.
More people have wireless headphones these days anyway which I guess is what apple are thinking.
Everything here is speculation. The port being removed is rumor/speculation.
That said I am speaking from my own observation. Are your observations different? I would be happy to hear if you have actually paid attention and have actually observed that many people using wired headphones other than the Apple EarPods.
As far as needing to charge and listen at the same time, do you people really have to have headphones in 24/7? You can't bother to take them out for an hour if you phone does happen to need a charge? Most of the people I know find people that wear headphones 24/7 extremely anti-social and annoying.
In the past, new tech advanced because it offered better efficiency or convenience than older tech. What Apple is doing is eliminating perfectly good, industry standard tech (that has the ability for digital output) so it can force unwanted, inefficient and inconvenient tech on us, purely for profiteering reasons.
I challenge anyone here to prove that Lightning is better for audio than 3.5mm analog. It simply isn't.
I challenge anyone here to prove that Lightning is better for audio than 3.5mm analog. It simply isn't.
No using lightning is not a guarantee of better audio, but at the very least it is equal to the 3.5mm jack, and it does have the ability to be better if a higher quality DAC and Amp are used in line or internal to the headphones/earphones. Lightning also offers other advantages as far as controls, display of information, etc.
The only advantage the 3.5mm jack has is that it is the legacy standard. That advantage is going away and being overcome by the advantages that lightning/USB-C has. That is why other companies are making the change to USB-C Audio.
Headphones are going to start coming out with USB-C ports on them. Then you will either use a USB-C to USB-C cable to plug into an Android device/computer, or a USB-C to lightning cable to plug into a portable Apple Device. Beats headphones may use lightning instead so you would use a lightning to lightning cable to hook them up to your portable Apple device.
The only advantage the 3.5mm jack has is that it is the legacy standard. That advantage is going away and being overcome by the advantages that lightning/USB-C has. That is why other companies are making the change to USB-C Audio.
Headphones are going to start coming out with USB-C ports on them. Then you will either use a USB-C to USB-C cable to plug into an Android device/computer, or a USB-C to lightning cable to plug into a portable Apple Device. Beats headphones may use lightning instead so you would use a lightning to lightning cable to hook them up to your portable Apple device.
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Dumbest response ever. What? Apple is responsible for your other device so too now?
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Exactly! Lightning is far superior. There, now you have no reason to keep bitching
Sorry can you point to the lightning port on my 2016 MacBook?
How will I utilise my superior lightning headphones consumers could be pushed into buying on my other brand new Apple product?
TRUE!!!!! So let the tech die a natural death instead of killing it unnecessarily. Hell, expedite the death of 3.5mm with new tech that blows the old tech out of the water. If the new tech is truly better than people WILL adopt it naturally thus causing the natural demise of the old technology. Despite Apple's efforts, Lightning audio is still less convenient than 3.5mm audio. How can I say this? Easy, the consumer has spoken with their dollars and Lightning audio has been losing badly. It offers no convenience over 3.5mm analog tech, NONE. Again, if digital output is the goal than we can have it with the 3.5mm port.
New tech shouldn't require the death of old tech in order for it to prevail, it should win based upon it's own merits. Killing 3.5mm just so Lightning has a fighting chance is unethical and goes against the "survival of the fittest" mentality that is responsible for true innovation. I just don't see the need or reason to remove the 3.5mm port in order for Apple to show us the wave of the future. We can still have the port along with the new tech that is supposedly so much better, at least during the transition.
What Apple is doing is definitely NOT consumer friendly, it's Apple friendly because it creates a new revenue stream for their bank account.
I feel ashamed that so many people are so blinded and cannot see this simple issue with removing it and keeping lightning.
From the rumors so far that we have heard, this move is the definition of anti-consumer.