by that logic you mean that you will buy the 6s and never upgrade again
[doublepost=1468600866][/doublepost]
Apparently the pain runs deep still from floppy and CD drives...
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
New Video Shows Off Alleged iPhone 7 Design With No Headphone Jack
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
by that logic you mean that you will buy the 6s and never upgrade again
[doublepost=1468600866][/doublepost]
Apparently the pain runs deep still from floppy and CD drives...
I doubt you remember the whole transition from floppy to cd. If you did you would recall that the fuss wasn't about suspect tech, it was about access to old storage mediums. All people complained about was access because everyone agreed that CDs were leaps and bounds ahead of floppy tech.
Let's pretend that old school floppy discs had comparable storage capacity to old school CD ROMs. Please enlighten me what the benefit would be from switching from floppy to cd in that scenario. However, this wasn't the case because old school CDs could store 20x the data a floppy disc could. There was no comparison in technologies between the two, CD ROM was clearly better.
In this case Lightning audio IS NOT better than 3.5mm in any way shape or form. It's simply a different method of transporting an audio signal. It's not better, it's simply different. Plus, it's a proprietary technology that requires users and manufacturers to pay a royalty when these parties never did before.
Profiteering at its finest. Go Apple!
For tech people on tech sites complaining about a company removing redundant peripherals from a cramped enclosure, you would think this was a religious site instead of a tech site. You know, where tradition and ceremony trump common sense irregardless of anything including the obvious.
If this does happen, I'll probably buy a 6S and hang on to that for a few years. Then I'll decide if I want ot stick owth Apple or jump ship. I just don't understand the new Apple. But, as they way, your mileage may vary....
I would wager that if the prophet of Apple commanded you to jump you would quickly ask how high.
Ps - Your post is exactly how I feel about people that take Apple's word as gospel without thinking for themselves. Not surprisingly, whenever I watch an Apple Keynote it always reminds me of a southern revival.
I guess there's sheep in both camps.
Last edited:
Plus everyone that bought into the Apple Plan for two years will now probably skip their mid contract option to get this new POS for free and Apple still makes out. I'll keep our 6s phones for 2 years then goodbye Apple.
[doublepost=1468603500][/doublepost]
There are more than just headphones that use that jack. There is nothing but arrogant greed driving this one, shame on you Tim.
Yes fully agree - just invested into new Bose QC's (300 Euro) only to find out that they will not be supported on the iPhone 7 - this will not be an upgrade for me anymore.
Only for you, nice sound bite but clueless analogy.
The headphone jack is probably the most widespread standard there is. Charging while flying is nice, being able to "jack-in" to most any audio source around you is nice, external Mics for special situations using this jack is nice, even credit card readers for this jack are nice to have available.
This is common customer focused sense, sadly missed by all you Apple fanboys.
Well said Mac128. The 3.5mm audio jack is a standard embraced by virtually every phone, tablet, music player, laptop, desktop manufacture in the world. Hundreds of millions of people with mobile devices and other electronic devices have headphones, earbuds, etc. that all use the 3.5mm standard. Even seats on a United Airlines flight use the 3.5mm audio jack standard.
It's maddening that Apple would take this completely arrogant position and turn its back on millions upon millions of people who spent significant money on headphones, earbuds, etc. People should be outraged at Apple's arrogance to chance to an audio interface standard used by no other company in the world. It's pathetic!
Last edited:
I know most of us who have an iPhone 6 / 6+ are going to wait for next years release. Yet, what stops Apple from releasing a 7s next September. It is only rumored that there is going to be an iPhone 8 after the iPhone 7.
Apple leads in throwing away well established I/O ports/standards for newer "better" ones that are never fully embraced and hence replaced with yet another I/O standard that is never truly embraced...ad nauseum. The headphone jack removal is simply fixing something that is not broke....but will break millions of I/O connections around the world. Think different...indeed.
What about when Bose puts out a new inline remote cable for Apple Devices that has a lightning plug at the end. You buy that for $30 (or maybe a little more) and can then keep using your QC with any lightning equipped iPhone/iPad. Would that really be such a big deal?
What if that new cable allows your QC's to use their battery to charge your phone if it is low, or allows your phone to power your QC's if their battery is low? I'm not sure if that is how it would really work with your QC's (are those batteries rechargeable?) but it easily could with other lightning/USB-C headphones.
Who on earth thinks the headphone jack is redundant?? It works without flaw and until a truly better alternative comes along, why should you change it? As the saying goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it!
Agreed. This is not simply removing a floppy drive or CD drive from a computer, the 3.5mm jack is a standard embraced by companies well outside the "computer world". For example, Airbus and Boeing aircraft manufactured for certain airlines include a 3.5mm audio jack in most seats allowing passengers to listen to audio, so let's see ... I guess Airbus, Boeing, and all the electronic manufactures are going to rush out and embrace a new standard, not likely for years, decades, or never. Like Delta, American, and United are going to redo their fleet with a new audio standard ... laughable.
Apple could have worked with manufacturers to develop a new audio I/O standard as ubiquitous as the 3.5mm standard, but they did not, leaving hundreds of millions of people who own 3.5mm jack audio equipment out in the cold.
Last edited:
You have a point.
I'm fine with replacing the 3.5'' headphone jack, but I prefer a new standard like USB-C.
Lighting is Apple only and you can't even buy a good lighting headphone and plug it on your Mac without an adapter, really annoying.
Anyone with at least two brain cells that spark a connection. When one of the two ports can do the work of two that makes one redundant.
Tradition has a place in religion and in nationalism, but not in tech . Tech disrupts and keeps things moving rationally forward. What you speak of sounds more like religion. And no place in tech .
You are a little full of yourself aren't you? So the tradition of celebrating something the same way year after year is religious for you? Like say um the release of a new smartphone or tablet year after year huh! Why does that sound familiar, lol! You must be up to your eyeballs in the koolaid son! And whatever your definition of nationalist means...ooh boy! Tech doesn't disrupt anything when made in a smart fashion.
Apple could pave the way in making tech great for the environment, but instead they try to push a proprietary system just so they can rake in a premium on adapters?! That is what has no place in tech!
IEMs = In Ear Monitor Earphones
You'll probably see a lot of musicians wearing them on live performance. The idea of IEM is to create a tight seal to isolate/reduce ambient noise.
I have nearly 90~98% isolation with Universal/Custom IEMs: Westone / Shures / JH. The fit is super comfy and the size factor is almost similar with apple earphone. These days more brands are introducing IEMs with better price point for the mass consumers. The price ranges from anything from less than hundreds to thousands depending on whether it's universal or custom mould to your ear cavity.
Noise cancelling Earphone simply doesn't justify in its size or price and isn't designed for the masses.
It's not superior..... You need a DAC..... Research DAC
You definitely have a point. While I don't think the headphone jack needs to be removed to improve the waterproofing of the phone, nor is it likely the reason it's being removed -- then there's absolutely no reason to remove it from the Plus/Pro iPhone model. Just like there's no reason to remove it from the iPad, and most likely the MBP. So I would not be surprised to see it remain in the Flagship iPhone, at least until it actually needs to be removed. That allows Apple to sell the headphone jack with the very latest technology for a premium if people still insist on it. And this keeps Apple customers in the fold another year, until the competition all start dropping their headphone jacks too.
You mean the way you can buy a good USBc headphone and plug it into 99% of the computers in the world without an adapter? Because you can't do that either.
Whether Lightning or USBc, the world will be using adapters with their computers, phones and tablets for many years to come, unless they go wireless. So I'd just rather not have to throw out the hundreds of dollars worth of Lightning cables and accessories just to switch to a new "standard", which is still going to require adapters for many years to be compatible with everything I might possibly want to use them with.
USB-C is a much better connector than Mini-B and Micro-B which it is starting to replace. However, I don't think it is as good as lightning, at least not for portable devices like iPhone/iPad. Evidently Apple feels the same too.
You may not have a lot of options for "good" lightning headphones right now, but that will change pretty much overnight if the iPhone drops the 3.5mm output. Companies like Bose that have removable cords will come out with replacement cords with a lightning plug on the end, other companies will release headphones with built in lightning etc. Tons of aftermarket companies will make similar cords, etc. We are already starting to see some lightning headphones, some USB-C headphones etc. and that is without the companies having to do it in order to get sales. They are doing it because they evidently think there is advantages to it.
Just like when the 30 pin was dropped for lightning, adaptors and aftermarket lightning products showed up very quickly. The iPhone is a huge market that companies do not ignore easily.
There was no "reason" to remove USB-A from the Macbook. USB 3 works just fine with a USB-A connector. However the USB-C connector is smaller, simpler, has more features etc so Apple decided to switch to it. Same thing with 3.5mm. There is no "reason" it has to be removed. But if Apple feels like removing it allows them to add more speakers, battery, etc, and lightning is smaller, simpler, and has more features then why not do it?
Last edited:
Because it obsoletes tons of perfectly good hardware with little if any benefit. And no, we don't know that it's likely that they'll include an adapter in the box. Nor do I agree with your speculation that most people use wireless earphones these days.
Yes, I have. Although assumptions based on "But everyone I know!" tend to be worthless.
No it's not. It's entirely possible for audio via the lightning interface to sound worse. It requires an extra DAC, and there's no guarantee that devices won't use one that sounds worse than the one in the phone.
Except the other ones you forgot. Doesn't need charging, doesn't need external DAC so it's simpler and cheaper. And being the legacy standard is a hell of an advantage, particularly since there is no real advantage to a new wired standard. You say there are advantages but failed to list any.
No it isn't. Sound quality is up to the DAC and the equipment involved. Lightning could sound better, worse, or exactly the same. And audio over 3.5 can be improved to sound as good as anything else available.
[doublepost=1468612432][/doublepost]
Except that the floppy was replaced by something that was actually better. This one is a step backwards.
Or you could just stop ignoring the legitimate complaints instead of being a mindless sycophant. Ironic that your post is the perfect example of religious devotion over practical real world use.
You guys are missing the fact that there are dual speaker grills which mean stereo sound/louder speaker output. Ill ditch the 55 year old head phone jack ANY day for that. Get a $30 adapter which won't be included and call it a day, this is an Apple iPhone, these types of feature deletes and enhancements are expected and much needed to move forward in tech.
Doesn't mean anything of the kind. There have been leaked photos that indicate the left side aren't even bored all the way through. And the eliminating the headphone jack does not reclaim nearly enough space to add a second speaker of any size enough to make a significant difference in volume.
Even if those leaks were real there is still a chance that it may be a "Plus" feature. End of the day i don't think anyone should be upset by losing old technology which is less and less used everyday.